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google it. Thats what I did when asked to say it with someone. (The short version is one line “tehei mesasis kaparha al kol avanosai” if possible there is a longer paragraph that begins “modeh ani.” If possible the same vidui as yom kippur is said)

Besuros Tovos and Gemar chasima Tova

Lior Your concert example is silly.

I’m fairly certain you would leave a concert in the middle if half the audience was allowed on stage to participate and join in the concert while you were told you can stand on chair and peer through at everybody else through a partition. No ammount of convincing you that you are more special than the others thats why you dont need to participate in the concert would convince you to stay.

I’m not saying you’re worng, just that your comparison is silly

DY i define it that way too

DY “I didnt mean intend to offend developmentally delayed people.

What did you mean by “intend”?”

All I meant was what Randomex said.

That being said, it could alos be understood the way you seem to have understood that I am not accusing anypne of INTENDING to insult the developmentaly delayed. They are however (generally speaking) insulted by usage of the term even if the intent is not to offend THEM

DY “I honestly don’t think they’re reading the CR. Their families might be, but if they’re normal (i.e. not hypersensitive), they shouldn’t be offended, as catch yourself said.”

I dont think you get to decide what should and shouln’t offend a large number of people.

When my moniker was used s a synonym for “retarded” as in any body who disagrees with that poster is “retarded (=) developmentally delayed, … (=) idiotic, (=) dolty, (=) ubiquitin-ey, (=) asinine, (=) insane,(=) bi-polar, (=)depressed, …” I was hurt . (The first time was funny, but then repeated three times in one post, hurt a little, I have sinceforgiven I am just using it to illustarte my point. Having your name used as a put down to others and as a synonym for “idiotic” doesnt feel good. It is not hard to understand why those with a condition are offended when their (or their family member’s) condition is used to insult others as a synonym for “idiotic.”

And again it doesnt matter, if they find it offensive then just don’t use it (if you want to be percived as polite) Whether or not they are being hypersensitve.

Popa, Do poor people take offense at the term “polite society”?

Can you provide a source (that they take offense, I have nevr heard that. (In fact when I used the term I included many polite poor poeople)

Akuperma lots of translation s are imperfect.

And of course in hebrew they dont have these “sensitivities” they simply use the hebrew word for rape. We have decided rape is improper .there is no inherent logic, in some circles it is not yhat watway as in popas elementary school.

Ask a developmentaly delayed person or their family if they

Mind the word retarted. They are the ones being offended not me

DY as to your question “So why can’t popa and I use the “R” word?”

you can but it is considered offensive.

Polite society has deemed the word not-refined/insensitive.

Why when learning Kesubas can I say “Me’anes” but not the English equivalant. We a a society have arbitrary decided that in polite-yeshivish society we don’t use the English equivalent.

Veltz and when people find “developmentaly delayed” offensive it too will be offensive.

Sensibilities change all the time the n word was once acceptable as was oriental, tbings change sensibilities change. If you dont care and want to use a word that those involved find offensive by all means do so. If you want to he sensitive avoid using words they find offensive. I dont get the debate.

Are we discussing if they find the word offensive?

Are we really discussing if we should avoid a word that developmentaly delayed people find offensive?

And popa thanks for proving my point

It is offensive because people who are developmentally delayed (and their families) find it offensive. If deaf people found the term “deaf” offensive then it would too would be offensive.

I don’t know why people have trouble with this. similarly If native Americans find the term “redskin” offensive then it is offensive it doesnt matter how long the term has been used. You don’t have to care you are free to use offensive terms such as retarded and redskins, but we dont get to dictate what should and shouldn’t offend people. If they are offended then by definition it is offensive, whether or not the person using the term meant nay offense.

Watch the good Doctor’s bait and switch :”Anecdotal evidence suggests that most single men in the various circles of Orthodox Jewry today have long lists of potential shidduchim and continuous dating opportunities. At the same time, many single women struggle with short lists and relatively infrequent dating.”

He then switches to a discussion regarding matching which is 1:1. Dating however is not 1:1. a guy generally dates more than one girl before he gets married. Thus while the rest of his piece is intersting it, in no way explains the problem he introduced in the opening paragraph

(DY I know you know this already I’m just sharing for some of the newcomers)

DY i can identify the “other factors”

It is becasue we have a system where we expect a couple to develop a relatonship prior to mariage, yet make it exceedingly diffcult for the two to actually meet in an attempt to start a relationship.

The above was not the case 40 years ago, nor is it the case among chasidim. THAT is the real casue of the crises.

Anything that will get more people going out, get girls more dates, eliminate the amount of hoops people jump through to get a couple to just meet and essentially begin the process, will help resolve the process. (or conversely setting them up and just have them amrry and develop a relationship later)

Continuing the process we have now but with a closer age will do NOTHING to resolve the real issues.

Squeak, im inclined to agree,

However i’ll bet unless ALL boys are marrying girls closer to their age (Something whihc can obviously never happen) the “age gap” TM proponets will still point to those few examples as the cause of the crises.

And DY, that is not true. That point i made then was never answered. I am hoping with some new faces here perhaps one of them can help. I wasnt asking you since you were stumped by it last year, I dont expect you to have an answer now. Thanks though

Takah mamash, now this will really blow your mind

There is actually more than one C”Y ice cream store!!

(unless you mean youve had them all, in which gcase, grewta news there is non-chalv yisroel ice cream too)

147 how on earth did you arrive at that conclusion?

Maybe it means we consider ourselves more indecisive than people in TeNach and can’t settle on one name so we choose two.

Or it means we have family members who would be more insulted than poeple in Tenach if “their” name is given so people choose two

I cna think of a few other scenarios that are more logical than the one you came up with.

rwndk1 You are right Tzav is rare however it is not one of the 3 rarest (it is fourth).

It is read in a leap year when Pesach is shabbos or Sunday occurs about 13.9%. (In Yerushalyim it might be rarer)

Pinchas is less common (interestingly one year heh-ches-aleph has both at 3.9% this is one of the rarest calendar possibilities.

Jay, not quite.

For example Year zayin-ches-gimmel (last occurred 5757, will next occur 5784)is a leap year during which Pesach is tuesday and yet Pinchos is the first of the three weeks (as it usually is )and those the Haftorah for Pinchas is not read.

Pinchas is read before the three weeks when Shabbos hagadol is Metzorah (as opposed to Acherei)This occurs in leap years Years when R”H is Thursday.

You are right about Chu”l which is where I live so that is what I focussed on. In E”Y it is more common since in years when Acharon Shel PEsach is Shabbos They read Pinchas before the Three weeks

The rarest are: kedoshim, pinchas, and mikeitz. The exact frequency depends how you calculate are about 10% (less if you calculate based on how often they occur on tge tur’s 247 year cycle, however as meforshim point out this cycle isnt perfect.)

Tazria us closer to 16%. Vayakhel is rare as well, however this haftora is also for second shabbos chanuka so it is not quite as infrequent as would be.

Being Real, of course you are right. Several other ideas have been suggested as well over the years.

The problem is that as a very conservative commuminty every body is afraid of doing soemthing dfiferent. This goes for the leadership as well.

With years of talk about “shiduch crises” the big solution that has bee proposed is to have boys date girls closer in age, as if this small silly issue even addresses the real issues. (As an aside it hardly seems like a crises if the entire solution is to encourage more pople to do what many have already been doing)

However what it does do is gives people the ability to say “See we are doing something, lets hold off any good ideas until we see if this helps”

Nope oomis, that was all me.

Please don’t let that distract from the crux of my point though.

In fact perhaps it can add:

I cant just reply well “It depends on how you perceive the fifth and sixth letters of the word” Spelling, like math, has rules. and “percieve” is simply wrong; much as any response other than 14 is simply wrong as a solution to the OP’s problem.

To b, the gemara in a few places goes through criteria for saying hallel on a nes. One of them is a bes in e”y.

simcha rethink this sentence

“The old shtender was worth $10 but there is no market for old shtenders”

There is either no market or it is worth $10 it cant be both

Frogggie, i dont think you know what an opne letter is

BY maidel

I am not saying the information is useless. All I (and health) are saying is that the reason why (some) med schools require say organic chemistry and physics is, as one admissions officer told me “To separate the men from the boys” (All were doctors though only two were physicians the other was a PHD)It is not necessary for med school and even less necessary for medicine

FFG I did speak to addmisions officers All three said it was just measure iteligence.

Bis yakov maidel

You can pick up what you need to know in med school. You cite a few examples barely any of which are valid (Eg the average physician does not need to know how an MRI works nor does he/she)and Besides those can be taught in med school. It doesnt help the orthopedst much that he learnt young’s modulus at least 5 years prior to becoming an orthopedist. By the time it would become relevant it has long been forgotten. Ditto for your ophthalmologist example.

Even half of what you study the first year has zero real world application and will never be revisted by the average physician once step one is behind you.(think memorizing steps in Krebs cycle)

I happen to think those subjects are important in of themselves. But they have little to no application in the understanding or practice of real world medicine