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No Im not. I know what went on there and I know what goes on there. Im a young guy who was there recently and I have a sibling who was there recently and I know too many horror stories.
The problem with Israel is that its like Europe. Anyone can go into a bar or club and get a drink, theres no id business. You need a birth certificate to buy cigarettes. If youre a teenager they will definitely sell you alcohol.
“I know a guy whose parents heard a terrible report and were about to pull him home until their Rov insisted they check with the yshiva. The R”Y said while you may have heard truth he’s on the precipice of change.
They left him and today he is a Rebbi.”
Wow should I clap? For every Rebbi that came out of such circumstances theres who knows how many kids that could have been saved but instead were allowed to fall all the way down!
You can hire a Zonah for a few shekel in Israel, believe me I was told by people who “been there done that.”
You think a drunk or not 100% sober 19-21 year old boy who has never been with a girl will say no when she comes on to him and tells him for only x amount of shekel…?
You dont know how many boys cant wait to get to Israel and be away from their parents control and supervision. Then they go wild. You are being extremely naive and foolish if you think what Im saying isnt the way it is. You should maybe have a talk with some “cool” yeshiva guys who just got back from Israel. Your ears will burn up from what they tell you.
americaisover
“Jews need money since tuition, food and housing is so high and we have politicians that care about Gaza more than BP or Flatbush”
Also because we want Bugaboos, Designer clothing, ridiculous weddings….
Sacrilege
Tznius is a way of life. Its a way of “being.” Its how you walk talk act and live your life.
Additionally, when Jewish girls are dressed head to toe in designer I dont think that gets frum women any admiration. Unless you mean from the non Jewish male population…
You can dress well w/o looking shlumpy and frumpy and without being designer from head to heel
Lechem Mishnah and whatever the shul provides that week.
WolfishMusings
“But I don’t think frum Jews are any more or less showy with their wealth than the population at large.”
Where do you live?! You obviously dont live in Brooklyn, Five Towns or Lakewood!
ramateshkolian
You have to look no further than the headlines in the news about frum Jews and even Rabbis what they have done for money to know how out of hand things have gotten.
I agree with you but its not going to change. The main issue is spiritual emptiness. People try to fill it up with money, clothing, Kavod, popularity….the list goes on.
Its all an expression of inner emptiness. Marbeh nechasim marbeh daygah.
real-brisker
“fief -yes the way daf yomi is done these days its worthless in contrast to bieyun. R` Meir Shapiro did not institute daf yomi for the yeshivah system, rather for the bal habus system.”
Exactly, because he had a Yeshivah for Bachurim called Chachmei Lublin. The entrance Farher was memorizing 200 Daf Gemorah Baal Peh. I guess standards were a little higher then…..
BP Totty
Oh Im feeling the pressure. A lot is riding on this lol 🙂
BP Totty
Im Maskim that its a Miut but the # of casualties are not acceptable. I think part of the issue is the age one sends their child to Israel or specifically the boys because the girls usually all go post 12th grade. Some people send their boys at 17-18 when they are post high school and very vulnerable to negative influences and will get drunk on the freedom and go crazy. If a boy goes at that age he needs to be under supervision be it a the yeshivah keeping close tabs or someone else…
Yes BP Totty, if you hear confirmed reports that your kid is up to no good, as a father you have a responsibility to yank him home so fast it will give him friction burns. You should not leave him there in the status quo. If you think you have a good plan of fixing the problem there (by getting his Rebbe involved…whatever) fine. But most guys once involved in “stuff” are just headed down hill.
Israel for many boys is like Vegas. What happened in Israel stays in Israel. Yet in reality people do know and word gets around…
As for me, I was no Tzaddik but Baruch Hashem I became close to my Rebbie and he helped me immensely.
Just due your due diligence before sending your son and make sure he doesnt get into a bad Dira. If you room with bad guys you are toast.
frumladygit
You meant WIY but its ok lol.
squeak
Yeah I guess Quantico makes more sense. I think it really means Man of Quality. Ooh I bet he likes that one lol!
Princess Razal
From http://www.mikvah.org/article/the_three_mitzvot_of_the_woman
As a woman, the potential giver of life, you hold the power to elevate your home and family from the physically mundane to the spiritually sublime. The adherence to the Laws of Family Sanctity and Mikvah give you the opportunity
to invite G-d into the most intimate area of your life, bringing G-dliness to every aspect of your lives and impacting the soul of any child conceived. Your observance brings holiness and blessing, not only to your most physical self, but sanctifies your entire family and your entire home. Immersion in the mikvah is a Biblical commandment of the highest ordinance.
The Jewish marriage sanctifies husband and wife. Taharat Hamishpacha (Family Sanctity) observance introduces times of intimate separation and reunion as part of a cycle in married life. Separation begins with the onset of the menstrual flow. It is a time when the depth of the husband-wife relationship is expressed without physical intimacy. It is a period of anticipation and preparation for mikvah immersion. The reunion which follows holds the highest potentialfor sanctity in marriage.
I watched the video and Im very impressed with Prime Minister Harper. He seems to be a very sincere person and a mentsch. What a contrast to our Commander in Chief.
Im pretty sure MOQ stands for “Mercenaries of Quan”
real-brisker
I have learned both Iyun and Bekius and I know plenty of Daf Yomi Yidden that can wipe the floor with Kollel Yungerleit. Many Kollel Yungerleit know a few daf in a few mesechtos Beiyun. Thats am haaratzus.
A few years back Rav Shmuel Berenbaum ZTVKL spoke at Lakewood and told the Oilum they are Oiver on Bittul Torah for going so slow. They all scoffed at him. You think anyone took him seriously? Theres a reason why we arent producing American Gedolim.
In the Mir Yeshiva in Europe pre and during WW2 they covered serious ground and learned Beiyun. They also did Chazara. It was not uncommon for the same daf to be reviewed 10-20 or more times. Today try to get someone to review something 3 or 4 times. Its so hard…
BP Totty
Firstly, I may be nuts but that has no bearing on the topic at hand.
I was in Israel learning a few years back. I know what goes on there, and as bad as I thought it was, a friend of mine who is involved with Kiruv and knows everybody told me that the situation is insane.
There are a lot of boys that do really low things in Israel. Even if its not the actual “maaseh” they go to dance clubs bars and other types of “clubs.” On any night of the week you can find Yeshivah Bachurim in Ben Yehuda up to who knows what. There are Yeshiva guys in almost every bar, internet cafe (watching movies, porn whatever…Its really out of control.
BP Totty there was a story not so long ago that a Dira in a certain Yeshivah had girl Dira mates. No Im not kidding there were guys and girls renting the same apartment. I dont need to paint the picture of what went on in that place. Supposedly one of teh guys married her so theres a bittersweet ending. But just know, the garbage that goes on is out of control. Most boys arent mature enough to handle the freedom and with money comes all kinds of problems.
There were Diras that were known gambling parlors. The guys stayed up all night playing poker. There was a Dira across the street from mine that had a huge 42″ TV in the dira, full internet access you name it…Im sure these things still go on as its been a few years since I was there and things tend to get worse not better.
If you send your son to Israel, send him to a Yeshivah that will keep an eye on him and if necessary pay for an older Chavrusa like a Kolel Yungerman to keep an eye on him.
100’s if not 1000’s of boys and girls were ruined in Israel because their parents gave them too much money and too much freedom.
BP Totty, I wish I was making this up. I WISH WITH ALL MY HEART
BP Totty
I was just thinking, you might really like the Shmuz. I think he may be up your alley. He has spoken on many topics and has a very interesting perspective on things. Let me know what you think.
Poppa
Whatcha gonna do with an Ak-47?
Opposite sex is the same as opposite gender no?
Not I
I am for both Iyun and Bekius. Both are necessary. However learning a few Blatt an entire winter zman produces zilch. You think you know 2-3. Blatt cold, what you don’t know is that half the questions you had and spent your day trying to figure out and half of your “chiddushim” and “mehalchim” are Gemoras later on in the Mesechta. Its impossible to really learn Iyun without Bekiyus. I had a Rebbi in Beis Medrash who said that technically we should really have learned minimum the first 40 Blatt of the Mesechta during the previous Bein Hazmanim so that when the zman comes we can learn real Iyun. What people call Iyun today is…I don’t even know what to call it. I have spoken to Bochurim who after an entire zman learning Kodshim don’t even know what Pigul is!!!! I don’t care how many Brisker Ravs you read through you wasted your time!
People don’t know the basics and want to jump into Iyun and Lomdus. Its one of those situations where one isn’t sure if they should laugh or cry. The system in yeshivos and Bais Medrashim is broken. Guys aren’t moving forward, at most they are like someone treading water. They are expending a lot of effort but going nowhere.
Yes you want the following website. Watch the video on the homepage in English or Hebrew whichever language you prefer. Then try out some of his other fascinating shiurim especially the debate between himself and a Christian Priest. He destroys the guy!
Popa
If parents were more tight fisted with their boys in Israel, we wouldn’t have “yeshiva” guys hanging out in Eilat with zonas.
Woman outside Brooklyn
The music of 2010 is filthy. Its really crude. Its all about “filth” and uses lots of vulgarity. A parent can’t allow their child to pollute their neshama with such filth.
My personal opinion on this is that a boy has to earn, yes I said earn the right to sit in Kollel be it for 1 year, 3 years 5 years or more. If a boy is not serious about learning before he is married he doesn’t belong in Kollel.
Now once someone is in Kollel I think they should have to continue earning the right to be there by
1. Proper attendance. Sounds silly but at work they “take attendance” and late coming isn’t excused unless you have a darn good reason!!!
2. There needs to be a goal yeah a goal! Meaning finish x amount of Gemara a zman, x amount of Halacha…this baloney of learning 2 blatt a zman in Lakewood must stop already. We are mass producing am haaratzim. The average baal habayis finishes shas in daf yomi. The average Kollel guy doesn’t finish a mesechta in all his years in Kollel! (Don’t start with quality vs quantity, Rav Shach Rav Gifter and others railed about the system years ago, it fell on deaf ears)
3. Accountability. There needs to be Bechinos. There should be regular testing going on and people need to be able to maintain a certain grade to stay in Kollel. If you are learning and getting nowhere you have no business in Kollel. Any guy who is serious about his learning should know it decently well at a minimum!
4. There should be special Kollelim for Metzuyanim geared towards producing serious Talmidei Chachamim and Gedolim. I mean guys who are very intelligent and diligent who are prepared to become Rabbanim. This sit and learn and go nowhere until I’m 80 years old has to stop. There are people who have been sitting and learning in Kollel for 45 or more years. Do they know Shas? Do they know one Seder in Shas? Do they know 1 Mesechta COLD? Do they know Poskim?
The current system is a joke and geared towards mediocrity and lack of accountability. We are mass producing lazy people that’s it.
If the above things I mentioned are implemented more than half the people in Kollel would be out. Then there would be more money to pay them what they truly deserve and those who want to learn as Baal Habatim will find the time to learn.
We need to get serious about this.
Chad pami
Yes Rabbi YY mentioned that story in a few of his shiurim, he and Rabbi Rietti are very close friends.
They are both incredible people and incredible speakers.
Sacrilege
Tzahal sweatshirt? Are you a rebel without a cause?
Ima
I know, I have it and am about 1/2 way through. Great book!
I have no problem with the beefed up security as long as they check everybody equally not just young kids and old ladies. Yes I expect every muslim to be checked just as thoroughly as everyone else.
lechatchilah
“Wow! I would never have thought that this could actually be a discussion. There is no way to justify learning a sefer during the Rav’s speach (ESPECIALLY IF HE IS WITHIN EYESIGHT)! If a person feels he is not going to gain anything, Torah-wise, by listening he should listen anyways and thus gain tremendously in the realm of middos.”
Very well said!
BPTotty
Yes the Nega Oneg vort is amazing it really hit the message home for me as well.
He has a number of shiurim available through his page on Torahanytime.com. Check our Rabbi Rietti as well if you like English accents lol. He is also a great speaker.
Theprof1
True all Torah is worth listening to. But there are good speakers and better speakers there’s no denying that.
Rabbi YY is up there.
yswo
Is this the organization? Give them a call and see what you can gather, see if they sound “fishy.” Ask them what this weeks parsha is or something like that…
Refuah Yeshua
1469 42nd St
Brooklyn, NY 11219
Phone : (718) 436-0666
Or this one
Refuah Yeshua To Send a Kvitel or say Tehilim, light candles – by kivrei tzadikim – Monroe, Monsey, NJ, new square – contact us at: 347-542-7020
oomis1105
“As long as some people here think that watching carefully selected TV is worse than being a parasite, pushing your parents beyond their limits to continue to support you when you have a wife and children to take care of, while you sit in the comfort of the Beis Medrash having the pleasure of learning all day, while your wife does HER job AND yours… I am afraid not.”
The immediate problem that jumps out at me when reading your post is the fact that you made a mishmash of everything. You cant compare apples to oranges or oranges to peas! There are things that are wrong and things that are right but its extremely difficult to say whats worse than what unless the Torah explicitly tells us what sin…is worse than another.
Most of what you wrote is your opinion or the opinion of others. Yes guys not working when they should be is a huge problem, is that equal to watching TV? I dont see how one compares the 2. There are different categories lets keep things where they belong and not confuse ourselves by mixing and matching things that dont go together.
movingmountains
Appreciating the sun- mutar and appripriate
Bowing to the sun, worshipping the sun, or ascribing independent mystical powers to the sun- assur as avodah zara.
We must be careful to realize that anything in the universe that has any kind of power or force comes from Hashem and Hashem is the one who put that power and force into nature and it is His Will that allows it to continue to exist. If for one nanosecond Hashem stop willing things to exist the world would go back to Tohu Vavohu.
Donna Karan
Anne Klein
Calvin Klein
Michael Kors
Sonia Rykiel
Max Azria
Kenneth Cole
Alexander Julian
Zac Posen
Sacrilege
“parent their child”
Thats rather vague and open to interpretation dont you think?
Moq
If you truly intend to leave for good, then I give you a Bracha that you should be Matzliach in all that you do and you should be zoche that all your actions should be lsheim shomayim and should be a nachas ruach to the Ribono She’ll Oilum. Aleh Vhazlach!
BP Totty
Yes I posted it. Thank you for letting me know and giving me the Nachas that you enjoyed. People don’t realize I don’t just post “Ahbi.” He is a phenomenal speaker. All his shiurim are “must listen to” at least that’s how I feel.
I will revive that thread.
dunno
Actually a number of famous clothing designers are Jewish.
Sacrilege
“After catching you making up a couple of halachos…. not likely ;)”
Thats not fair I retracted that one! I have no problem admitting it when I am wrong. 🙂
I cant make you do what you dont want to do but I am just informing you that it is a Chiyuv for you to Daven Mincha and it would probably add much needed spiritual content to your day and make it more meaningful. It seems like you are on a path of change and I just think that this can be a real boost in helping you along that path. Dont underestimate the power of a sincere Tefillah. The harder it is for you to do it the more it will mean to you and to Hashem.
Sacrilege
I hope you spoke to a Rav about Mincha or are willing to take my word for it.
You can only gain from setting aside those extra few minutes to connect with Hashem.
You mean his Cd’s? Judaica stores like Eichlers….
Or online at Mostlymusic.com you can even listen to previews and download it.
Mod-80
Thanks for saving me the time of hunting that down lol. It boggles the mind that people believe these silly chain emails that get sent around. Obviously the saying a sucker is born every minute has truth to it…
Deiye
Ouch! Lol.
Moq
Please don’t go you are one of the remaining voices of reason and knowledge in the place. It will not be the same without you.
Why are you going?
Sacrilege
Your cousin is obviously not being a mentsch and taking hasmmada to an extreme at the cost of his middos.
He should at least make some effort to talk to his zeidie and be helpful. Certainly, if he is sitting at the dais it is a chutzpah to read a sefer while others are speaking.
You are correct.