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Helpful, see my my comments above.
If there is no compeling reason to dress up, it should not be done. The less dressed up a married woman is (in public) the better.
WIY, you are right. But the tayna is on the hanhola — why introduce ridiculous rules? They need to have seychel.
Mw13, how about ridiculous rules? Especilly, when it comes to the girls schools.
I am not saying that you should go to the Har HaBais, but the contention that once Rav Eliyashev paskened, even though a different talmud chocham disagrees, automatically places a chiyuv kores on anybody going there is shtusim. Plus, you have to know if Rav Eliyashev even holds that — possibly, he holds that people should not go up because they may enter areas where there indeed may be a chiyuv or a sfek chiyuv kores.
HaShem’s name in English is to have a capital “G” at the beginning.
I never said I did not hold of the Rebbe or Reb Blau. And the Rebbe did be’emes hold that creating the state was against the Torah. I was just talking about some of the supportive arguments he makes in his seforim.
Reb Blau never went to Iran, but the guys who did consider themselves talmidim of the Satmar Rebbe. And what I quoted from him seems to support them. Tam, face up to the facts.
Tam, since some people quote the Rebbe so strongly, we have TO KNOW THE EMES.
Mogold, at your service. Yes, I did peruse his writings. As fa as NO ONE refuted them goes, did you notice that all the other Gedolim did not hold like that?
As far as examples go, he wrote that Chazal held that it is better to cause the death of hundred of thousands of frume Yidden but not to have even a frum medina before bias ha’Goel. His proof for that is a gemora in Sanhedrin, which says that when Chachomim saw that Bar Kochba was a false Messia, they killed him. And that’s why the Naturei Karta went to Iran to mechazek Achmenajad. Obviously, it is not a raya to justify such a p’sak, and the Satmar Rebbe must have khown it himself.
LmKA, Bar Kochba and his soldiers were frum.
The Satmar Rebbe held it was mutar and even a mitsva.
Excellent question! What theprof1 said is true. On the other hand, we find that malchus of Ahav was started improperly(his father usurped the throne), and Ahav was a rasha, and Eliyahu spoke sharply to him. However on a different occasion, Eliyahu displayed kovod ha’malchus towards Ahav(end of Zevochim). Ahav is also praised for his heroism in the battlefield on behalf of Klal Yisroel(end of Moed Koton).
As far as the Satmar Rebbe’s seforim go, he held that Zionism is a pirtsa and he is allowed to say not-emese pshatim to fight it.
We are not talking about the opinion of the people — we are talking about how the Torah views it.
Helpful, what are trying to say by your P.S.? So what?
Some of the yeshivishe chevra here have been taught the Brisker shitos about the topic and they think this what all the Gedolim held. Shtusim ve’havolim! Others did not hold azoi veit.
According to the Briskeres, Zionsm is the biggest evil, because it was founded to take Yidden off the derech. Others did not hold like that. And it is simply a not-true assumption. And don’t start getting hysterical and tell me that Reb Chaim and the Rov held like that, so must be… I do not believe they can never make a mistake.
The Brisker alumnae, how come you live in America? The Rov held it is a treifene medina.
Saber rattling? According to the Democrats let others attack and America and Israel surrender. Not the da’as of of the Torah.
Ludwigvanquixote, it is better to vote for those who support homosexuality, abortions, promiscuity? Some of who are arrogant atheists and condone adultery?
Charity is good, but supporting for life people who do not want to work is not. And our tradition does not forbid child labor and sweat shops.
In short, look at all the parts of the Torah.
And in golus no Jews were ever killed? Come on, by the thousands and tens of thousands! That’s what brought the whole Zionist enterprise into being.
What about the religious Zionists? You have to pray for them.
Uganda — the original Zionist plan. Absolutely not true.
There are reasons why the tefila is not said, but not the ones mentioned above. Some of the soldiers are mumarim. Plus, the Gedolim were, probably, afraid of people being too much into Zionism.
Hatsola is in the same sakona as the soldiers of the IDF? Come on, now.
SJSinNMYC, do not think you know it all because you are MO. I am a BT with a very extensive secular education. I was brought up as a militant atheist.
There ARE proofs for athiests. The counter-proofs are like the staffs of the Pharo’s servants. If one wants to see the truth, one could. If one does not, one could deceive oneself, as Pharo did.
If there were no proofs, how could a person be faulted for being a kofer?
Theprof1. nobody was talking about chosson and kalla meeting. People were talking about the after marriage. I think this is what “the thinking Jew” was referring to when he mentioned the other Gedolim.
BTW, SJSinNYC, THERE ARE proofs for the Torah. And the counter-proofs are like the staffs of the Pharo’s servants — if one wants to see the truth, one can see through them.
I hear — many good points.
Minyan gal, if a krum fellow has krum complaints against Yiddishkeit, he should not be validated! Oh , I have to keep Shabbos, oh, I have to eat kosher, oh, no immorality. Is this the life I want to lead? I’d rather live without the ol Malchus Shamaim on my neck.
Oy lahem le’reshoim!
Oomis1105,if a person was given fair consideration, his/her case was looked into, and r e a l problems were discovered — I fully understand.
Helpful, the question is if the standards are justified and y o s h e r al pi Torah. Because some of them are plain ga’ava and lack of ahavas Yisroel.
Till the victorious end, apushatayid.
Helpful, you have been told the teruts a number of times!
SJSinNYC, maybe you are for the toeiva marriage? Because if it is forbidden, then it is too much religious coersion.
SJSinNYC, do not go so far. If a non-Jewish leader wants to strenghten tsnius, it is a good thing. Frum people should not be screaming “the constitution!!” — this the shita of the New York Slums, and not of the Torah.
“…it will be about your son, not about fair.”. For people who think like that, I can say only this: watch out! Yesh din ve’yesh Dayan.
AyshesChail-in-Training, practically speaking, you stand a better chance out-of-town.
Moq and Tomim tihye, your position: we have to have a system; okay, it unfairly hurts some people, but tough luck.
I am sorry, but this is wrong. How about fixing the wrongs? By doing some research, by going on a date and checking out a ba’al te’shuva, a girl from a broken home etc. Ve’ahavta le’reyacha kamocha!
Homeowner, what are you for? The Torah or the constitution? Ribono shel Olam or Ba’al?
They machmir in yuchseen.
GAW,yes. I know a family where they have a single girl in her upper thirties, but they would not consider a BT for a son-in-law.
Cshapiro, we were not talking about the modern chevra.
Gavra-at-work, what was meant is why are the ba’alos and ba’alei te’shuva are totally off limits for some FFB families, come what may (almost).
Who has not done t’shuva? The ba’alei ga’ava and people who do not care about other Yidden!
JD4, Outrageous comparison — nobody is trying to condone or legalise child molestation! Plus, it is a ma’ala to be disgusted with gays, no matter the exact reason why! (I don’t mean because a couple of them stepped on your foot).
The sefer is “Az nidabru”.
Moq, a speculation?!? I love your kulos and sfeikos creations! It is mefurash in the Rambam, Hilchos Melochim 9:5, that mishkav zochur is an isur of arayos for a non-Jew.
The letter is from the Steipler gaon.
Ben Torah, just because nobody complained to you, it does not mean that everything is fine.
An idea, yes — it is one of the gilui arayos prohibited for a non-Jew.
Helpful, there is a gemorah in Cheilek which describes who some crooks deceived Ahiya haShiloni and got a misconstrued p’sak out of him and the bad consequances it had. One of the Bnei-Brak poskim (who was recently niftar) describes in his seifer how these things happen nowdays. I just don’t remember the name of the sefer at this second.
Squeak, yasher koach.
Gavra-at-work, who told you so? Look in Mishna Brura, siman 242.
BP totty and RSRH,there is an issue of chillul HaShem involved here – in supporting candidates who are openly for very anti-Torah things. Plus, we are supposed to try to prevent the non-Jews from doing aveiros, if we could (Rambam ,Hilchos Melochim; Rabbeynu Yehudah Hachassid).
So right, why did Chazal make a takona which made it easier for make-up and perfume merchants to sell to Bnos Yisroel? According to you, adaraba. The point is that the Avrohan Avinu’s madreiga in these things is for yehidey segula only.
Mosherose, are you a gerrer chassid? What about all the gemoros which very mekel about looking at one’s wife? The point is that Avraham Avinu was on a very high level, and you can not learn from there a hanhoga for every regular Yid.
If you are a man, you are halochically obligated to continue. If you are a woman, ask a shaila. Hatslocha!
WM , Your are hashkofos are very, very wrong. Avrahan Avinu went around the world PROVING to people that there is one God who is the Creator. What you are saying is alomost bordering on apikorsus.