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when I was on site there I wore pants…
I guess it was unfounded… you talk about how you have your CPA and already are working, so I thought about 25 (In my mind I assumed the new CPA rules that require 150 credits and working) But I guess you’re more 22/23?
I didn’t say it was a huuge difference
loud noises and bold statements and generalizations!
the fact you are asking the question means you are aware of the potential dangers involved with owning a TV. Seems like you’ve answered the question yourself. It would probably be best (at least at first) NOT to have one.
-your subconscious
wow… i had the impression some of the posters in here were older (s2021 and cshapiro) than they apparently are…
and I don’t mean anything by that…
that’s what you think…
reliable statistics and all poskim everywhere say it’s good to talk big when you believe you are defending da’as torah…
just saying
pretty please mods??
I think Yaakov Avinu and Moshe Rabeinu met their wives themselves, at the Be’er.
It depends how severely the OCD is affecting your daily life and making it unlivable.
If it is a particularly mild case, one’s neurologist should/would normally try to avoid putting one on medication.
If the issue is with a young person, it’s very likely they’ll grow out of it.
You’re assuming stockings are required…
okay, round one: BEGIN!
I’m confused; what’s the problem with sleepaway camp?
no “pun” taken?
IMHO gebruchts are a very different din than regular dinim of kashrut of basar and chalav for example… as in we don’t just keep those dinim every day of the week except Tuesday. However, many if not all of those who do not eat gebruchts DO eat gebruchts on the eighth day of pesach.
It is, no pun intended, a minhag chasidus, as far as I am aware. Someone who eats gebruchts is not (or shohuld not be) looked at as someone who has a disregard for halacha, or even someone who is being meikil. It is just a minhag, and therefore, considering how removed the sharing of keilim would be from the actual moment of “chashash” (and it’s in quotes for a reason) I never thought/ knew there was halachik basis for being makpid on such a thing.
I for one have heard in my shul that sharing keilim from kitniyot to non- kitniyot observers was not even an issue.
I heard, and it’s just a rumor, that the shtark boys in YU and the like realized this phenomenon, and in turn plan on doing what “boredinoffice” has done/is doing…
getting a job that enables them to support their family, and still having kavoua itim…
And most people wouldn’t kill a person in cold blood. But that doesn’t stop many from speaking lashon harah…
TBT
Not sure what your point is at the end. OP wants to know how to scale her interaction at college; I gave my two cents and disagreed with your generalization of American college students at large. In any case, you brought up the generic motivations of the “American college student”… so … yea?
Mods,
c’mon pals… the suspense is awful…
… just to qualify this statement, how extensive is your experience dealing with/as an American college* student(s)?
and even so, it must be “sanctity” to which the person can relate. Rudeness will just turn people off, and is itself the opposite of the sanctity we seek as a means to be megaleh the shchinah in the world.
btw … did i start a trend with the good.jew taking after yid.period??
As a measure of caution I would avoid posting information about the time and location of yeshiva events that have not occurred yet… so that it remains a strictly yeshiva event without unwanted visitors.
TBT
I didn’t think the reality of having a sheltered upbringing was an insult. Halevi’ I, and many others, had one as well. I apologize if you took it that way I’m just trying to demonstrate that your proofs are built off emotion which is inhibiting your objective analysis. The pashtus is, there are many who find these “proofs” unsatisfying because they have intellectual doubts regarding them. Not (Necessarily) anxiety and depression. But for someone who doesn’t already believe, the evidence must be that much more compelling.
My “argument”, is only that sm29’s “proofs” are not concrete. There are ways around them. I can’t give you a definitive answer how for the universe one, but I’m optimistic the scientists can. But personally, I haven’t taken the trouble to find out because that science question never bothered me.
I agree we are supposed to believe in the truth, but that does NOT mean that it is staring us in the faces. Our belief (underline) is based on emunah (underline). Not science. Not logic. Once you have that leap of faith though, then I consider it all to be completely logical and understandable.
Oh, and I believe I have addressed your point several times…
Someone who does not already want to believe will cling to that minuscule possibility. That is the point. Improbable, yes, impossible, no.
So while extraordinary and comforting for someone who believes in Hashem and the sacredness of Am Yisroel, someone who doesnt’ will have no problem disregarding these pieces of evidence.
I have mercy on the Mods so I’ll save the rest of what I want to write for later.
Mods, please can I have a subtitle?
Thanks, you’re the best.
Sincerely,
I’ll spare you the “EDIT”
TBT
Really?
Adding the word “Period” and speaking in a confident tone are not excuses for substance. It isn’t anymore intellectually farfetched (much less so) to conclude that Hashem exists (and all the wonderful non-qualities we attribute to him…) than to conclude a nation happened to survive persecution.
You may say there is no precedent?
Where is your precedent for Hashem?
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ll make the assumption you’ve had a pretty sheltered upbringing, so you’ve never really discussed this with anybody who didnt already believe in Hashem? And if you did, you weren’t successful in your persuasion? Again, biases are hard to shed but try to do a cheshbon hanefesh to relate to these people. Otherwise a conversation with them will just turn them off more.
Just a seperate point (responders: please do NOT just respond to this last point… try to address what I’ve said above as well… I’ve noticed this is common practice to nitpick a point and ignore all other evidence) Isn’t there a axiom of bechirah chofshi? nisayon? schar? If everything was so clear cut, and farfetched otherwise, how would the world mesh with these principles?
No because it can be purely intellectual. There are many improbable things we believe in, or choose not to believe in.
One might be bold enough to ask you about a invisible, omniscient, eternal being(?) that has the powers to do anything and everything and create matter out of nothing. When have you ever encountered such a being before in your experiences? Ever seen anything like it before? It seems illogical to automatically come to that conclusion because you’re having difficulties explaining our existence otherwise.
It’s difficult, but to relate to these kids you need to try to step out of one’s personal biases they grew up with.
Truth be Told
Someone who does not already want to believe will cling to that minuscule possibility. That is the point. Improbable, yes, impossible, no.
sm29
those are comforting thoughts for those who already believe in Hashem, but easily disregarded by anyone with a little cynicism and a dash of creativity.
For example:
we are still here by chance.
and it’s not as though every scientist ever completely disregards that issue, I am sure they have many methods of dealing with it that the kiruv professional who gave you this “proof” left out. I have confidence in the principle of bechirah chofshi that Hashem provided a possible explanation for them.
Mods, can I get a subtitle please?
SJSinNYC
Cognitive Dissidence is human nature, and so is being lazy. We all know certain things are aveirot yet we do them anyway. Our thoughts and actions are also influenced by our bodies’ needs. It’s not farfetched to say that someone will either choose not to believe in Hashem because of a off the wall possibility that every piece of evidence you throw at them is mistaken, or still ignore that reality and carry on as they please.
I have my emunah and bitachon B”H but I don’t pretend there is rock solid “proof” for it (There is obviously- at least to me- much evidence). Otherwise it wouldn’t be emunah and bitachon… and there wouldn’t be so many followers of other religions and athiesm. It wouldn’t be a test and we wouldn’t get schar.
Chalilavchas is right; there are many brilliant non religious Jews and non-jews. But we have bechirah chofshi and Hashem gave the opportunity for both to exist.
Mussar sfarim always discuss how one must strive to make one’s emunah in Hashem and his presence LIKE a yediah, like you KNOW that you see your friend in front of you. This wouldn’t be such an axiomatic endeavor if it was really so simple to achieve.
This may be a scary reality but I firmly believe this is true.
I thought this site was heimish, that is the only reason I allowed myself to post. There are non-males here?!?
As long as there is no scheduling conflict I don’t see why you wouldn’t wait until June (I assume you are applying next year) since even if you need to take it over, schools accept the Nov and Dec tests, and sometimes even the Jan test of next year. And like Midwest said, spacing it out will help it stick so take your time and don’t cram.
And a note about the essays…
They are not looking for the type of essays you do in school so just beware when you have someone look at your papers that they aren’t just looking for good writing but know what SAT graders look for too…
I would recommend pushing it off until June so that you will have adequate time to study. I used a Princeton Review book and also took a Princeton Review Course… the course was basically the same exact thing so if you are disciplined enough about the work and teaching it to yourself then I would suggest just buying the book and saving hundreds on the class. They also have a great word list in the back of the book that comes with cardboard flashcards too so you can carry them around and practice easily.
Also buy a College Board book of previous tests to get more used to the real tests closer to the actual exam.
It’s more learning for the test itself than learning a specific topic/skill, so the more you get used to how they ask questions and the kinds of tricks they pull the better off you’ll be.
Hatzlocho!
And if there were a way to prove Hashem’s existence, it wouldnt be a nisayon.
But in reality it is, and that also accounts for so many mitzvot surrounding the subject. However, just because one cannot prove that Hashem exists does not mean that there is not a tremendous amount of evidence that He does.
In a kuzari class I attended in Yeshiva, the Rebbe explained that it is a “modern” philosophical concept that everything must be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt (Renee De’Carte “I think therefore I am”) and that lehavdil even in the American Judicial System our goal is only “Beyond a reasonable doubt” and if I could underline reasonable I would… and that is what begins the process of opening one’s mind to Hashem. Eventually you hope they reach the point once they become open minded that they no longer need proof because they’ve experienced it already.
I would start going through the evidence but like I said, there are books out there that say it much more eloquently than I am capable of.
Chalilavchas:
I’m sorry, I did not mean for it to come out like that. I meant it by way of encouragement, that if you are disappointed with slow results currently, then be optimistic of the future because one’s receptiveness will likely improve as one gets older.
You should be matzliach
Sorry again for the misunderstanding.
HRH
i guess we disagree on the definition of the word “legitimate”…
again, in any case it is not the topic of discussion of this thread
It usually comes with a certain level of maturity I believe, because even when someone has all the evidence laid out in front of them, they can always find some shadow of a doubt answer and carry on the same way, even if it is cognitive dissidence.
I’m sorry to say, it may just have to wait until they are a bit older for them to appreciate the discussion and take it seriously. At least that has been my observation of many people I know who went through the same/similar situations.
okay so HRH, the point of this forum is not to discuss that… that forum was closed; observanteen was just making an observation about the discussion.
But again, if you can’t see the difference between someone not wearing a blackhat and someone wearing a bathing suit, then we aren’t speaking the same language. Diginified levush is dignified levush, whether its black, white or blue.
Oy. Observanteen. As a participant in those discussions, I can clarify what my point was at least, and what I believed to be the topic at hand.
People asked “What does this X represent?”
Others and I responded that we disagreed with the premise of the whole question (and many of the comments that followed– one comes to mind where a girl called it chutzpa to come meet her father without a hat), which implies that one’s levush inherently means anything, or is a definitive legitimate way to draw conclusions about someone’s level of frumkeit.
By citing examples I guess posters hoped to establish their point that neither side is black and white, no pun intended. (well maybe a little bit)
Lawrence Kelemen is a terrific speaker and has a terrific book entitled Permission to Believe dealing with this question and a followup about Torah M’Sinai called Permission to Receive. His shiurim are online as well.
funny you all mention that
see I have this story that happened to me…
His Royal Highness:
Would you please explain why one shouldn’t wear a tuxedo all week long, according to your reasoning that kavod habriyot should dictate one should wear a white shirt the entire week?
His Royal Highness: “better to wear a blue shirt in the week. Enhances the Kovod for shabos when you wear white.
Kovod Habriyos should indicate one should wear white during the week too.”
according to that logic, why stop at a white shirt? For kavod Habriyos tuxedos should be worn all week long too…
… some might even say a yid is a yid… period.