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BP: I don’t think he was whining about it. He was just pointing out the difficulty. Of course for the girl it is hard as well. For that reason alone girls should insist on sending a picture.
Salt lake city is the closest. Take I-94 south to I-80. Go west on I-80 until you hit I-15. Take I-15 north for about half an hour and arrive in Park City, UT. There will be signs to the three area resorts.
Alternatively, you can take 80 to 215 and follow signs for the cottonwood canyon resorts.
No, I did not use any mapping software to write this.
WIY and Sac:
This is not addressed at you, but in general. I’m just taking advantage of you and using you as an example.
I think you do yourselves a disservice. I see that you do not see alike on many issues, but are those issues which would really affect a marriage?
Does it make a difference if WIY believes in long term learning? He is already 27?, how much longer does he expect to learn? Isn’t Sac willing to put up with a couple years?
How many of your disagreements result in actionable differences, and how big a deal are those differences? If it doesn’t involve any actionable difference, who cares? Would you be unwilling to marry someone with different politics?
I think you would be able to agree on a school, and you will want to let your kids choose what they want to do anyway, so I don’t see that as an issue.
You each know the other is intellectually honest, and is not the evil fanatic or evil apikores which we try to stereotype each other with. Why won’t you meet?
Sacrilege:
I meant specifically WIY
Are you dating yet? You might be more willing to see a picture if you had someone fly in to meet you who you rejected based on looks after the first date.
I thought it was funny.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/please-include-photo#post-172970
I made it up 🙂
I thought you’d like it. Did you see my story on the pictures thread?
I would use the personal information people post to extort and blackmail them.
Amen Haifa.
disputes about definitions belong in the aguna thread.
If we were begging a melech basar vdom three times a day, we might get used to it.
A small percentage of guys are actually looking for a smart girl (count me in) because they feel that their masculinity or self esteem will not be challenged in any way by a smart or more accomplished wife.
But they still won’t date sacrilege apparently.
Actually, I think they are dating, but don’t want to tell us. That is understandable, it is none of our business.
I know a guy who only wanted a fat girl. Everyone told him he should look deeper than just looks, but that was his thing and he insisted.
So, he would always ask for a picture. If they refused, he would go out with her.
Now, how was it biased by adam and eve? I’d like to hear this one.
how’d the latkes come out?
There is good reason the majority of frum people in America live in NY.
Because it is close to Ellis Island?
As much as I despise him and his policies, I don’t know if there really is any way to grow those jobs, certainly not quickly.
I think some of his moves are destroying long term jobs, but I can’t point to anything and say, “do this, it will make jobs!”
ner gadol dalok sham
Parent’s should find their children a shidduch, and marry them off to each other.
If the siblings are marrying each other, why did the parents have to also find them a shidduch?
I did read that article. It was absurd. As if the entire problem was that the kid had access to the internet.
It is much easier to blame the internet than ourselves. And when I say ourselves, I mean the parents.
I don’t think the term “aguna” is used in a halachic context anywhere.
Josh, I think you’re misunderstanding me.
See also: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/johhny-lingos-8-cow-wife
It’s idiotic comments like yours, @popa_bar_abba, that give the frum world a bad name amongst the modern orthodox, the the irreligious and thenations of the world.
I totally forgot that I posted on this thread. This is great.
The simple reading of the Mishna in Avos is that all people are chaviv on account of having been created b’tzelem elokim. I believe there are opinions that it is only talking about yidden, however, it seems the normative position based on the simple reading is that it is talking about all people.
Now, tzelem elokim is understood by the Baalei mussar to mean the koach ha’bechira.
To me that means that the ability to choose right and wrong is what makes us special, because it is that ability which makes us able to lift ourselves up and makes our actions matter.
so right:
You are correct. Is it ok for a frum man who has a 1 cow wife to have an 8 cow secretary?
Yes, let’s discuss places where it is ok for a frum man to work.
What is going on in the office? Is it ok for a 45 year old frum man to have 20 year old secretaries?
Fair point.
I thought it was rhetorical since the word “aguna” was used, which is an emotionally charged word.
Maybe change the title to “Hypothetical Get Meusah” question.
Then change the question to “If someone is placed in cherem, and his wife is barred from synagogue, and she asks for a get and he refuses, does beis din force him to give a Get?”
Sycophant? Is that a crazy elephant?
What makes you think that?
The title of the thread is “Rhetorical aguna question”. A rhetorical question is usually asked to make a point. I have no idea what point the OP is trying to make.
So right:
What is a mitzva tantz? What parts of it come from the machzor vitri
This will sound harsh. It is harsh.
Purple: The emotion you are expressing is pathetic. Your daughter is happy to marry this person. It has nothing to do with you. You do not “get” a son-in-law; anything you get out of this is entirely incidental.
If you do not like your new son-in-law, that is too bad on you. If you ever say or imply anything negative about him to your daughter, you will be doing something very wrong.
Really, I think you need to change your attitude about this.
Ok, so we’ve decided that the term “aguna” is not a term of art or legal term, and carries no significance.
Now, what was the OP trying to say?
Haleivi:
It is a mishna. chaviv adam shenivra b’tzelem
Wolf:
That is why I said 53-47. The system still works because you still will always win eventually. Google it. Progressive gambling.
I imagine any yid is higher than mother theresa. We are bonim lamokom, they are “merely” tzelem elokim.
How can you compare the progeny of Avraham, Yitzchok, and Yaakov, whose neshama stood at har sinai and said naaseh v’nishma- to a goy?
I played many hours at a roulette table using the system of progressive gambling. I came out ahead, and have no reason to think I couldn’t do it forever and come out ahead.
To be fair, it is more boring than any regular work, and I didn’t win very much since I was only winning 1.50 on each spin which I won. I couldn’t just bet more, since in this system, you end up betting exponential amounts to your original bet.
The system is that you play on a 50-50 chance(or 53-47), so I was betting on half the board. Each time you win, you bet again the same amount. Each time you lose, you double, and continue doubling with each loss until you win. Statistically you will win every other roll, but it often goes many times without a win. As long as it never gets to an amount which you are unwilling to bet or to the table limit, you will eventually win and be up another original bet.
You are correct but to be nit-picky and precise, there is not usually any problem of tznius in a doctor- patient relationship.
In the context of a real tznius breach, tznius is yehareg v’al yaavor. As the gemara says, yamus v’al taamod l’fanav aruma.
Just remember, your kids are better at software than you are, and there is no such thing as failsafe software.
Indeed that is the definition of “aguna”, but I’m not aware being labeled as such carries any legal significance.
Figured it out.
I happen to not have a new suit, and to not be heavy.
But suppose I did, and was self conscious about my weight and the way the suit made me look. Maybe I’ve already gotten a comment about it. I could see there being an insult.
Thanks BP
Well, it needs to be someone who has told us about themselves.
Or someone we can research because he told us who he is.
You think so? I’m betting I’m right.
Lets try it on someone. Who should we insult?
ainohd:
Are you kidding? Which part don’t you get?
It makes you feel good.
bourbons are by definition aged in new charred oak casks. That is why they are popular among yeshivish people.
That is also why it is funny that bourbon is now the most problematic.
seriously, if you are buying it to make the drinkers happy, get a scotch.
While you’re at it, get one that is not sherry cask so everyone will be comfortable with it.