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Breaching legal contracts is not illegal. You just have to pay the damages.
The legal philosophers of the goyim are divided over whether it is even immoral. The economists say it is not, and I agree with them.
I generally only ask if something is right or wrong, and don’t concern myself with chillul Hashem.
Seems to me that kiddush Hashem is that we do the right thing because it is right.
popa_bar_abba:
Yay, another edifying argument! 😀
I didn’t say immoral, I said illegal. That’s really the only basis for serious complaint, since morality is so subjective nowadays.
I was responding to zahavasdad who was coming from a morality standpoint. I imagined that was what you were talking about as well. I’m not discussing the legality or anything about that.
popa_bar_abba:
“I’d say that depends on if we are being chauvinistic, or following our ideals.”
Really? You think that we need to give up a chumrah because the shvartzas think we are being immoral?
This case only ended up in the news because the city got involved. But I’m sure zahavasdad’s friend would be just as shocked that we put the women behind a barrier at weddings- which is also a chumrah. Do you think we should stop because they don’t like it?
he also likes capital letters, otherwise were pretty much the same
Yes, I prefer my pronoun to be “He”.
I like the kind with green tobacco inside.
As one who has usually worked in the regular world. I am frequently asked questions about jewish life especially when stuff his the news.
How is it “Kiddush Hashem” when a African American co-worker asked me How come you jews send your women to the back of the bus just like in the Jim Crow South?
I’d say that depends on if we are being chauvinistic, or following our ideals.
How is it a kiddush Hashem when a lefty lunatic asks me “How come you jews mutilate your eight day old babies?”
Monotheism.
Insane. One should spend at least 4000
oneofmany: Why are we arguing about this?
As far as 24 hours, yes, it does sit for 24 hours.
Here is the metziyus. You have a big barrel of beer which is pressurized. You attach the tubing to a port on the top, and open the port, allowing the beer to flow through the tubing until it is stopped by the valve at the end of the spigot. When you want to pour beer, you open the spigot and the beer is forced out.
I imagine the entire body of beer being connected to itself within the tubing and barrel.
And you are correct about the answer to itche’s sfek sfeika. It is all one safek.
The Constitution was written with the provision that it is to be interpreted by the courts as the situation warrants.
Not really. The courts decided that on their own. That is the chiddush of Marbury v. Madison.
So we wouldn’t really have any more power if we were in the framers’ position.
Of course we would. Nobody ever debated whether the president has to be 35 years old. You can put things in clearly.
I don’t see the point in arguing over the law, when probably none of you know what the law is.
You could argue about what you think the law should be, if you were writing the constitution. Or you could argue about what we should do on the tzad the law is that it is illegal.
I like the second one. I think we thought of that. It is simple beautiful answer, that it not able to come to issur because you never use it except for kavush.
I didn’t think of the first one, but who knows, maybe.
How about this: The whole piping is only a few feet of plastic tubing, so the entire volume of the tubing will be batul in the huge keg of beer, so it is darko to use bshufi?
Do we care that at the end of the keg it will not be batul anymore?
I think we may have had even more tzdadim.
Ok, so firstly, I don’t know that we pasken like that taz. Specifically, the shach in 98:13 says that kevisha is bolea b’kulo.
I thought of some more tzedadim to be meikel, when this came up. What do you think? Meanwhile, I’ll try to remember them.
I think they should have been chachamim, and put the women on the front of the bus and the men in back.
Much harder to challenge, even if legally the same exact thing.
Suppose you buy a used machine that holds a beer keg. You do not know if it was used for flavored beer which may have been issur. There are pipelines which the beer flows through and may have sat for more than 24 hours.
May you lechatchila use this for your beer?
lolololololol
The Sharei Tshuvah (460) says people are MACHMIR.
That is not dispositive. Half the time the Rema says we are “machmir” to hold like one shittah, and it is clearly a din.
popa: Can you please cite some examples?
Yes. But it will make some people mad.
getting back on topic…what evidence do you have to substantiate your ridiculous claim that kiruv organizations lack rabbinic leadership
I don’t know why this problem would be endemic to kiruv organizations, but I do seem to notice a disturbing incidence of kiruv organizations doing disturbing things without rabbinic guidance.
It is as yitayningwut says.
It is made up of essentially two yeshivos; the “yeshivish” guys in their first 3 years post high school, and the “college” guys who are older. (with of course some crossover in each group- you retards!)
I think I have even heard they sit on opposite sides of the beis medrash.
When calling the cRc what do you ask them in order to find out who is “in”?
Well, it usually goes something like this:
Ring Ring
“Sholom CRC”
“Hi, good morning, this is popa”
“Click.”
“Blazes!”
SCENE 2
Ring Ring
“Sholom CRC”
“Hi, Good morning. Do you know anything about the Star K?”
“Do you mean the one with a 5 pointed star and a K inside it? From Baltimore?”
“Yes”
“It is recommended.”
“How about the KVH?”
“It is not recommended, and depends on the product”
“How about the popa k?”
“click”
“hee hee” (runs to YWN to post story about it, but ends up posting even better story he made up about something else.”
Yes. But that is exactly why I ask and follow blindly, because I acknowledge that have no idea. If I am fully convinced one way over the other, I wouldn’t follow blindly.
Right. I was pointing out that we can all agree on that concept, and that any issue of dispute will incorporate agreement on this general concept.
Regarding kashrus organizations, we do have the equivalent of an umbrella organization.
Basically, all the hashgachos rely on each other to use the components made by the others, in their stuff. There is a large “club” of hashgachos who rely on each other, and by using one, you are implicitly using the rest since you are probably eating their ingredients.
Any hashgachos which are not up to snuff are marginalized by the “club”, and then we know not to use them.
Thus, the big ones I’m aware of now which are not recommended by the “club” ones, and not used by the many of us, are the “triangle K” and the KVH (vaad of Massachusetts).
This de-facto centralization is quite effective and good for the kosher consumer.
Many organizations will not tell you who is in the club, but the CRC of chicago will.
I also will, by calling the CRC.
But what about pesukei d’zimrah?
My goy quit when I told him we were doing the shirah also, and that I was able to play the yidden so he could be the mitzriyim.
Ha gufa. Since they were kovea halacha right and wrong were irrelevant. Which is absolutely inapplicable to our time, when our leaders do not have that power.
So maybe that was a bad example.
The point I was trying to make, is that there is a strong element that we trust talmidei chachamim to make the correct decisions, and we don’t take full individual responsibility for every decision we make.
This is apparent every time you ask any rav a shaila in halacha and do what he says, even though you have no idea whether it is correct or not.
I know how to rescue the nitzotzos (the funny parts) from the klipos (serious parts).
I don’t know anything about lashon hara parts, but I assume they fit into one of my two categories.
Funny Gooooooooooooooood, Serious Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. Spleen also Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
popa: I’ve given up on having a serious discussion. Let’s go back to the korban todah
I didn’t bring a “todah”, because my rav said I didn’t need to bench gomel.
popa: However if he says something wrong in torah while claiming infallibility, he is a navi sheker and must be strangled instead.
itche: I’m getting kind of annoyed by your harping on the infallibility bit.
Yes, we know that nobody is infallible, and we know that is not a torah hashkafa.
We also know that there are many times we follow our leaders as if they were just about infallible. For example, when there was a sanhedrin, their decisions would be koveah halacha, even if completely wrong in an objective sense.
But the real issue is, that you are using this as a way of framing the debate over whether rabbonim are bound to follow “gedolim”.
I don’t think this is the proper way to frame it, since I don’t think anybody imagines that rabbonim are bound to follow “gedolim” because “gedolim” are infallible.
You are never going to convince me, if we aren’t arguing on shared premises.
“We follow halacha, not saichel. “
The above statement is nominated as “Foot-In-Mouth Halachic Argument of the Year.”
I’d hate to see what the non frum could do with this one.
Old man: That statement is completely correct. And I don’t care what the non-frum say.
As it happens, halacha will always coincide with seichel. But not necessarily your seichel.
As is apparent from this exchange.
and one of the girls said she heard about it in elementary school from a principal that its in case you accidently bumped into a male cousin.
Brilliant. So now, not only did the principal totally make something up, but also gave over a message that you somehow need teshuva for accidentally bumping into your cousin. Nice.
In other news, when a rebbi teaches something wrong in the torah, you are supposed to stab them with a spear, as the gemara says in Baba Basra 21b http://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=23&daf=21b&format=pdf
PBA: When Rav Schachter respects your Torah knowledge we’ll let you make fun of Rabbi Dr. Lamm. How about that?
Firstly, respecting his torah knowledge is not synonymous with being a gaon.
Secondly, I have semicha from someone who is a greater talmid chochom than Rav Schachter, and that person respects my torah knowledge, and called me a “Rav Hagadol B’torah U’vyirah”.
Thirdly, Rav Schachter is an employee of Dr. Lamm’s.
Dr. Norman Lamm is a Gaon and a tremendous Talmid Chacham
Ok, let’s not get carried away here.
I figured it out. You put too much stuff in the washing machine and your clothes smell like sweat.
The solution is to spray your clothes with deodorant after you take them out of the dryer.
Alternatively, you can put a wax deodorant stick in the dryer with your clothes, and put it on high heat.
they are both not real people. they are workers in starbucks.
I do work in starbucks. However, I am not paid by starbucks. It is like a mishmar shaila.
according to my rav fear of flying is a lack of emuna
Your rav is highly ignorant, and has no business being a rav. As chanieT rightly said, phobias are an emotional disorder. Lack of emuna is irrelevant to it.
I am going to hear him speak. I know absolutely nothing about him.
Maybe he wants to make sure you keep kosher in case you invite him over to eat.