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Daas, actually I do.
HaLeiViParticipantAs Ramat said, the best thing you can do, is to learn with him. Keep up the contact with him. I don’t think a regular supper comes close to a Shabbos meal, but it can be helpful just to keep up with him. It is important for him to be invited for Shabbos meals. Therefore, you can contact some nearby organisation.
HaLeiViParticipantYou aren’t swearing to anyone or anything.
HaLeiViParticipantI’d suggest another reading into Rashi’s words:
The gentile was asking for the rule that sums up the whole Torah. What he was thinking was that there is an underlying rule that once you know that, everything else is understood by itself. In reality there is no such thing. When you give a child five rules about something, they can often be consolidated into one idea, to an adult. The Torah comes from a “place” much higher than any Malach can perceive. How can you expect to be able to give one concept that would de-necessitate the whole Torah?
When you look at the rest of that Gemara, you see a few stories of how people came with certain assumptions about the Torah and Mitzvos. In all instances, Shamai didn’t accept them because they had the wrong notion of what Yiddishkeit is all about. Hillel, knowing that once they are exposed to the Torah in a real way they’ll come around, tricked them by having them think that he’s accepting them on their terms. Once, they integrated, they understood what their mistake was, in a way that would never have been possible before they became fully learned.
Here too, Shamai sent him packing for there is no such thing as giving the essence of the whole Torah in one sentence, when we still havn’t got to the bottom of it all these years. Hillel, on the other hand, played the same trick as in the other stories. He answered something that was mostly true and told him that he must learn through the Torah just to know how to apply this rule. Obviously, once he heard and liked what Hillel told him, he started learning Torah, and realized on his own how far from reality he was when starting out.
HaLeiViParticipantLomed,
That Pshat is mentioned by Meforshim. It does explain well Hillel’s words. That Pshat is the meaning of Rabbi Akiva’s words that you quoted in our other discussion.
I think your Rubo Kekulo Terutz is the way Rashi has to be read. So thanks for that. It still is somewhat unsettling that he gave an answer which doesn’t really sum up the whole Torah, unless you use the other Pshatim as a fall back. Meaning, he answered an answer which is technically true, while the main message he was giving over was only mostly true.
HaLeiViParticipantAs the story goes, an American guy asks an Israeli, Ma Shaa? To which the Israeli tells him, Ein Li Mussag. He goes on, until he meets another Israeli, who asks him, Ma Shaa? Having learned a new word, he replies, Hamussag Sheli Shavur.
HaLeiViParticipantDid you try running a fan or getting a white noise machine? You can, for one night, install a mega woofer speaker in your ceiling and explain to them what it means to be disturbed by noise.
HaLeiViParticipantAs far as I know, no one says Koytel. Unless, perhaps, he became a Sphardi in middle of the word.
HaLeiViParticipantDerech,
That fits very well with the Rashi’s first interpretation . The second explanation, though, is that Hillel is referring to Bein Adam Lachaveiro alone.
HaLeiViParticipanthudi,
On my phone, I can’t read or write Hebrew. Now that I’m by a computer, here is the Gemara with Rashi.
Gemara:
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Rashi:
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Mod: If possible, please add “dir=rtl” into the blockquote tag.
HaLeiViParticipantDiscussing other people’s discussions is an idea, thing or people?
HaLeiViParticipantMDG,
If you see someone crying, something is wrong in his life; or he has hiccups and his eyes are tearing. If your computer pops up a message that you got an email, you got an email; or there’s a bug. If you behave a certain way to a person, they will respond in kind; or the person has a real defect.
In other words, don’t condemn a book that is talking to regular people, not cases.
HaLeiViParticipantWaste it
HaLeiViParticipantPopa, so you’re a Yora Yora Dr Dr.
HaLeiViParticipantIf you want to know the reason, it is because basically, three or four cars get to go through a green light. When you have to get someplace, it really plays with your nerves when you must stop every six feet. This is not an excuse, but it is a reason.
Also, if the car can’t turn he will have to wait another half a minute till he can think of trying again, while a pedestrian only has to wait till that car turns. I rarely get stuck when walking because of turning cars, and I totally understand those who turn right in front of me. It is usually at most 4 cars. There is ample time to cross.
HaLeiViParticipantMod80, I suspected that you were mosherose, remember?
HaLeiViParticipantPerhaps the reason it is most often the mothers (per your word) is because most often the mother gets the children, and has more of a chance to do so.
HaLeiViParticipantI once heard of someone who said that when dating someone, you should think to yourself, is this the kind of person you want your children to hang out with every weekend.
February 15, 2011 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm in reply to: Bain Adam L'chaveiro Vs. Bain Adam L'makom #740756HaLeiViParticipantYou speak of Taamei Hamitzvos as if they are an afterthought sprinkled on top to add some spice. I told you that you seperate the simple meaning from the deeper ramification and you denied that. I’m not talking about Remazim or corelations. I’m talking of the deeper impact of these Mitzvos which entail an understanding of what a Yid is and what his money is and what boundary you are breaching by cheating. Deeper does not mean a Mashal. Nor does it mean a cute Remez. Did you ever hear a deep explanation to something you thought was simple? Was it something different or just deeper? Deep is a dimension other than length and width.
February 15, 2011 9:03 pm at 9:03 pm in reply to: Bain Adam L'chaveiro Vs. Bain Adam L'makom #740755HaLeiViParticipantIt’s one thing if you’d be busy with the Mitzvas Assei of Ve’ahavta Larei’acha. But your main point is that these Mitzvos are there for the same reason the Greeks preached them.
Ono’as Dvarim is not a De’oraisa, but I can agree that it’s not a good example because it would be a Lav She’ein Bo Maasa.
Hashavas Aveida is the Din, it is not a just another implementation of being a nice guy. In fact the laws of Hashavas Aveida contradict don’t follow through with the rules of being a nice guy. Chazal had to say that there is also the other, general, point of doing what is right, and we return even what wouldn’t have to be returned according to the Halacha.
Therefore, if it wouldn’t have been a Din Torah, it wouldn’t be written out in the Torah. It would have been one more thing we would do as part of Ve’asisa and Ve’ahavta.
HaLeiViParticipantThanks. You answered my question.
HaLeiViParticipantBy the way, this nap thing is a corruption the Shiur of drinking until you fall asleep from it. If you dance around, you get high. If you stay sitting, you get tired.
HaLeiViParticipantJust one point. Wait between drinks. When you take one after the other, they all hit at once. If you wait, you have a way of measuring if you’re running low or not.
Z K, Could I guess that “Talmidim” is a code word?
February 15, 2011 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm in reply to: Bain Adam L'chaveiro Vs. Bain Adam L'makom #740753HaLeiViParticipantListen, before deviating more from our own original statements, let’s restate our opinion and our understanding of each other’s:
You say, Bein Adam Lachaveiro Mitzvos are commanded to us because of the benefit they have to your friend or to society. You also agree that since Hashem wants us to do this, it is therefore a Bein Adam Lamakom. You also seem to add some mystical merit in it all.
I say, all that applies to behavior that is not mentioned in the Torah. What is in the Torah explicitly, is not merely a nice behavior. You don’t get Malkos for making fun of your friend but you do get Malkos for charging Ribbis. The purpose of Middos Tovos, too, is to be wholesome people that are able to be a dwelling for the Sh’china.
When we say, Derech Eretz Kadma Latorah, that is because it is preparing the person to be able to go to the next step. Derech Eretz Kadma Latorah is not talking about Mitzvos that are in the Torah, explicitly. These are real Mitzvos.
February 15, 2011 5:45 am at 5:45 am in reply to: Bain Adam L'chaveiro Vs. Bain Adam L'makom #740750HaLeiViParticipantKlughaussen! If someone erected an idol and then does Teshuva without taking it down, is it worth anything? If you don’t have your friends forgiveness you didn’t rectify the wrong you commited.
The thing here is that you seperate the simple understanding of why these things are important and the deeper understanding of why it is explicit in the Torah. The idea is that certain things are much deeper than meet the eye, that they are everlasting Aveiros. Other Bein Adam Lachaveiro that is not specified in the Torah is important in the general sense of being a Baal Middos Tovos and Ve’ahavta Larei’acha.
February 15, 2011 5:28 am at 5:28 am in reply to: Attn Techies: "Unable to find Adobe PDF resource files". #740668HaLeiViParticipantCheck the scheduler. Sometimes they set it to run a certain file.
If that doesn’t help, which it probably won’t, go to Start, Run. Type “msconfig”. You should have a dialog box pop up. Go to the tag labeled Services. There you should see a long list of programs that are running constantly on your computer. Look for an entry that says Adobe something, and uncheck its box.
Please advise if this helped.
February 15, 2011 1:23 am at 1:23 am in reply to: Attn Techies: "Unable to find Adobe PDF resource files". #740664HaLeiViParticipantIs this for an Adobe Writer or Reader?
HaLeiViParticipantYes, of course. It’s just that it’s usually not the case.
HaLeiViParticipantWhen my gas gauge broke, it took me three times until I learned when to fill up. The most amazing thing is that all three times happened when I started up the car. One of the times I backed up a bit in order to pull out and the car died. Not once did I get stuck in middle of a road. I was able to get gas at my own convenient pace. When it’s three times, it’s really hard not to feel Hashem’s watchful eye.
HaLeiViParticipantDaas,
That’s actually not as easy as it sounds. Most people either hold of Rabbeinu Tam’s definition of Shkia or they don’t. Some are Machmir on Shabbos not to do Melacha, but otherwise it’s usually not just a Chumra.
I do know of a reasoning that if you are Davenning along with those who are permissively Davenning, your Teffila can sort of hop along.
February 14, 2011 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm in reply to: Bain Adam L'chaveiro Vs. Bain Adam L'makom #740746HaLeiViParticipantIf you read between the spaces, you’ll notice that I wrote “explicitly in detail.” I wrote that in both posts. Those words mean that besides for the actual Mitzvos of Lo Saalim, Hashavas Aveida, Ribbis and Pe’ah, there is a general Mitzva to be kind, generous and righteous. Just as there is a general Mitzva to follow the Chachamim while the actual individual Derabanan’s are not considered De’oraisa, the same goes for Middos. We can use Torah for a guide of proper Middos but each individual Midda is not on the level of a real Mitzva, while being a Baal Middos Tovos, is a real Mitzva.
Now, I sense a real misunderstanding here. The deeper meaning in any Mitzva is not in contradiction to the simple understanding. It is the deeper understanding. So, like I said, Geneiva is much deeper than making someone unhappy, but greeting someone with a smile is just that, making someone happy. The difference between a Mitzva and not a Mitzva is Rechok Shamayim Ve’aretz, and the difference between those Mitzvos which happen to apply to your friend and those that don’t, is nothing at all (other than the means of rectifying a transgression).
February 14, 2011 7:44 am at 7:44 am in reply to: Bain Adam L'chaveiro Vs. Bain Adam L'makom #740740HaLeiViParticipantBein Adam Lachaveiro needs the person’s forgiveness because untill then you did not rectify the wrong you commited. It is one deeply penetrating wrong deed, not two.
Mitzvos Sichlios are those Mitzvos which happen to make sense in our perspective as well as Hashem’s. Non Jews are required to maintain law and order for the sake of this world. Societal requirements are self understood. We are also required to do what is right, but that is a separate concept from Gezeros Hashem. That is why Middos, although they are meant to be learned and gleamed from the Torah, are not mentioned explicitly in detail.
February 14, 2011 2:36 am at 2:36 am in reply to: Bain Adam L'chaveiro Vs. Bain Adam L'makom #740734HaLeiViParticipantWhat do you mean by two sets of Mitzvos? It says to eat in a Succah for seven days, and it says not to cross the boundary of your friend. They are both in the same Torah. However, Middos are not explicitly commanded in the Torah in specific form. That is because they are for our relationship with this world, whereas the Mitzvos are Amok Amok Mi Yimtza’enu. Ribbis is not dictated by human morals, and Geneiva is much worse than the fact that your friend is now unhappy.
We are required, of course, to be good people in every sense of the word, as it says, Ve’asisa Hayashar Ve’hatov. Therefore, regardless if a specific act is Assur or Muttar, we must act according to what is appropriate.
HaLeiViParticipantWe are not talking about necessary consulting. The problem is with yappeding to friends about what goes on at home. Besides, what’s good for bad situations is bad for good situations.
HaLeiViParticipantGoodyear, Canon, Lieber’s, Quill, Ner Mitzva
HaLeiViParticipantIt’s not so hard to follow Health’s advice. You can buy Lip Therapy.
HaLeiViParticipantIf you jump to conclusions you might land with your foot in your mouth.
HaLeiViParticipantOh, so that’s you, Goq?
Just kidding, by the way.
HaLeiViParticipantIs Letters To The Editor on every Heimishe newspaper also a chat room?
HaLeiViParticipantIf you expect surprises, you’re in for a surprise.
–Myself (Although, I did subsequently hear of something trying to bring out this point, but it took 5 lines and some back-references.)
HaLeiViParticipantIf you want to get anywhere in any relationship, don’t make fun of your relative. Not just to him or even to anyone else, but not to yourself, either. Don’t have yourself thinking or saying to yourself poisonous attitudes. What I wrote on the Middos thread applies here, too.
HaLeiViParticipantSanyo, Yamaha, Florsheim, Boeing, Little Tykes
HaLeiViParticipantShticky, pretty close, but I play the Nevel and it’s not on your list.
HaLeiViParticipantChevlei Moshiach and the Milchemes Gog and Magog are not the same thing. The first is the state of despair the world is in before his coming. The second is the nations of the world rebelling against Hashem and His Moshiach.
HaLeiViParticipantAnd then you’d have to give your credit card info.
HaLeiViParticipantThere’s nothing not Tzniusdik about asking a serious request.
HaLeiViParticipantHey, come to think of it…
HaLeiViParticipantCherry, I hope I don’t find out that way.
HaLeiViParticipantIn the Midbar, the Mann did not fall on Shabbos. Since, for many, it fell right near people’s door, what would be the problem? Some say that since it came to us in that spot, it is considered Makom Gedulo and it is therefore an Issur De’oraisa of Tolash to pick it up.
I must also mention that blinky’s point is very true. Also, salt can be put down before Shabbos, too.
HaLeiViParticipantOpera Mini shows you on each page how many kb it was. Your web requests in to their server. They pick it up, squash the images, and send it further. You save alot on data. None of the flash stuff come your way. If you turn off images it would make minimize it alot.
I find it vary usefull. I can’t even use the default browser. Opera loads much faster.
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