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Doesn’t the Gemorah say women were given 9 out 10 barrels of talk?
charliehall,
The existence of sheidim, whether a halachic matter or not, are a matter of discussion amongst the Gedolim. The Gedolim zt”l weren’t limited to discussing, and stating the facts, to strictly halachic matters.
Does anyone still have this, or has the offer been withdrawn?
Gave birth to me.
In general society, calling someone a fruitcake means they are a toeiva’nik.
I also learnt you shouldn’t blow out a fire, but I had forgotten the reason.
Rashi- “A Tzadik marries a tznua; A Rasha marries a prutza”
Chazal say “a person is given the partner he deserves and requires” (Sotah 2a). On this Rashi writes “A modest woman for a tzadik and an immodest woman for rasha”. It is remarkable that Rashi does not say that the wife of a tzadik is very knowledgable, intelligent, or a great Baalas Chesed. The ONE and only quality mentioned by Rashi is tznius. Evidently, tznius is the most important quality that the partner-in-life of a tzadik must have. A tznuah makes a home environment in which the tzadik can grow and flourish.
The rasha is likewise granted a wife that enables him to pursue his desires, because “A person is helped to go the way he wished to go (Makos 10b). Since he has chosen to be a rasha, the ideal wife for him is a prutza. Here again, Rashi does not say that the wife of a rasha is woman who does not keep kashrus or Shabbos, is a miser or the like. Evidently, that which affects the husband most and helps his crooked way is the fact that she is a prutza.
Encouraging girls to tznius with this information:
Transmitting the information just mentioned to girls can be a great source of chizuk to them, and a reprimand to those who are at present indifferent to tznius and Jewish refinement, If a girl realizes her complete future can hinge on how much Yiras Shmayaim and tznius she imbibies to incorporates into herself, she will increase her effort and not delay implementing such essentials with earnestness. An awareness that the good midos and earnest yiddishkeit of her husband will be directly related to how tznuah she is, can have a very far reaching effect on her.
It is in fact a principle of chinuch to bring a child or adult to realize that it is not for the sake of others this or that is being demanded of them. It is for their own good. They, more than anyone else, need and will benefit enormously from which is being required, and that without it their lives could well in in partial, if not total, ruin c”v.
Shimon isn’t entitled to a job with Reuven, or if he has a job he isn’t entitled to perpetual employment with Reuven.
Reuven doesn’t need cause to discontinue employing Shimon. Employment is “at will”. Reuven can one day wake up and decide he no longer wants to pay someone to fill the position Shimon is currently filling. Or he can wake up one day and decide he wants to give the job to his son rather than continue Shimon in it. This is fully within the scope of halacha (and incidentally secular law.)
Shimon isn’t entitled to have Reuven pay him “to make as much money as when he was in his desired field.”
1] Shimon has no case against Reuven in Beis Din.
2] Reuven didn’t wrong Shimon to be liable in Beis Din shel Maaleh or Beis Din shel Mateh.
3] Reuven never caused Shimon damages and thus there are no damages due.
aries2756: You’ve already said 2 or 3 times you won’t continue arguing, and then you go right ahead doing just that. It seems it is you who “needs to be right.”
I agree. Whatever the’re doing, the’re obviously doing something right. We all could learn from them.
Part of this dispute is who counts as a godol and whos bigger than who to begin with. The Shtusenstuffer Rebbe is equal to many of his opponents put together. Its impossible to determine majority here once you bring in the quality factor, which you cant avoid. Besides the principal of “rov gedolim” does not apply in this cases, for various halachic reasons.
“(although i’m not quite sure what being female has to do with it…)”
Its an excuse to get the men to take the garbage out.
The only insight I have, is stay away from them.
Based upon the Zohar many women have the custom to cover their hair while sleeping (Zohar Parshas page 239, see Yalkut Shemonei Bereishis), although the covering will usually fall off.
Exposing Partial Hair:
The Pri Megadim, Mishna Berura, and Chazon Ish all conclude that a skirt must therefore cover at least from the knee and above. Tosfos writes that the shok is actually the lower part of the leg in people. The description of the term shok by the Bach (O.C. 75) as a place that if not for the chiddush din or ervah we would not consider prohibited to be exposed because it is normally covered in dirt seems to point to the lower foot as the area being discussed, not an area above the knee. Based on these sources many poskim (HaRav Vozner; the Chazon Ish also debates the proofs for this position) argue that a skirt should be much longer and cover far below the knee as well.
Of course it must covered in all physical positions she will be in during the course of the day.
The difference between a yid and a goy is by the goyim there dream for their child is he become a doctor, a lawyer, or if he is a big dreamer he hopes his child will become the President of the United States. By unz yidden, the parent dreams his child will become a Talmid Chochom, a Yirei Shamayim, and our big dream is he will become the next Chofetz Chaim.
Tam Mahu Omer: The chiyuv for daily Talmud Torah is different than the chiyuv to be a Talmid Chachom.
Maybe the shaychus is the question is since he has that chiyuv, does he have to attain that status as a T.C. (as is his chiyuv) first, before he pursues college – if thats his intention.
Doesn’t Chazal say you need to bring up your sons to be Talmidei Chachomim?
Great idea!
I’m from 3. What I don’t understand is why some shul’s post the zman for both Brochos and Hodu.
Its nothing to laugh about. And its a last resort only, after all other overtures and beseechings fail. No one wants to do it, but it may have to be done to get through this terrible problem infesting our streets if nothing else works. It would be done out of pain and hope for change.
The police were there, and allowed, by the get picketing in front of private homes. The NYPD and the courts won’t (and constitutionally couldn’t) differentiate between one religious issue or another.
Picketing on public property is a constitutional right in a democracy, as demonstrated when it was done on the get issue in front of peoples houses.
True, they would have noticed, but the fact they are being picketed and humiliated itself could motivate some people to change their behavior.
I think most people will not want kol korehs and picketing in front of their houses because they dress pritzusdik. I think that kind of humiliation will motivate many people to shape up.
So you agree it can be effective depending on the circumstances. I disagree with you that it can only be effective on the get issue, but not on, lets say, tznius issues. Just as you say that perhaps he doesn’t want people to know he unjustifiably refused a get, and to get public humiliation as a result, I think (after trying private tochocho) public humiliation on this issue has a chance it may be effective on some if not many people.
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on its potential effectiveness.
Apparently the poskim I cited (I don’t know if there are any opposing view), hold that sometimes you do know for sure. And otherwise you need to give it.
I also don’t agree with you that following the tochocho as halacha describes it to be given (including possibly public humiliation if it didn’t help after giving it privately), will be ineffective. There are other circumstances even today (i.e. with the get issue) where public humiliation is utilized. Is that always ineffective iyo?
True. But unless you *know* that for certain, you are required to give the tochocho.
If after giving tochocho the person is still doing the aveira, the *halacha* is you have to embarass the person until he complies with halacha.
646: That’s an assumption on your part, which may or may not be correct. Unless you know for certain it is the case, you are halachicly *required* to give tochocho. And if after giving the tochocho they still are doing the aveira, you are halachicly *required* to publicly humiliate them until they comply. See Sefer HaChinuch perek 239.
aries: In the case of tznius she is doing worse when she clearly and blatantly dresses in a terrible manner than everyone can agree is inappropriate (like some people said when her knees are routinely becoming uncovered.) She is not only affecting herself, she causing thousands of others to be nichshal and do a serious aveira, everytime she dresses pritzusdik. In the Get case there was a difference of opinion amongst Rabbonim. Since he had Rabbonim who said he was right and nevertheless you feel it was okay to protest in front of his home, certainly in this case you need to be consistent in supporting picketing pritzusdik people.
yitzy99: A woman’s place is in the home.
“You would actuslly have the chutzpah to picket in front of someone’s private home, embarrassing them b’rabim (a lav d’Oraisa that is equal to murder) because YOU don’t think…”
oomis1105:
Even though I disagree with your analysis on this issue, I suppose YOU – in order to remain consistent and not hypocritical – are equally outraged against Rav Hershel Schachter for picketing and protesting in front of a tremendous Talmid Chochom and Rov, Rav Blumenkranz, because he disagreed with Rav Blumenkranz’s Beis Din ruling supporting a husband against his wifes demands for a Get.
After all, if you feel it inappropriate to picket on this religious issue (even though its a basic legal right in American democracy to picket on public property in front of someones shop or home, as Rav Schachter did), you must equally feel so on other religious issues. (Ironically, in that case different Rabbonim shlita had a different opinion on that case and yet he protested; here on the tznius picket proposal the commenter specifically said it would apply in cases of a clear breach of basic bare minimum tznius violations!)
Or are you selective in your outrage, and only oppose picketing on those religious issues you don’t like but support it when it suits you?
“that BT have more Yiras Shamaim than many FFB”
mdd – what you said above is no less judgmental than what Health said.
I would like to know what we should do about “frum” girls who repeatedly, and blatantly, go in public in pritzusdika clothing. (e.g. their knees show sometimes, or the clothing is tight, etc.)???
Its a terrible blight on Bnos Yisroel. And it negatively affects not only the individual engaging in this reprehensible behavior, but it is a slap in the face against the klal. And as was mentioned by others previously, one person doing this causes mass aveiros amongst many innocent persons. (Men can’t walk in the street with their eyes closes, so they will at least briefly see her.)
Should we ostracize these public repeated blatant overt careless arrogant conceited aggressive sinners??? Publicly humiliate them??? And I don’t mean just the girl, but her father/husband if he tolerates her public behavior too must be penalized. This scourge has been contaminating our streets for too long already. And despite all our Rabbonims many premonitions on this inyan, it still has not been eradicated!
We’re not even asking anyone to be like Kimchis. We are simply talking about basic bare minimum tznius compliance. The pain is unbearable. This open mass sinning is tremendously hurting us all!
Another big problem thats common is people wearing a belt around the shirt. This obviously makes the shirt too tight.
smartcookie, who mentioned that segula, asked for the source. In any event, it is a midas tznius by yarei shamayim as many people above testified personally witnessing Rabbonim and other yarei shmayim practicing this midda tova of not calling their wife by her name in public.
Not to mention the destructive power of l”h online is 1000 X greater than a conversation in a grocery.
Yes; it is unfortunately the most discounted one:
Davening.
With tears.
APY: Surely you are not serious. The local grocery, and lhavdil the Shul, are certainly not designed for lh. And has a mission other than lh.
No one said its “100% assur”. It can be different whether we are talking about a Yarei Shamayim or not. One can technically fulfill his obligations with minimum standards too. As far as the book, was the Rebbetzin “posing” for the photo, or did someone just snap it? Was Reb Moshe aware, and approved, using it in the mass media? Artscroll is not a Rov or posek nor a raye.
There can be inappropriate gesturing or public fondness without touching too.
Many Yarei Shamayim, for that reason, won’t call their wife’s name in public.
chanoch lanaar al pi darcho means to train the child according to his individualized way.
I don’t understand how a child’s perception of whether a teachers chinuch was right or wrong bears more weight than what the teacher deemed necessary. Some children need tough medicine sometimes, even if the child doesnt think he appreciates it.
apushatayid, at least you had the courage to admit that when a young husband stam holds his young wife’s hand strolling through the street it is indisputably derech chiba. Some posters are actually trying to subtly claim even this isn’t derech chiba. Obviously they just can’t fess up and admit wrongdoing.
In addition to the Rema and Kitzur, mosherose brought additional sources even more explicit about the issur, and no one brought any other sources disagreeing. (Other than their own “boich teitch”.)
Okay, perhaps not the full 11 months if that’s the only sin.
Another terrible breach in tznius is this new fad (I don’t even know how new, its been a big problem for a while) to wear a tight fitting white shell under the shirt. Theres no heter for the shell (like shirt) to be tight and “hugging” the arm and the outlines of the arm (above the elbow) clearly visible. It is no less assur than wearing a tight fitting skirt.
hanab – You are very right.
mazal77 – Where can I get a copy of Daughters of Dignity?
This is no chumra and geder. This is an aveira mamish straight out of Shulchan Aruch and the Kitzur S”A that will earn a person a free 11 month stay in a well heated area after 120.
Great point WellInformedYid.
We should also include the heroic fathers and mothers from Emmanuel that like Pollard and Shalit are imprisoned.
philosopher, Thanks! How’d you find that link?