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he addresses that too, he says there’s a machlokes if one can be mekadesh i.e. uplift a goyish tune, some rabbonim say no way, Rav Ovadia Yosef (he says) holds it is entirely mutar….however his main point is not supporting and enabling singers who are going against daas torah…
moshe rose did you see my Q above?????
i think gedolim have lectured again and again to support our mosdos hatorah but the people who listen often don’t have the means and the pple with the means often don’t listen…so I think more than the gedolim we need creative minds to brainstorm…
smartcookie –
this may have opened a pandora’s box….but swimming was different since pple had no choice, but being as the shechina is everywhere and we are supposed to be tznius it could be that now that there are tznius bathing suits, if practical, we should wear them….and if possible to practical yet tznius clothing 4 exercise we should…I can’t say I am always or usually makpid on this but if we are discussing it, it does seem that way to me I’m curious what the LOR would say…
noitallmr – i agree with you, but if you listened to the whole lecture he addresses that, twofold:
1) that by buying the CDs and employing them by simchas etc we are enabling them in their sins and going against daas torah and that if we boycott them they will have to give in to daas torah and thereby we will make them live according to the torah
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2) a deeper point which he says (I know pple will disagree but I am quoting his view ask your LOR) that a song no matter how hartzig if sung by someone being “oveir” the torah in any way will only have a bad effect on the neshama and that the singers would need to do teshuva and then RE-sing/record any kasher tunes as a full shomer torah and mitzvos (ie being the person who is now fully listening to daas torah).
the above concept is very much like with davening where the seforim say that one explanation how a gezeira (sickness etc) can be broken thru tefillah is that the gezar din is on who you are NOW, but if you change yourself thru tefillah then the gezar din may no longer apply to you….and beyond that, you may have acheived the growth and tikkun you needed thru tefillah so you no longer need the gezar din to break you and change you…
he doesn’t say this, but number 2 above i have heard is also the premise upon which some poskim who say not to listen to some classical music base their view on as far as the people who wrote them, many had avoda zara or infatuation emotions in mind and they say when it stirs the neshama’s emotions it can be a negative “pull” and influence based on the kavana of the writers… (again not all poskim hold this way and ask your LOR!)
I’m not looking to get attacked, just trying to clarify for those who truly want to understand…
mosherose: 1st of all, is the kedushas shoshnim saying it’s halacha, or hanhaga of more kedusha?
secondly, as far as his view, what would be during yemei tahara if the wife would go in a non clingy even when wet fully tznius bathing suit?
I heard “be happy”‘s advice, and try drinking alot at least the day before. There are also 2 products we use that we feel help a lot:
1) Fastprin is sold by a lady in Chicago (maybe other places too) – it has a 12 hr time release for aspirin and tylenol (you take before the fast) and helps with caffeine and fasting headaches usually for the whole fast but if not then at least over half of the fast…
2) In Israel they sell a natural product called “tzom Kal” or “kalei tzom” (2 diff. brands) that you take before the fast after you’re done eating and while it doesn’t taste very good it helps keep you hydrated throughout the fast
Also, a rav once told me by yom kippur when I had extenuating circumstances) not to exert myself (even daven shmone esrei sitting as the chiyuv is more to fast for the kapara even than to daven) but also to keep cool (in strong air conditioning) and to wear in LOOSE clothing (I guess helps to keep cool? or less hunger? not sure but it helped…)
good luck & an easy and meaningful fast to every1!
may this be the the fast we ever have to do!
While I agree with speaktruth about minimum wage, there’s a HUGE factor here not being taken into consideration which is that health insurance here is FREE, and tuiton is negligible (80 shekel a month for girls to 80 dollars a month or so for boys) – amount to the most expensive tuitions being less than $1000 per kid per year! So even if you make a third of what you make in the states, you still end up with around the same or sometimes more for groceries, utilities etc.
It may be true that Hash-m want bnei e”y to daven to Him more for parnosa etc but as simcha613 said that’s a positive not a negative…
At the end of the day Hash-m decides a person’s parnosa every rosh hashana – if you make more He may just give you more expenses, the above is just to show how “al pi teva” that is true…
as far as what artchill and derech hamelech said, Rabbi Orlowek says that generally it is not a good idea to make aliyah with kids while they’re between the ages for 5-15 yrs old cuz they’re more at risk to go OTD but each person should ask their own Rav….there are many different hashkofa schools in Israel, but once you choose one, one thing many mechanchim say is either way that the home and school shouldn’t contradict one another – if you do, you cause your kids to choose if they should reject the school or reject you, neither of which is an optimal situation!
So make sure you’re willing to go with the school’s shitos (once you choose which one is for you) whether you totally agree or not…
We made aliyah to a very American community which is a very comfortable transition to Israel (no I don’t work for any recruiting agency!) and we are very happy here – if anyone has questions regarding aliyah feel free to ask…
ramateshkolian – I see your point, and I personally don’t send to these camps, but I am in Israel – I think the others’ point is that, at least in the states, it has gotten to a point of peer pressure, and parents who can’t afford it feel they have to send to camp and seminary because all their kids friends are going (besides the obviously great experience that is more than money but if it was just that they could make a “shikul” based on their finances – the peer pressure and making their kid not feel like a neb makes them feel they have to stretch beyond what they can…hence the resentment about the expense…IMHO)
besides eggs, my recipe from the heimishe kitchen cookbook calls for seltzer and baking powder, both of which contribute to the fluffiness…they come out fluffy every time!
I assumed BO was Barack Obama – i’m curious if that was the OP’s intent or if it was really a typo…
I HIGHLY recommend the book “Alef Shin” by Sender Ze’ev, as well as it’s prequel “Ten Lost”…As I am also an avid bookworm who stopped reading goyish novels 12 yrs ago, I thoroughly enjoyed it, as did many friends I recommended it to, who still unfortunately read goyish novels and they raved about it as well!
It’s called galus yishmael!!
Overall I think it looks more like professional news sites, but I really miss the latest news updates in the upper right hand corner – maybe you can put them on top, changing topics, in red, like on jpost.com?
I also agree with the others, more headlines on top would be gr8!
To reiterate what some pple are saying here:
1) Yaakov Avinu lost his nevua so he shouldn’t be able to pass on when the “keitz” or the end of days will be
2) I think that we are supposed to learn from the miscalculation at cheit ha-egel, as well as the miscalculations of SEVENTY years (see posts above) which all the kings and even yidden miscalculated in the time of Achachveirosh and the purim story (ie when the geulah/2nd bais hamikdash would happen, why achashveirosh made a party in the first place, etc)
I think we are supposed to be learning from our history that the calculations are not exact ACCORDING TO OUR CHESHBONOS, though I am sure it will be clear to us once Mashiach does come…but the dreams etc clearly mean we are getting closer – but we can’t know if that means tomorrow or in 15 years…let’s just do our best to be chozer b’teshuva and be the best ovdei hashem that we can be, to be yidden who are growing in their yiddishkeit rather than the opposite, and be”H let’s hope we will be zocheh to see mashiach and the geula in our lifetime, amen!
(…as well as seeing the said gedolim – I heard in a shiur that anyone who is truly “tzipisa l’yeshua” – truly awaits the geula & mashiach – then besides for the official techiyas hameisim that will happen in olam haba years after mashiach, there will be a “mini techias hameisim” for every gadol, person, etc who truly awaited mashiach, to get to see mashiach when he comes! I don’t know the source, however – if anyone does please let us know! 🙂 )
I have not gotten into facebook, and therefore not hooked, and therefore can possibly be more objective –
My father used to never want to be listed in local jewish-only directories, as he felt that it makes it very easy for an anti-semite to target jews by just getting his hands on a copy – he would have the entire jewish community in his hands.
While I felt that was a bit paranoid for a small out of town community (and it wasnot available on the internet), even though it was an interesting point, I do VERY MUCH feel that way about facebook – any freak can get info off the internet, and even if they can’t see your personal details, they can get all the jewish names (as most people’s facebook names are their real names) just by typing in a jewish name, seeing the names of their friends, then going to each friend and seeing their friends’ names etc etc….it is quite a scary prospect to me. and to go on anonymously (which I have succeeded in doing) works, but kills the whole point of facebook, as your friends won’t generally approve an anonymous no-info name as a “friend” since they won’t know who you are!
Especially as our galus unfortunately seems to be getting more and more anti-semetic and the world gets so small on the internet, you never know who might use info against us c”v…
That’s Ari goldwag in RBS, sorry…
Also the Aish Orchestra guy is Shlomo Walfish if you want to look him up (try the RBS list)
also, apparantly Ari Golwag in BS also does performances with a one man band or an orchestra…
i’m haven’t used him but there’s a aish orchestra guy who moved to ramat beit shemesh
Aish Orchestra and One Man Band
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real – rbs is great, each street has a very different nature so you have to find where you fit in best. with a 2 year old should be easier to settle down. cost of living really depends on how you spend in the grocery store, how big of a mortgage you need, if you have a car, how often you drive, etc etc. health insurance you pay either nothing or you can pay around 100 shekel a month for your whole family (and i have 3 kids!) for supplementary “upgraded” health insurance where you can get many more benefits.
Tuition (gan and.oir elementary school) is around 350-600 shekels a month, depending on the school, boys/girls, whether they get government support too and how much, etc…..but substantially lower than in the states.
Groceries cost about the same or a bit more, but can add up if you buy all the american imported products rather than getting used to more of the israeli stuff….figure most american products to cost twice as much after import & import tax.
As per your previous post/thread, feel free to email me with more questions.
real – it really depends what you and your family are like – if you want you are welcome to ask specific questions here. i will be glad to answer them. we made aliyah 5 yrs ago and lived in a few different areas.
the moderator would not allow me to post my email address. sorry
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oomis – I always had a “kasha” on this minhag – we never did it but I would try it – except that women in mikvaos are not always the most careful with how and where they cut their nails (some may not know you have to) and given the chazal that a pregnant women stepping on nails can cause a “miss” (at that point would probably c”v be a stillborn) i always wondered how pregnant women can take that risk??
I think segulos which have a mekor in halacha and go with daas torah, are legit (such as the tekuma stone in shulchan aruch and mikvah in 9th month which I believe the reasoning behind it is teshuva and tevilla as teshuva/tahara – since the premise of labor pains is in line with chataim and a punishment for the cheit of chava…) but otherwise they are “cop-out”s and people should daven to Hashem for an easy labor etc – i.e. the point of the segula has to be relying on HASHEM not the segula (borders on avoda zara with some pple) and should be in line with daas torah… ask your LOR for specific segula sources & which are in line with daas torah…
arc – I personally am freaked out – I think it’s different because this one wasn’t tested for years; when they last had one 30 years ago pple died from it, they only recently discovered that mercury in some vaccines causes long term side effects, and who knows what else they’ll discover – they only decided xrays and radiation were dangerous after at least 20 years of using it!
On one hand, pregnant women are considered more at risk forgetting swine flu, but frankly, I’m scared out of my mind to get the vaccine – even if I would risk possible long term side effects for myself, to risk affecting a fetus in it’s most developmental stages is even more terrifying!
I feel my hands are tied, and it truly is a dilemma – do you approach it like a regular flu that anyone can get, or truly be nervous since pregnancy lowers the immune system and if one does get it, it risks even more complications from H1N1, but atthe same time if we wouldn’t contract it (and even if yes) we might be exposing ourselves and especially a fetus to who knows what as it hasn’t been tested (and for sure not in the long term)?!?!
Maybe a bitachon question for the rav what is b’geder hishtadlus…
starwolf, it is an amazing community, and like any other, it has “problem areas” and great areas and amazing schools (and quite a selection at that!), amazing communities – I will say that Ramat Beit Shemesh is unique as each street has it’s own character and mix of types of people, and therefore a person has to look into each one – I do agree with you though, as with moving anywhere else, one must look into both neighborhoods, schools, location, friends etc to find what is the best fit for you…
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mazca – would you be willing to share your challah recipe? I love my bread machine challah recipe and it comes out unbelievable, as far as taste and being light & fluffy, but I have yet to find a “regular challah recipe” that I like that is not too sweet, too bland or too dense…?? (assuming it fits that criteria more or less?) TIA!
the story is around 2/3 to 3/4 the way thru the video…
Read “Faith or Folly” by Rav Yaakov Hillel.
Rav Yaakov Hillel is a mekubal, who heads one of the biggest kabbalah yeshivos in the world (it’s in Meah Shearim/Geula area), many GEDOLIM hold of him, and many gedolim and chashuv rabbonim have even studied kabbalah by him in his yeshiva (including Rav Pincus zt”l).
In very short, while there are real mekubalim, he says (don’t quote be verbatim, you can read the book and/or listen to his shiurim on this, which exist in English! but..)that in general nowadays it is not “mekubal” (pardon the pun) to use practical kabbalah, and generally true mekubalim only STUDY kabbalah, but some may have deeper torah insight but there are 2 huge caveats:
1) They may not be advising people in order to get money, which many do…
2) For people who may have all these amazing stories to say about some of them – he says that it is shayich to have kochos from the “tzad hatumah” (i.e. through impure channels) and that even though they CAN foresee future through it – it is not thru kedusha and it can both be warped, and we a klal yisrael are above mazalos, and it can be the satan trying to convince you that your path is set when we as yidden are never stuck to a path set for the future.
There is a story he tells from point #2 with a man who had no parnosa and went for advice which is freaky and illustrates the point…
You can hear one of his shiurim with this story in it at the following link:
http://ohr.edu/yhiy/article.php/1783 (click on the link for Rabbi Yaakov Hillel – for me only audio worked in IE but also video worked in Mozilla, not in IE for some reason)
Confused tatty – it has been 10 years since I was in sem, and I can’t tell you specifically more than a “feel” I got of schools, but I can tell you that I had Rebbetzin Tarshish in Maalot, and she is unbelievable, in a good way. I don’t know how close you can or can’t get to her, cuz I don’t know how busy she is these days, but she is very caring. But academically, or learning torah, nothing compares – she is brilliant ka”h and brings machshava to life – whether in teaching mitzvos, or tanach, or machshava – anything….she brings all kinds of torah sources before you finish processing the first point and then she ties it all together, and each shiur ends with a huge “WOW!” and tons if inspiration. I personally learned “Shoftim” from her, and it seems at face value like one of the most boring and least thought provoking (if I can say that c”v) of the neviim, and she would bring aggadata and maharal and tons of sources, and break apart each pasuk, and explain from these mekoros what people’s names represented, what “ben so and so” represented, what the name of the place they were from or conquered represented, and what the number of years each one ruled represented – and it was so meaningful and powerful, it both gave me a lot of machshava and yesodos to think about, and it gave me a deeper emunah and appreciation for what tanach is all about, or how much depth there is behind it that we don’t understand – when such seemingly basic “non-inspiring” pesukim could “pack such a punch” of meaning and inspiration…!
As far as warmth, I think that is the most important thing to look into with any school (and/or families you can hook up your daughter with here in israel that will look after her and give her familial warmth when she goes for shabbos, y”t etc) as that is both the biggest factor in “losing” kids c”v, and the greatest factor in inspiring them and keeping them infused with wanting this derech for life…
hatzlocha rabbah! and if I can be of more help you can ask YWN for my email…
I agree the best place in NY that I’ve tasted is schreibers…though we usually make the kosher by design bread machine challah and I just let it rise all day (already braided) while I cook e/t else…it comes out heavenly!
Mods/YWN Programmers – PLEASE can you guys find a way to either make the search box turn up results from the coffee room (ie not just news headlines), or make a separate search box for searching the coffee room – titles of threads at least?
and/or
can you make the main page have “next page options” for thread titles? I often can’t find a thread after a day or so, and I can’t figure out which subtopic it’s under (except in cases when it’s really obvious)….
To search the Coffee room only, go to Google and type “site:theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom” and then your search such as this
TIA for all you do!!!
i make these awesome “creamsicles” that I, and most of my guests, are crazy about, from the Balabustas cookbook…but I use orange jello powder instead of orange drink mix powder…
goody –
lav davka, but you don’t know who may stumble onto any english site based on a google search or the like…
Just-a guy:
There is a reason I didn’t write it in English…!
v’hameyvin yavin…
just-a-guy, there is a reason i didn’t write it in English
v’hameyvin yavin…
yesh sibah shekol hagedolim katvu devarim al goyim b’ivrit or yiddish, afilu b’sefarim b’anglit (b’haraot l’mateh – b’frat bdinei d’malchusa) kee yachol la’asot lanu harbey baayot eem afilu goy echad korei mah shekatuv poh, v’kol shekein eem zeh goy echad b’memshalah shel artzot habrit oh kol memshalah shelo b’eretz yisrael…
and I am a female, so I am not being “lumdus-ish” I just truly feel this way, I was shocked from reading this thread…
I say we should learn arabic since we’ve clearly entered galus Yishmael and we should be able to understand what they are plotting behind our backs…
It’s funny – this whole time I agreed with Joseph, but I also agree with pashuta yid, and I see that point very clearly as well…to stand up for Joseph I think he was making a point which he believes is the torah viewpoint, and there is definitely something to be said (even though I am a woman who needs makeup for myself!) to, as some people mentioned in this post, moderate the makeup (depending on surroundings – in certain places of e”y that could mean just “base”/foundation to cover blemishes but not lipstick or eye makeup, in other places it could mean more but a more subduesd look) but whether referring to makeup or anything else, as far as tznius is concerned, a woman shouldn’t dress in a way that FOR THAT LOCATION makes her stand out and makes people look at her as more interesting or “drop-dead” than the women around her. (This can be perfume which makes people look her way too, or loud clothing, etc etc). As far as the school, I hear pashuta yid’s point, though I don’t know where the school is coming from, and it could be in their circles, well, who knows, even if in theory I don’t agree with it. The point with all of the above, and I’m beginning to feel redundant when I post, is that everyone should ask their local rabbi and abide by the “minhag hamakom” of the location that they live in….and the daas torah of their Rav…
While I don’t think I could ever pass the test (even though it was almost 9 yrs ago) of not wearing makeup for my wedding, I do hear the point – about tight dresses too, obviously – but I assume these frum girls in yerushalayim already mostly would wear looser dresses and shaitels, which is minhag yerushalayim. But I hear the point that when she is the center of attention, and everyone is looking at her, there is something to be said for that refinement of tznius of not being all made up and “GORGEOUS” for everyone to ogle at – especially if her husband agrees to it. But this of course would be with a clause that afterwards, she should be very nicely made up in every way for her husband privately. Not to say I’d be able to pass this ideal, but I see it could be a legitimate ideal….
Though the answer to everyone to quiet this down (which I know is exactly what the mods probably DON’T want :p), is of course (if you feel you are on the level to be able to listen( to ask your own Rav…
I believe UMUC – google it…
forget the birth certificate but I still say he’s “Achashveirosh” – from what I understand he hadn’t even been in any politics until a few years ago…
If anyone follows the purim story (or even better read rav brevda’s english pamphlet/books on the “real” raid behind the purim story) – it seems to me that Ahmadinedijad is haman who outright wants to see every one of us destroyed, and obama is Achashveirosh who was a commoner who suddenly got into power and seemed “impartial” but when reading between the lines we see he was really evil as well and liked haman’s ideas and gave him his signet. Obama is also surrounded with (sometimes brainless) advisors as was Achashveirosh.
They also say with megillas Esther that everywhere it says “HaMelech” it is really referring to Hashem, who was hidden behind the scenes (and therefore it doesn’t say His Name once explicitly) but it’s very clear He is pulling all the puppet strings – with the seemingly nonsensical commoners coming to power (both Haman and Achashveirosh) and then the total hashgocha of Esther and Mordechai getting an “in” to the government, Mordechai overhearing bigsan and seresh so Achashveirosh would be indebted to him (and didn’t want to be BTW and kept trying to flip the page but a malach kept turning it back to the page about Mordechai), etc etc. everything was perfectly orchestrated.
So the point is, as kapusta said, if we’re zocheh, and we are chozer b’teshuva with eachother and to Hashem, then be”H the puppet strings will be pulled to our good – with all world leaders and all world events. But chas v’shalom, if not….well let’s just say that Barack “HUSSEIN” Obama does not bode well for us, and the default “teva” looks pretty bleak for us…
At the same time we shouldn’t despair, and the Chofetz Chaim said we cannot change the world, we can only change ourselves, which he did himself, and he ended up actually changing the world. So let’s do our best to get to work on ourselves….
Heshy –
“I think there are more productive things to do with once time. Have you ever seen any Gadolim (Like Rav Shach) visit or recommend going? “
this post is actually quite laughable! While your point is a very true and noble one, do you see gedolim utilizing their time with hours on YWN, or internet bichlal for that matter, or reading newspapers, books, etc (we won’t even mention the “M” word, that some pple c”v still watch, “at least on airplanes”, or vid games, etc that eat up our time) – would gedolim spend time doing any of the above when they could be spending the short time we have in this world either learning torah or being oseik in mitzvos of some sort??
Then again, perhaps I shouldn’t criticize, as any stride in the right direction is a step closer to Hashem & his ratzon….so for now, saying goodbye to the CR, to try to utilize my time for avodas Hashem…
I have hakoras hatov to you, Heshy, for the wake up call…
lesschumras – that’s only if you are looking to attack. Anyone who knows torah and isn’t trying to disprove anything or rationalize actions against the Torah (ask Joseph) knows when I do post it’s generally to argue a point for kavod hatorah or ratzon hashem.
But I AM setting myself up for a stira by being on here, instead of davening and tending to my house/work as much, so I hope not to be on here much longer and start using my life more productively….then there will not be voices of emes hatorah on here and everyone can argue their anti torah rationales and support eachother in it, and hopefully I and the few who are lsheim shamayim (as far as I can tell like Joseph, the Big One, and a few others) will end up living our lives lsheim shamayim not wasting it on here – and the arguers will be free to bring up kfira (read anything against what our gedolim say) without a conscience on here to impinge on your rights!
Not sure what everyone will do once we’re gone, but that’ll be their problem…they’ll probably be happy to have support in their skewed hashkafos – if everyone would just as their Rav their “kashos” and live by that, most of these threads (at least the ones with machlokes) wouldn’t be necessary and we would all be in a better place…maybe even Mashiach would finally come!
Disclaimer: the above does not apply to anyone asking their own G-d fearing Rav and living their life by it, even if it is different that those who are lsheim shamayim are saying. We can only say what we know based on our rabbonim…but derech hatorah is asking your own rav and living by it, not arguing and “coming up with emes” which is really sheker from debate with the laymen…
000646 – when they argue on some1 from before them, it’s because they have a precedent (or derech) that was set by SOMEONE in an earlier generation, so it is true. I won’t argue this with you, ask a Rav.
as far as minhag hamakom we seem to agree – just, as I said in a different post, this is decide as per derech hatorah by our rabbonim, not our immoral surroundings!
pple are ignoring the obvious here – often the wife can get a job and its still not enough to support the family! (as obviously some pple here keep posting, how both they & husbands work, and they don’t have enough for themselves forget to support a kollel couple too…) It goes both ways…
thanks Joseph – nice to have one “voice” not attacking me 🙂
000646- btw, please see my response in “random Qs” to your other Qs…
as far as this, now u are much clearer, thank you! I got all of it, except the last sentence – I’m not sure what u want me to prove, but overall I do agree with what you wrote – things change based on minhag hamakom and different generations (ie even for men I’m sure moshe rabbeinu and the avos dressed differently than current charedim, but I’m just as sure that if they lived today they’d dress the way venerable rosh yeshivas do today).
The caveat emptor here is when you say “if it is no longer considerd by society to show hefkeirus and be prust wich is the only reason it was ossur in the first place it should now be muttar”, the problem is the age old question (at least on these threads!) of who “society” is, and if you are saying that the demoral goyish society should be “kovea” minhag hamakom for us, in which case we should not be dressed almost at all! In meah shearim the minhag hamakom is one way, in lakewood another, in florida another, and in africa another….but the people who ARE kovea it, l’fi DAAS TORAH, are the gedolim of our generation and/or the local G-d fearing rabbonim of that place.
gaw:
first & foremost, thanks for the welcome 🙂
I wasn’t talking about the Shoah or Pritzus (at least not in this thread 🙂 still waiting to hear from 000646 in the Random Qs thread), I was addressing Yitzy’s arguments for Torah with work.
I don’t have nevuah, but I do have a response to your first Q, but it has to do with ABCs of yiddishkeit and a lengthy explanation, based on chazal, and since it nighttime in Israel I have to go get a decent night’s sleep – but I do hope to address it at a later point. I will suffice to say at this point, that you can be assured that the torah has a response for everything, and the “hamon am”‘s opinions cannot be the gauge for what is right and wrong.
As far as the second Q, I am not sure what you are talking about and would like to verify the facts for myself, and what he meant, and who it was addressed to, as well as which gadol it was – is that R’ Shtaynman? – do you have a link to an article or a source for reading up on it?
I am also curious what hora’as sha’ah you heard in regards to the Shoah?
In case you don’t see me in a while it will mean I have won over my yetzer hara and will be having a productive day tomorrow 🙂 otherwise, if he wins the battle (but not the war!) I will respond tomorrow AM here 🙁 but then I hope to be able to say goodbye soon.. :p
Right, but the debate going on right here is not between Rav Kanievsky, the Satmar Rebbe, Rav Scheinberg and Rav Elyashiv, (or any other gedolim for that matter,) and those who ARE immersed in Torah in our generation DO say what I mentioned in my last post, and they (not us) have the authority to say whether a hora’as sha’ah which overrides that mishnah applies today or not. And each person should ask the advice of their own Rav as to what they should be doing.
IMHO, it sounds like you have an agenda here and won’t hear anything I have to say – in which case as Rav Chaim Brisker would say “you don’t have questions, you have answers”. The only reason I bother giving a response is for the others reading these posts, that they shouldn’t be mislead by your conclusions (read agendas). But my kavannos are l’sheim shamayim, and while people should do the right things for them (as their Rav helps them ascertain, I am beginning to feel like a broken record), my concern is for the heilige yidden reading this to keep the right perspective of priorities in Hashem’s eyes (and the Torah’s eyes, as per our gedolim). If you want to take issue with the gedolim go ahead and give them a call :p – but in all seriousness on this forum realize you have a huge achrayus for everyone reading the thread if you want to air out your opinions to the hamon am – without a Rav who is a Yarei Shamayim IN OUR GENERATION who agrees with you and back you up.