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JotharMember
Shellac- IIRC, it’s muttar because it has no taste and is mixed with other ingredients, so it’s battul berov. Either he doesn’t consider the glaze to be a chazusa or he’s mattir carmine.
JotharMemberWindows phone 7 series. 🙂
JotharMemberMods, can we please close and never open these stalker-friendly threads?
That is a good idea. We happen to have a resident stalker (Joseph), and we shouldn’t encourage him. Seems it is very frum to stalk people.
JotharMemberHmm…let me go hock my rabbi again.
JotharMemberShein, by learning through the mesilas yesharim and working through it, one attains ruach hakodesh and the ability for techias hameisim.
October 26, 2011 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm in reply to: HOW MUCH? can/should you daven for something?? #1049200JotharMemberMoshe Rabbeinu davened until Hashem told him “Stop!” So Daven until Hashem tells you “stop!”
JotharMemberIt hit me this morning that the problem with the house with the goyishe babysitter could be ikva issura so all keilim are treif.
JotharMemberThe problem with using the same oven is that spills happen and get absorbed by the pots put in the oven.
JotharMemberIn the case of the babysitter, they were away from home all day and never checked up. Thus, no yotzei venichnas, and she can be assumed to be treifing up the house.
I originally assumed like you that based on rov keilim I would be allowed to eat in such a house if extended an invite. But my rav advised me against it. Certainly nobody can have a goyishe babysitter lechatchila without checking up on her.
JotharMemberCarmine- yes, the piske teshuvos brings down it’s muttar. There’s a pri megadim who says chazusa belo taama milsa hi in the part that discusses chazusa- it’s been years but i’ll try to find it tonight Kashrus agencies hold treif, based on Minchas Yitzchok, vol.3, 96, but chashuveh people say muttar.
This is from Rabbi kaganoff, good maareh mekomos:
The boldness of a color announces its existence. Can we say that a color is bateil when we clearly see evidence of its existence?
Several great halachic authorities discuss this question, reaching widely different conclusions. Some prohibit consumption of the resultant product precisely because one can notice its existence (Pri Megadim, Mishbetzos Zahav 100:1; Minchas Kohen, Sefer HaTaaroves 3:3, quoted by Darkei Teshuvah 102:30). They contend that bitul can only happen when the offending item leaves no trace. A colorant is by definition very noticeable and therefore not bateil. According to this approach, all of the juice drinks mentioned must be recalled since the non-kosher ingredient is very noticeable.
On the other hand, the Vilna Gaon argues that determining whether the food is kosher depends on whether one can taste the treif ingredient (Yoreh Deah 102:6). In our instance, although the color is noticeable, no one tastes the colorant, and therefore the finished product is permitted, assuming that the admixture was made in error. An earlier authority, the Minchas Yaakov (74:5), also espouses this position.
Some authorities concluded a position between these two positions, comparing our question to a Gemara that discusses whether someone who stole dye and cloth and now returns the dyed fabric fulfills his mitzvah of returning what he stole. The Gemara rules that this depends on whether the dye is considered to still exist after it has been used because its color is still noticeable (Bava Kamma 101a). Is the color on the cloth treated as if the dye itself still exists, or did the dye become bateil and no longer exists?
Last q from me:
A frum couple has a goyishe baysitter home all day. They sternly warn her not to use the kitchen or she will get fired, and then they both leave to work/kollel/school, leaving the baysitter at home by herself. Is the kitchen kosher (mirsas) or treif (no mirsas)?
JotharMemberIn a typical piece of lettuce, there is easily more than 60 against the aphids and thrips on it. Why the kashrus issue?
JotharMemberCarmine- the piskei teshuva brings down befeirush that it is permitted. However, the pri megadim says chazusa belo taama milsa hi.
Based on this, most modern kashrus agencies do not allow carmine.Used to be a problem with some cranberry juices.
Shellac- not real chazusa, batul berov. Rabbi Blemenkrantz was not happy with this kulah being universally accepted, but without it it’s hard to make good candy.
The question is by the lard, neicha bei means that neicha it tastes better or neicha bey an issur was done. I actually forgot what we say here. forgot about that taz about fat tho, thanks. I heard the same thing about a rice with milk in the flavor packet mixture cooked in a fleishigs pot- the milk was avidi letaami but no real taste so batul as less than shishim.
correct about the Rav Akiva eiger, although the magen avraham by pesach implies this is not allowed by chometz- not sure where it was in my cllalei issur veheter cheat sefer.
Steam jackets directly pipe in heat from other parts of factories. Serious kashrus concern based on the steam treifing the pipes.
Mods, please let this link thru:
JotharMemberI agree- we shouldn’t target frum Judaism on this forum. Which is why we’re targeting chabad, which has ventured away from the 13 ikkarim.
As for hating apikorsism, believing the rebbe is dead ans moshiach is not apikorsus. alive means he’s a deity, and the ones who are educated and should know better should be hated. Most chabadniks are tinokos shenishbu and should be treated with ahavas yisroel, and we should be mekareiv them back to emunah in Hashem.
JotharMemberSam2, according to the pri megadim bishul basar bechalav is even by roasting (check his hakdama to basar bechalav). Pizza can be considered a kli rishon as it’s a davar gush. In practice, most food we throw out isn’t hot enough to be an issue, but it’s something to be aware of. Bishul basar bechalav even without intention to eat is a major problem with biofuels from recycled restaurant oils.
As for the lard in oil roommate,
befeirush in shulchan aruch- it’s assur for the person who did it bemeizid and the person for whom he did it. He did it for you. I’m avoiding the issue if a drop is avidi letaamah and therefore not batul be’elef, as there are many who say similar tastes can’t be avidi letaamah.
As for the oil, it’s based on “steam jackets”- pipes filled with water vapor of a product used to heat another product. Factories use them all the time to save heating costs. In this case, the same factory made lard, and the pipes were filled with water vapor from lard, making the pipes treif and therefore the product they were heating treif. No water vapor gets in the product, product is pure canola oil, and still treif. Steam jackets are one of the most common kashrus problems in factories and hotels.
3 large pieces of steak, 1 is treif. When would we allow this despite chaticha harauya lehiskabed?
Bonus basar bechalav issue- it is assur to be mevatel issur lechatchila. basar and chalav are kosher until treif. Can you purposely dilute 1 part milk in 61 parts water, and then use that water with meat?
JotharMemberPashuteh Yid, Achdus means loving all Jews, NOT becoming kofrim or allowing klal yisroel to become kofrim. Do we say “yeshu is moshiach” to have achdus with Messianic Jews who have unfortunately been taken by missionaries, or do we stick to our beliefs? Do we say achdus with our Conservative and reform brethren and say “toevah marriage is now acceptable” or do we say “We love all Jews, but we do not allow that in our circles”?
Hate the sin, not the sinner. I love all Jews, including apikorsim. I just hate apikorsus.
JotharMemberSam2, if the garbage can has fleishigs, throwing the pizza out could be bishul basar bechalav which is assur even if you do not eat it.
yitayningwut, one of the meforshim there says specifically that the achbera dedavra is the squirrel. Rashi says so as well.
yungerman1, even tho the drop should be battul, in this case we don’t allow bitul lechatchila and it’s assur for you. In addition, if he says it adds flavor it could be avidi letaama, although this area is a bit grey- in metzius it shouldn’t add a noticeable taste. This is similar to the machlokes about sherry casks in liquor.
Here’s a common one. You buy 100% canola oil in the store without a reliable hechsher. not a drop of lard is in there in metzius, and yet halachically it’s treif. Why?
Why would carmine coloring be or not be a problem?
Most kosher candies are covered in the secretion of the lac bug, aka shellac aka confectioners’ glaze. Why would this be allowed?
JotharMembermdd, agreed 100% if you believe he’s dead, as opposed to shlit”a.
JotharMemberIs beer made with isinglass good?
Your friend mixes 1 drop of lard into your kosher canola oil and says it makes it taste better and he did you a favor. Can you use the oil?
What are the 4 cases the shach allows something where nitosef issur? What are the added 2 cases of raavad and issur veheter?
What yummy creature is known as the achbera dedavra?
What ruins a chaticha hareuya lehiskabed acc to the pre migadim and pri chadash?
What’s the machlokes issur veheter and shach about chaticha hareuya lehiskabed?
Can you throw out hot pizza into a garbage with fleishigs?
If you put cheese on top of pork and fried it, were you over ishul basar bechalav?
2 hours after eating meat you take a piece of milchig candy and make a bracha on it. now what?
Sunday in July, at a bris. Somebody is about to have a bagel with cream cheese and lox, and his father says “we don’t do that”. Why?
OJ with omega 3 contains fish oil. Can one drink this with meat?
JotharMemberThe meforshim in chumash clarify what it means that yaakov avinu lo meis. If he was really alive he wouldn’t have survived the embalming and burial for long.
Years ago a chabadnik told me “yaakov avinu lo meis” and used it to convince em that the funeral we all saw was a farce. Nope. Shor shachut lefanecha.
Why don’t we dig up the rebbe and find out if he is dead or not? Let’s settle this once and for all.
JotharMembermdd, Rabbi Feldman clearly says they are believing a dead man will come back, and quotes the gemara with daniel.
JotharMemberIf some basmati rice mixed in with your matza farfel on pesach, can you have a sefardi taste it and see if it’s nosein ta’am?
If a mouse falls in your cholent pot, do we say it’s nosein ta’am leshevach?
You have 3 identical pieces of meat, 1 is treif. Can you eat all 3 because batul berov?
JotharMemberThe ma’areches hashulchan sometimes gets the halacha wrong, as can be seen by looking at the pri megadim and the machatzis hashekel.
JotharMemberYou are all misreading the letter. Read the first part where he defines “meshichistim”. Meshichistim= dead rebbe. Notice that he explains in his meshichistim section how once someone dies they’re not moshiach. Elokistim = living Rebbe. Shlita goes with yechi, a declaration of kefira. Notice how he says meshichists are crazy for believing the messiah will come back from the dead. Living people don’t come back from the dead. Not sure who yechiniks say is buried in the Rebbe’s ohel. Even his hanacha to the dead moshiach folks says if they’re not apikorsim, it’s assur to be mechazeik them
Years ago Rabbi Krinsky put up a plaque referring to the Rebbe ZT”L. It got torn down.
October 24, 2011 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm in reply to: should intellectual debates be allowed in the CR? #819825JotharMemberNOTHING in the CR accomplishes anything. It’s all a waste. So why is some waste better than other waste?
JotharMemberThe answer is that the gezeiros i mentioned were never ratified with widespread acceptance, kinda like lakewood’s ban on texting.
JotharMemberapushatayid, The letter is available at identifyingchabad.org, along with gil student’s website. Whether or not you understand it, the psak remains- the newsletter shows much of chabad is michutz lamachaneh. To get back into the machaneh, just remove the word shlit”a and stop saying yechi. The ball is in Chabad’s court.
The letter makes a chiluk between saying the rebbe is dead and moshiach and alive.
JotharMemberDid anyone actually read the Tzemach Tzedek in question? He writes he heard about this refuah, and calls it a refuah she’eina badukah. IE, he has no clue about it, and allows it due to lack of more information. If he knew its source he wouldn’t allow it at all.
(unless you believe the Tzemach Tzedek is the nasi hador and is infallible, but that’s for another thread).
October 24, 2011 2:32 pm at 2:32 pm in reply to: should intellectual debates be allowed in the CR? #819823JotharMemberApushatayid, Torah lishma, as defined by R. Yisroel Salanter, means debating and then being modeh at the end to whichever side is right. So he argues on your intellectual.
JotharMemberThis isn’t a bashing thread about joseph..I emailed him beforehand that this thread is for letznusa purposes only, and isn’t personal. I should clarify that.
JotharMemberGezeiros have been repealed, eg ezra’s takanahs, the ban on stam silsam and stam shamnam by the “bei dina dsharu mishcha”
JotharMemberBein Hasedorim, the teshuva of the Tzemach Tzedek is Orach Chaim 38.
JotharMemberApushetayid:
Jothar, that is a red herring argument. I asked you, which of the ikkarim are violated by appending shlita to the name of a dead person. Please do not avoid the question by asking another question. If you choose not to answer, that’s fine. You also neglected to explain what is wrong with a group referring to their Rebbe as the nasi hador.
As I’ve mentioned, the mara deshmaatsa is Rav Aharon Feldman Shlit”a who’s on the Moetzes. Feel free to ask him all your questions. However, I’m not sure what your question on the shita is. “Dead” is not Shlit”a, Shlit”a is not “dead”. If you call someone shlit”a, it’s because you think he’s alive and does not go the way of all men. This is pashut aleph beis- I’m not sure what the question is. Nobody says Moshe Rabbeinu Shlit”a. Nobody says Tzemach Tzedek Shlit”a either.
As I’ve said, I have no sissue with the superlatives they put on their own leadership. I just used it to help clarify the sicha.
I’m also excluding the Rav Shach ZT”L and Rav Aharon Kotler ZT”L who said that it’s apikorsus long before the Rebbe was niftar. I mention Rav Aharon Feldman’s shita because it’s more moderate and more palatable for the denizens of the CR. Unfortunately, thanks to the lechaim newsletter, we see apikorsus is widespread in the movement.
So in sum, as per Rav Aharon Feldman Shlit”a, saying “Rebbe Shlit”a” is apikorsus. Lechaim newsletter says Rebbe Shlit”a; ergo it’s apikorsus and many Lubavitchers are apikorsim. Don’t kill the messenger.
October 24, 2011 2:56 am at 2:56 am in reply to: should intellectual debates be allowed in the CR? #819816JotharMemberbar shattya, if you and poppa bar abba are brothers, wouldn’t that also make him a bar shatya? Or you a bar abba?
JotharMemberChocolate is much cheaper than SSRI’s, unless you have a sweet Rx plan.
JotharMember“Ki hu amar vayehi”. The gemara says, chemes malei tzoah, upiha meliah dam, vehakol ratzin achareyha. It is a gezeiras hamelech.
JotharMemberapushatayid: Which of the 13 Ikkarim does appending shlita after a dead person violate?
Which ones does turning a human being into a god NOT violate?
JotharMemberapushetayid, you missed the point. they are welcome to refer to their leaders by any superlatives they choose. they are NOT welcome to cross the line into avoda zara. It was part of a larger explanation of the sicha.
So let’s boil this thread down to three lines to avoid further confusion:
Every L’chaim newsletter published by chabad says “Lubavitcher Rebbe Shlit”a” on top. According to Rav Aharon Feldman, this is apikorsus. Done.
JotharMembermorechumras, keshot atzmecha va’achar kach keshot acheirim. I have a good one for you: Mar Ukvah said he is “vinegar, son of wine” for not waiting 24 hours between meat and milk. I dare you to succeed where he could not. I suggest you take this one up first.
Next would be taanis behab every week.
JotharMemberThe question is, where did they get the “unedited” version they posted? Did he really say those words and remove them to leave the public in the dark as to his true intentions?
They say the sicha is in lukutei sichos chelek 29.
A later sicha quoted in the pamphlet clearly shows him referring to the Tzemach Tzedek ZT”L as the “nasi doro”, showing the usage of such a term for Lubavitcher rebbes.
October 23, 2011 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm in reply to: should intellectual debates be allowed in the CR? #819808JotharMemberWhat must be remembered is that the CR, by definition of being an internet forum, will skew slightly MO, as many yeshivish people do not have Internet an spend their days in front of seforim or classrooms instead of a computer. The people who post are those with free time on their hands, or those who work with a computer available for using during downtime. Even if I delude myself into thinking that I’m smarter than 90% of the people in BMG, that would still leave over 600 who I’m forced to admit can wipe the floor with me easily. They’re not posting here. They’re too busy learning or being mechanech others. So any debates here are limited by the fact that the best and brightest minds are automatically excluded from the debates.
October 23, 2011 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm in reply to: Gog vs. uMagog = Modern orthodoxy vs. Charaidism #819412JotharMemberSam2 is correct in that MO means so many things to so many people that it’s easy to create a straw man and attack it. Joseph, please be clear which definition of MO you are attacking before attacking it. Rav Hershel Shachter is held of by many outside YU circles, as is Rav Adlerstein. They are MO according to some definitions and right-wing by others .
JotharMemberLesschumras, I agree 100% with your last post, in that chumras taken that one is not on the madreiga for will lead to kulos and worse ( gemara of mar ukva refusing to wait 24 hours between meat and milk, Rav Dessler, kav hayashar ch. 52, etc).
My objection is when inconvenient actual halachos are disregarded as just chumras.
Which chumras are you apposing?
JotharMemberItchesrulik, by defending Conservative Judaism you play right into Joseph’s “MO=Conservative” meme. Somewhere out there he must be cackling with glee.
October 23, 2011 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm in reply to: Making Fun of Rabbis in Purim Plays/Comedies/Videos #819588JotharMemberMaking of a Gadol implies that Purim plays were a way of allowing bochurim to vent their frustrations and feelings. He quotes from some famous plays on volozhin and slabodka.
JotharMemberuse the kulah /kulah tags of course!
Actually, I think it was the ol tag.
October 23, 2011 4:56 am at 4:56 am in reply to: Gog vs. uMagog = Modern orthodoxy vs. Charaidism #819405JotharMemberAnd I am becoming convinced that certain things claimed in the Coffee Room as “halachic positions” are actually untenable from the point of view of Orthodox halacha. But that is neither here nor there.
Abelleh, a main tenet of modern Western thought is pursuit of truth, intellectual vigor and the open analysis of ideas, not the stifling of ideas because it might offend those who don’t understand the process of questioning and examining. Ahavas chinam means loving each and every Jew as a child of G-d, not accepting beliefs which are in contradistinction to your own. The gemara in Yevamos (13b, iirc) makes it clear that the talmidim of Beis Shammai and Beis Hillel would respect each other’s beliefs, and let them know which of their children would be incompatible based on the others’ beliefs. Let the debates continue.
JotharMemberThis is my favorite quote from Rabbi Dr. Jonathan Sacks:
“Western civilisation has moved from what was once called the Judeo-Christian ethic to a consumer-driven, choice-fixated culture… Such a world is not chol but chiloni, not secular but secularist. It is impermeable to the values of kedushah.”
JotharMemberTo be clear, chumras that are clearly chumras instead of gezeiros and actual halachos are to be avoided unless one is on the level.
October 23, 2011 4:44 am at 4:44 am in reply to: The Judgement I passed on the CR, at first #1030082JotharMembershticky guy, it was due to a multitude of factors, the main one being what seemed to be a patently unfair treatment of one of the posters. Addiction control was a good secondary reason.
JotharMemberYossi, I am responding to these 2 statements by you.
#1:
- granted, some chassidim are misguided but that is not the fault of lubavitch. people have got to make that distinction and stop blaming the chassidus rather than the person’s choice. as to those groups in lubavitch people have a problem with (elokistim, boreinuniks, real yechiniks) i would like to break it to you that they do NOT represent chabad in any form or fashion so stop saying lubavitchers are crazy etc, lubavithcers aren’t crazy, these people are misguided.
*end rant*
#2:
- To address the point brought up about the rebbe saying about himself that he was moshiach, show me in a sicha or maamer where he says that and not what a mishechist says as they tend to like twisting things to fit to their ideology. That goes for the definitions of non yechiniks too.
So I showed a sicha where the Rebbe basically says he’s moshiach, and is thus directly responsible for the crazies.
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