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Sorry to bust another bubble, but it was precisely the opposite. It were the Rebbes and the Rabbonim, who by and large discouraged or have outright forbidden leaving Europe, especially to the USA. Whether their reasons were good, or even absolutely correct, there is no point of lying and changing history, laying the blame on the Zionists. Even if the only aim of the latter was to make everyone irreligious and turn them into total reshaim, it were not the Zionists who chose to keep the Jews in Europe.
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Interestingly, whatever plans FDR may have had in 1948 remained with him in the netherworld. One does not need to dig into old letters and documents to avoid such glaring mistakes.
Also, do tell why the great Rebbes themselves ran from Hitler with forged papers and shaved faces, or hid in Polish barns. Were they not following their own advice to stay in Europe, or did the Zionists cause their demise?
tamazaball
What Starwolf has posted is very true. Many a viral illness has an accompanying bacterial infection. More than that, the viral one may significantly lower the body’s defenses, allowing an opportunistic bacterial infection to set in. Using common cold as an example – with stuffed nasal passages there is no adequite flushing of the sinuses and bacteria that always lives there starts to proliferate. Then, using post-nasal drip as a vehicle, it easily seeds the bronchial tree and can give someone a nasty case of bronchitis. THIS is why many physicians, especially if their patient has a history of such progressions, or of many bacterial bronchial and pulmonary infections, will prescribe AB therapy at once.
Others, unfortunately, are afraid to be sued if the illness deteriorates into a secondary infection, or are reluctant to lose a patient who clamors for antibiotics, and therefore give them right away, knowing that they are not needed. This has led to multiple-drug resistance in bacteria, along with not completing the required course of treatment once started.
As Starwolf pointed out, if your physician knows you well, he/she will make better choices in your regard. Obviously, personal experience of a given physician plays a major role. If doing something for some 30 years worked better than other means, it is likely to be adhered to. This tendency of any particular care provider can be found out by the word of mouth from the doctor’s other patients.
Josh
B’makom shenimtze…. Where it is acceptble, you can have the stripes as wide as a “turmus”. Also, according to most poskim, if it is not made of natural fibers, EVEN white shirts are acceptible.
Jothar
One more point, please. IF it is so supposedly holy even to the Hungarians, WHY, oh why, do so many of them prefer to speak “heimish” instead? Back in that place called the “heim”, where public antisemitism was rife, and the streets were strewn with manure, the Jews living there mostly spoke the Magyar tongue, and persist to use it to this day with nostalgia. Maybe it’s the nigun that makes it appear sweet?
In the Hungarian-tradition yeshivos in the USA they use Yiddish exclusively, true, and those who do so were raised by Hungarian speaking mothers, who, apparently, didn’t sing them Yiddish lullybies.
Polish chasidism is more pragmatic and moved toward Ivrit long ago. Who is left in the “Yiddish only” camp besides the Hungarians? If they feel so strongly about it, let them speak Yiddish even after Moshiach comes. It is a beautiful language, expressive and juicy. Yet, to insist to others that it has a kedeeshoo? Please, stick to the important issues, like rioting against the Tzionim Huaririm, and destroying the Medinoo Hatmayoo. Those vital causes will definitely win you more followers into the Yiddish-speaking camp. The only problem is the kind of followers those will be……
Jewess,
Give man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will drink beer for the rest of his life.
This very supposed ligitimacy of non-Kollel lyfestyle is being decried by none other than you, when you paste all those statements from gedolim that have, in THEIR time, forbidden college education. Any time someone tries to either point out that there were other great gedolim that disagreed, or that today people go to college to find a parnassa, and not to study Greek mythology for its own sake, YOU are the one who immediately pounces with yet more quotes, more stories, and more arguments to silence those who disagree.
Please, not everyone is cut out for Kollel, and most of those who ARE in Kollel will NOT become klei kodesh, and need to have a legitimate, clean way to make a living, not relying on handouts from the government or other Jews, and of those, MOST aren’t interested or capable of becoming computer programmers, even without having to move to India. Of the rest, most do not have a shver who will suddenly make them a manager of his business, and don’t wish to open yet another store selling gatkes or jewelry.
They still DO need a way to make a decent living, enabling them to pay s’char limud for their children, and not having to depend on glossily advertized tzedokos that so many detest. With Yeshiva trained minds, do you really expect them to become shoemakers or stock shelves in some tiny frum grocery? THIS is why they go to college.
So, if you DO recognize the ligitimacy of other ways of making a living, without calling it a lifestyle, commend those who chose to have some schooling. And if you don’t, at least admit it.
Jewess, when the “milk scandal” broke out some 11 years ago, the sh’muah was that, according to a prominent posek in Boro Park, the green and blue milk was definitely kosher, and even the red wasn’t really red.
Kal Vachomer with stripes on shirts
Shaatra
Do you remember kosher Nathan’s in Midwood? It was overpriced, greasy and tasteless. Hot dogs don’t have cheese, yet, it was so not special that one visit sufficed.
Do not struggle with a hat and a jacket. Follow a similar situation in Chelm. Dress up in a polyester rekkel and a shtreimel for few weeks and afterwards you will be thrilled to wear a “hat and jacket” attire!
No, it simply means that until YOU have lived a life of a yungerman in Kollel, struggling with parnoso, having a tired, exhausted wife who ekes a living as a teacher and still cooks for you, does your laundry, and takes care of your children, all living in cramped appartment, YOU cannot preach Kollel to others, since many aren’t able to live like that.
It is not a question of hypocrisy, necessarily, but of being totally unaware from the inside of what it entails, what the consequences for the family may be, and how the yungerman himself will be able to make a living once he leaves the Kollel. Hypocrisy it may be not, naiive ignorance it surely is.
Lastly, if it were a commentary, idealistic as it may be, it may be excusable.
With all the mareh mekomos sited, unless one has been there, it is like discussing shchita with a vegetarian.
I don’t know….
When I was in high school, Philly boys, Long Beach boys, Ner Israel boys, Telz boys, all wore colored or striped shirts, and learned day and night, with passion and Ahavas Hatorah. Today we have all white clad bochurim, yet, the level of hasmada AND the quality of learning itself went down significantly. Sure, there is yeridas hadoros, but, when one starts focusing on the trappings, rather than on the core, those become more important. This attitude later pervades the shiduchim scene, as well. It is a sad state of affairs when one’s level of learning and piety can be “easily” determined by the color of his clothing, the width and tilt of his hat’s brim, and by how long and white his Rosh Yeshiva’s beard is.
You must have some sort of a job, enabling you to make a living. Why are you so unequivocal in advocating for an unknown young boy, who has no means of making a living after a stint in Beis Midrash or Kollel, to go learn without obtaining a high school diploma first? Unless this theoretical young man will choose to dwell in E”Y and learn forever, he will get married, somewhere in the USA, and will need to support a family. Are YOU going to carry the responsibility for feeding his children if he were to follow your advice?
Then change it; it’s simpler than pasting long comments
Don’t ban the garments, ban those who wear them 🙂
Jothar, the story regarding Rav Yosef Chaim is printed in Ish al haChoma, written by his own grandson. There is no doubt as to its veracity.
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JP
Nisht kein pferd fun Polo, und nisht kein alligator fun Izod!! Ehrliche Yidden only go in white shirts, either manufactured by heimish owned companies with bogus Italian names, or those that button in ladie’s fashion (not that we are aftaid of Lo Silbash).
Any and all logos are pure Avoda Zara, for some reason or another. I am sure there is some obscure midrash that can be misquoted to prove exactly that.
Actually these long posts by David are quite interesting. David’s information is precise, and he obviously is very knowledgeable in the issues. Keep them coming.OK
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Is that the reason that in Ponevezh the shiurim are given in Hebrew? Those include the ones Rav Shach himself said.
Incredible story, except that Berdichev is not in Bavaria. Like so many fascinating chasidishe ma’aselach, the place is wrong, the name is wrong, and he wasn’t gebentsched by some unknown holy rebbe to be “matzliach in dem hoizen gesheft”. Other than that, the story is quite boring.
Cherry,
Why are the threads in an oxford shirt too thick, and those Turkish wool Talisos that look like recycled blankets good enough? Do Brooks Bros make prayer shawls? Well, they should…..
Feif, jeans may help identify one as a working person, someone who uses his hands to make a living, chas veshulem.
yankdownunder
Why don’t you give those berries your own heimishe hechsher, using the old stipulation – vail s’is a “vegetabable”, vi azoi zugt men dus oif goyish, oder a frucht, is miz zahn kusher. Nish du kein chazir in dem, und nish kein goyishe milch, chas veshulem. Oich is du a ma’ase fun der heiliger yid fun pripitchek, vehr hot gegessen fershidene die “raspenberries” in vald ven ehr is antlofen fin die kozak’n, is deriber ale die berries kusher veyusher. Es gezinterheit!
Chapt es ober bald, far die ale heimishe rabunim gehen shtemped daine frucht mit a million hechsheirim mit kleine oisiyos, und es geht cost der ganz reichkeit fin Koirach.
WHO exactly is too thick? 🙂
Jeans?
Yilb’shee anuvim vayisbooyee
aaryd621
For the same reason some people imagine that the dress style of 18th century Polish aristocracy is holy. just because some Jews adopted it back then. Interestingly, at that time it was considered ultra modern, yet, the same people who dress that way are loudly condemning today’s suits as being the gentile fashion of the age. Why hadn’t those Jews in the time of the Besht worn clothing a’la Rashi, or something that Rav Achoi Gaon would have considered Jewish dress in their own period?
It is simple, if you truly wish to dress like the Avos, get rid of the 7 layers of polyester, known under different Ukranian and Hungarian names, and wear a woolen robe. While at it, take off those boots or oversized slipons and get a sturdy pair of sandals, the kind that Rabi Yochanan HaSandler used to make and wear. Once thus transformed, come back and preach about heimishe clothing and Middle German with a lisp.
JP
A friend of mine was getting married 20 years ago, and wished to purchse a tish bekeshe for Shabbos use. He isn’t one bit Chasidish, but wanted a nice silk-alike garment to enhance his Shabbos table. The bekeshe store in BP absolutely refused to sell him any but the black ones. When asked as to why he cannot buy a blue or a golden one, he was told, as if it was some Halacha L’Moshe miSinai, that ONLY rebbes are allowed to wear those. When he asked as to who exactly can be called a rebbe, he was answered that you have to either have a chasidus or at least be a rebbeshe einikel. This made no sense then, and makes even less sense now. And yes, the story is true; I went to the store with him to help him choose something that would NOT make him look like a chusid to his wife.
Lakewood Cheder mandates white only from SIXTH GRADE up!!!! Quite insane, actually….
If you DO bring the Lev HaIvri, quote his opinion on bringing Karbonos beZman haze, and how everyone opposed him in that regard.
The Kuzari died before Yiddish even existed, and if you read Chasam Sofer’s (and R’Akiva Eiger’s, for that matter) michtovim, you will see GERMAN, not Yiddish.
A talmid muvhok of the Chofetz Chayim who spoke at my aufruf (Yiddish for being called up to the Torah), started with – “I will speak in English, although Yiddish is my own first tongue. I will do that because I heard from mt Rebbi that it isn’t the German in Yiddish that makes it a Jewish language, nor is it the Polish part. It is the lack of nevolo, usage of Chazal’s terminology, and ample reference to T’NaCH. If one speaks English in the same vein, it is just as holy a speech as the one in Yiddish. Which goy can comprehend a discussion spoken in English by a talmid chochom? And THIS is what makes any language holy.” Actually, this is exactly how R’ Hirsch explains “shelaw shinu es leshawnom”.
I suppose you never learned in …….. then. Oh well, unfortunately some of the funnier errors were taped and laughed at over the years. This obviously added to K’vod HaTorah, and all in the name of a language! The Yiddishist’n would be proud.
I don’t know about the others, but I DID hear many shiurim from a great Rosh Yeshiva who was breaking his teeth and twisting his tongue each and every time he had to deliver one in Yiddish. Only after the shiur, when people crowded around him asking for elucidation, did everything fall into place and make sense. What was the point then? The Yeshiva has an unwritten rule that only Yiddish may be spoken from the podium. Sure, that definitely applied when it was founded, and when only the “moderne” American rabbis couldn’t handle the language. Nowadays, when most of the bachurim know some 30 Yeshivish words in Yiddish, and some of the Hanhala themselves do not know much more, it is painful to watch how a great talmid chochom tries to discuss subtel nuances in a sugya in a language that isn’t his. Adding insult to injury, mistakes are made, sometimes very bad ones, causing laughter. Is THAT the supposed holiness of the language?
jewishandworking22
Even when BP denizens appear on Manhattan streets, especially in the vicinity of the 47th street, you can easily tell them apart.
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Why is it that a post trying to establish the “holy” supremacy of Yiddish was written in such eloquent vernacular? Isn’t it rather obvious that the posters first and main language was and remains English? Hiskosh’shi veKushi.
cherrybim
While your question is valid, one still needs to differentiate between chumros/kulos and a Safeik Deorayso, which Hotzoah happens to be. Therefore, someone can be meikel on using a shabbos clock on an air conditioner, due to it being permitted by most other poskim, and still not rely on an eruv in Brooklyn, since one is ‘Niro keissur” and for the other one a person can get skila if with eidim and a warning.
Let’s not forget that Brooklyn and Queens boundary is an artificial one, both being well interconnected. What’s more, the BQE fully integrated these boroughs, and the Queens-Brooklyn have grown out toward the LI, with combined population WELL over 3 million. If in Reb Moshe’s time this was an issue, it is much more so today.
If you bring Rav Shach’s opinion on the merits of teaching Chumash in Yiddish, please also quote Reb Yakov zt’l, who told many a rosh yeshiva – “if you want to say a shiur, by all means say it in Yiddish, however, if you actually want to teach Torah, you must do so in the language that the talmidim speak, namely in English”. He also said many times that if the melamed’s own language isn’t Yiddish, he won’t be able to properly teach in it, as he will struggle for words and miss the meaning. There is a reason why Rashi constantly brings Old French, since people had to actually understand what they were learning.
It is OK to want to learn Yiddish and to learn IN Yiddish. Still, if one is going to bring myriad proofs for that point, he should have some intellectual integrity and quote those gedolim who felt otherwise.
Haifa, forget the table manners, what about personal hygiene? Why do those who do shave do so only once a week? Why do so many black and white Yidden forget to use a deodorant? Are these “extra measures” to ensure that they aren’t similar to the secularists?
Jothar, you hit the nail on the head. It is only because some people felt less frum than the Chasidim that they started to be black and white. I hope this won’t go on to shaved heads, for both genders, but the problem is a little deeper. It was when the learning level in Litvish yeshivos went somewhat down that they started comparing themselves to the Chasidim, because if you know that you aren’t that “frum and choshuv”, you attempt to at least look like you are. Having a self-deposited chip on the shoulder will only drag one further down, never up.
What was the name of that book some 15 years ago? Troubled Identity?
Truth, the one main criteria of defining a kosher witness is Shmiras Shabbos, especially Befarhesia. Eating in the Sukkah on Sh”A, or observing a different Z’man for Krias Sh’ma is not in the same category, by any stretch. And, since the Rav explicitly stated his condition for eidim before the Chasunah, it should have been honored, or the Rav replaced. There are Chassidisher Rebbes who will not be Mesader Kiddushin if the woman will not shave her head, and Roshey Yeshiva who refuse to officiate if videos are taken. While they readily acknowledge that there are other opinions or minhagim, their stance is to be respected, and one cannot ask them to bend their p’sak to accomodate everyone. Now, if we accept a refusal to be Mesader Kiddushin if the Kallah won’t shave, which is merely a custom in certain circles, how much so we must respect a Rov who considers using Boro Park Eiruv as bonafife Chillul Shabbos Befarhesia? Are we also going to force him to eat at the wedding from a shechita that he doesn’t consider kosher, just to make the mechutanim feel good?
Why recall the horrible, oval or straight. Stick to cherry peppers and enjoy them for mere 75 cents on a sale.
Some meforshim describe Shechor as a distilled spirit. While in Europe distillation was not started untill late Middle Ages, the Greeks, and possibly even the Egyptians certainly knew of the process and utilized it. There is a difference between Shechor Mitzri and Shechor haModoi (Medean shechor), with one being beer and the other hard liquor. Neither used sherry casks, though.
Blenders shmenders, is es batamt oder nisht?
Actually the Mesader made his disqualification absolutely inaudible to anyone standing near, ans the witness had the option of quietly sitting down, making up any excuse, such as being distantly related. It was HE, by asking most loudly “are you calling me a Mechalel Shabbos”, who let everyone know what the issue was, and who caused his own embarrassment. The Rov, actually, according to the family, DID insist before the wedding that those who utilize the Boro Park Eruv NOT be given the eidus under the chuppah. What should he have done, if he considers the witness totally unacceptible?
Cherry Dr Pepper? Is that single can? How well aged do you like it?
For a mediocre Vatted Malt, try Johny Green, for a decent one – Famous Grouse 18, and for a very very good one The Hallmark of St. James 25 year old, which is nearly impossible to get, but is well worth the effort. l’Chaim
Shaatra, nobody says that Kupat Hair isn’t worthy of donations and that the work they do isn’t deserving utmost respect. I believe that even the most negative posts here merely meant to say that it isn’t the ONLY Tzedakah, and that the advertisements on their mailings seem to imply that one will be automatically granted personal intercessions by the greatest Tzaddikim if he contributes to this charity.
Two things must be kept in mind. Firstly, every penny given to ANY legitimate Tzedaka is a source of merit and is “matzil mimoves”. Secondly, even the mailings from Kupat Hair, when they bring the stories of supernatural events, specify that so and so, when asked for a Beracha, said that “if you give to Kupat Hair, you will have the salvation you are asking for”. Nowhere do they claim that EVERYONE who gives is granted his wishes. This isn’t much different from when any Tzaddik says to his petitioner that if he contributes to a certain tzedakah that the tzadik is involved with, he will daven for him.
How about the better wines, including Kesser…..