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A quota? Perfect. The kehilla can hire a few khappers to grab the poor kids and it’ll be just like the alter heim.

Because first you needed a tzadik to be gozer that when a tzadik is gozer then it works.

And they just didn’t think of it.

Syag: that makes sense, but, as I understand, in most cases it is worked out with no scene at all. Now sometimes, a self-proclaimed activist refuses so that she’ll have a blog post to write, and deliberately makes a scene.

So now who is making the scene?

Well Spice, I happen to think that “myth” is true.

But I’ll turn the question to you–you call it a myth implying you are convinced it is not true. How do you know?

As oomis and sem613 point out, the seating could be pretty problematic, especially on the yeshiva/seminary flights.

The solutions “charter a flight” are not really feasible, while asking politely is someone would switch does not seem very onerous.

In this case, it is being reported on kikar hashabas that the 2 hour delay was actually caused by overbooking, and that there was also some seat changing and that is being used as a scapegoat.

As to the el-al incident, I read a blog posting by a self styled feminist activist who says she davka refused to switch just to make a point and davka got in their face about wanting to switch. One might imagine how the incident proceeded from there. (Agav, she asked how they would feel if a goy didn’t want to sit next to them. I would have answered that I’d switch quite quickly is the goy explained that otherwise he would spend much of the flight wondering if I was more attractive than his wife.)

Excellent point Barry

No, we aren’t disagreeing at all.

By which I mean, thank you Dr. Hall for confirming that there is no statistics without data.

I agree with that, but despite not having the “right” to have obedient children, I have the obligation to try and be mechanech them to be obedient.

Of course. But should you teach them that at the expense of teaching good middos and to not be power hungry and petty, and to not get upset when people don’t get upset when people don’t bow to youw whims, and to not use the Torah as a tool for achieving your selfish desires?

Perhaps a little balance?

And I will tell you how to teach him to obey Hashem. You obey Hashem.

obedient adjective

<i>an obedient son.</i>

defiant

adjective

1.

characterized by defiance; boldly resistant or challenging:

<i>a defiant attitude.</i>

(dictionary.com)

what’s the issue?

The issue is that you think you have a right for your kids to be “obeying or willing to obey; complying with or submissive to authority.” You don’t.

Unisom. Works great for morning sickness too.

The parents who are hung up on having their kids “obey” them make ridiculous demands, and the kids learn that the parents have their own interests in mind, and then don’t obey anything.

You are all terrible people and terrible parents, and it is your fault that your kids are all keeping half shabbos and going OTD.

Obedient? Defiant? These are words you use when talking about your kids? Is your kid a pet dog or a horse or a slave that you expect obedience from? Who says you are entitled to obedience from your kids? Who says they shouldn’t defy you?

You find it annoying when they don’t obey? Too bad on you–your kids’ job is not to make your happy. Your job is to take care of your kids and give to them without expectation of return–just like Hashem gives to us without expectation of return.

When your newborn cries all night and won’t stop–you take care of him anyway and love him just the same. Well, that’s how you should treat your 20 year old who sneaks out Friday night and drinks beer with his buddies.

If there are no kids in shul it’s okay for the gabbai to give gelila to an older single? Or must he then give gelila to a married guy but definitely not the single?

He should definitely make sure to do it in the most outrageous way possible so as to insult the most people. Particularly if that will make him seem very frum.

Or that’s what I heard in the name of Rabbi Miller once. I don’t think I should believe it though.

Well, what was I responding to?

A poster was blasting people with unfiltered smartphones.

What did this thread used to say, before my post?

A lot of posts complaining about the high cost of cell phone plans. We deleted them when they came out with inexpensive unlimited prepaid.

Oomis, you may join my club. We are the only two posters who have ever conceded to learning anything new in a discussion on the CR.

For the record: I’m ok with gelilla being a “kid’s kibbud”, the same way shlish is a “choshuv kibbud.” I’m just not ok with single=kid.

Maybe. Seems like it is making it worse though.

Maybe it takes a certain maturity to be able to learn mussar, and otherwise you just remain a jerk and also are misgaeh as a “baal mussar.”.

Joker seems to be about 9 or 10 years old. Way too young for mussar in my opinion. Although, you have said you know who he is, so if he is older, maybe he is just very immature for his age. But that isn’t really his fault either-maybe his father’s.

Oh, Mod 100, don’t be mad at him. This is what he learned in yeshiva to do. I recall he calls it “mussar”.

Very useful thread. I’ll just read through the sources and then I’ll decide who is right