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Many people line their lace tops and they are not see through. And still all the ads saying they are assur specify that even the lined ones are not okay.
You don’t want to see it- don’t look.
I have too much seminary pride to say there’s anything that compares to it 🙂
But I’d say Bnos Sara is similar- definitely much more yeshivish though.
I lived with a kosher phone and really filtered internet in Israel. We had computers with pretty much just Gmail and Skype. And I can honestly say it 100% added to my year. It was so refreshing to be out with your friends and have no one on their phones. Don’t let that stop you from an incredible year in an incredible seminary.
I went to Machon Raaya. It’s a very frum but not so yeshivish place. My year was 50% out of town and I loved that. It was a ton of work but you only go there if you are willing to push yourself and if you know you’re smart enough. The girls are very open minded and pretty laid back. one of the best decisions I’ve ever made.
Nu, anyone have any decent ideas? Which seminary is for frum yeshivish, some out of town, folks, that teaches strong yeshivish hashkafos, but isn’t an academic pressure cooker where you’ll have to write 1700 reports a week.
For your criteria I’d say somewhere like Ateres or Seminar. But that’s frum yeshivish. She’s not looking for a frum yeshivish place. No seminary on the Bais Yaakov spectrum allows Internet access.
I never realized how fun it would be to share funny dating stories. I have a whole bunch of them for you guys!
-I was in the Five Towns area and he picked me up. We were supposed to be driving to Manhattan but he got so lost and we ended up in New Jersey. It took three hours to get from my house to Manhattan. And it killed me that I knew the way but didn’t want to seem like an annoying backseat driver. So after the first four times I directed him I had to shut up and deal with it. It took every ounce of self control to not say anything when he took the wrong highway and bridge.
-I dated a guy who wore really really nice shoes. Then I dated a guy who wore the same really really nice shoes. And it turned out they were in the yeshiva dorm together and one had borrowed them from the other.
Then I have a couple of really funny and awkward ones but I’m scared to say them because for sure one of those guys are on here and that would just be embarrassing.
I was on a second date and he drove down a one way looking for parking and found a spot. But it was head in, slanted parking and since he drove the wrong way, I knoew there was no way it was going to happen. He started maneuvering himself in and after about five minutes of me cringing and trying not to yell at him, he totally scraped the whole side of the car next to us. An irate passerby banged on his window and started yelling at him, asking if he even had a license and knew how to drive. I was so mortified. And then the man reached through the window and took the wheel and maneuvered him out. And then my date just drove away. Didn’t even get out to check the damage. And parked two blocks away. His car was bad,y scratched so I imagine the other one was as well. That was not very impressive.
First couple of dates are pretty much school, yeshiva, Israel stories, family, work, college…
Third date is like the first 2 but more relaxed. And you can have the music/movies conversation. What you do and the hashkafic reasons behind it. But other than that, don’t get too into hashkafa until the fourth date.
Fourth date you can talk about where you’d want to live, what kind of home you want to build…
Fifth date you talk about all the whys from the date before.
Sixth date you should already try to be opening up more- maybe saying something a little more personal or something that might make you feel vulnerable.
And then from there you really shouldn’t have to plan conversation.
When I dated, there were a couple of guys (including my husband) that on a 5th or 6th date, when we were really comfortable with one another, we’d just have question asking time. Like anything we were curious about, we asked. Those dates were always the best for me because it initiated some really amazing conversations and if you’re willing to be honest, it helps make a more personal connection.
Some people are at their worst on first dates.
Most people try to present the best possible version of themselves on the first date. So if they’re awful on the first date, that’s not a good sign. You can say some people might be at their most awkward on their first date and may come across as strange or whatnot. But it’s a bad sign if they’re at their worst.
It’s not that hard to get accepted to. I don’t know of anyone who didn’t get in. I believe if you have above an 85 average from high school they’ll accept you. If you’ll pay them, they’ll give you a degree. I got a 50% academic scholarship just from my SAT scores. And I didn’t do that well. So I’d consider them pretty generous.
1. The weddings halls are overbooked, the maternity wards are crowded and the pre-schools are packed – are you sure there is a crisis. I’ll believe there is a crisis when Maimonides Hospital announces it is closing its maternity ward due to lack of customers, when I read about wedding halls trying to find a new use for their facility, and hear about schools closing due to a shortage of students.
First of all, don’t bring proof that there isn’t a shidduch crisis with the amount of babies people are having. That doesn’t mean there aren’t an overwhelming amount of people out there who are unable to find a shidduch. That means people are having lots of babies. And the fact that wedding halls are overbooked could just as well mean there are too few wedding halls. Not a proof either.
What you said is like saying- There isn’t a recession, look at all those millionaires out there. Look at the thriving markets for luxury cars, homes, yachts and vacations. That doesn’t negate the starving and homeless. Not that I’m equating being single to being starving and homeless.
“But if I ask you what is the most important aspect of a car you are looking to buy, you don’t say 4 wheels.”
Well yeah. Because it’s a given that the car has 4 wheels. You wouldn’t consider it if not. Same with middos.
There’s one on Flatbush Ave and K I think. Or if not K then somewhere right near there.
cinderella:
“No one I know has ever been said no to because of their seminary.”
How can you know that no one ever turned down a shidduch with someone you know because of what seminary they went to?
(How could even they themselves know?)
Looks like you’re finished discussing this but I wanted to clarify- you’re right, I can’t know. I should have said as far as I know.
than, the boys wanna make sure that they will marry a girl from a good sem, and so then they only go out with girls from BJJ or hadar! AND THAN PEOLPE WONDER WHY THERE IS A SHIDDUCH CRISIS!!!
I don’t know where you’re getting your information from but no. Just no. I didn’t go to BJJ or Hadar and I’ve dated really good boys. I have friends who didn’t go to those supposed Ivy League seminaries and they are happily married to amazing boys. Stop making things up. No one I know has ever been said no to because of their seminary.
Related to the OP, is it acceptable to refuse to answer questions from an anonymous caller?
Yes. I’ve done it. Not because I really care giving the information but lihachis.
Whoa, I used to post a lot. I remember this thread.
Sounds vaguely familiar.
Ummm…awkward. I don’t know what it means actually.
I went to Machon Raaya a few years ago. I think I once posted a long post about it if you want to try to find that. But if you have any specific questions I’d be happy to answer.
Does anyone know the name of the concept that we never physically experience something, only our sensual perception of that thing?
(Unless perhaps during an out-of-body/near-death experience…)
George Berkeley’s theory of immaterialism?
Popa- Why exactly do you not plan on sending your daughters to seminary in Israel?
Certain colors are known to have certain psychological effects – if we assume that our brains’ emotional responses to “objective” colors are uniform, then if enough of us were not seeing the same colors the same way, this could not have been an observable phenomenon.
The thing with color psychology is that it could definitely be affected by factors such as personal preference and experiences, culture and whatnot. But then I Googled and read about it for a while and some people say what I am and some say it’s a consistent physiological reaction. So I don’t know. But I never thought about that so thank you.
It’s kind of like the sight thing. I call the sky blue. I have been taught since I was a child that the sky and things that are the same color are called “blue”. We’ve all been taught that. So you call the sky and similarly colored things blue as well. But maybe you’re really seeing what I know as yellow. Maybe our eyes interpret the colors differently but we’ve all been shown the same objects and taught their colors. But our colors could all be different.
But there is no way to know. You can only know what you’re seeing and what you’re feeling. And to compare wouldn’t work. Because we all define happiness based on how we’ve been taught happiness feels. So when you were an infant and someone gave you a cookie and said “Now aren’t you happy?”, you learned that whatever you were feeling then was happiness. And that it feels good. But that could be completely different from what I was feeling.
And this could go on forever. We can doubt everything we know and feel. But there’s nothing we can do about it.
Don’t you find it offensive that unmarried people are called “singles” as if it defines them?
Just as offensive as married people being called “husband”, “wife”, or “couples” as if it defines them. We’re talking about their marital status, what else are you supposed to say?
A girl who watches her prime years pass by because she only considers Lakewood and no college has herself to blame.
I disagree with you. I don’t think that a girl who is only looking for a Lakewood type boy with no college has herself to blame. That’s what she is looking for. If you want to say that there are more girls looking for learning boys than there are learning boys, that’s okay. The girls who won’t go out with working boys are not at fault here.
I think the problem with the whole system is that there are more “good” girls than there are “good” boys. And I think that is partly because the girls school system is better than the boys yeshiva system. And also because it is easier to be a “good” girl than it is to be a “good” boy.
The boy found the most proper indiscreet manner to courteously end their association.
Courteous?! Are you serious? Sending a text to end a relationship is the least courteous way I can think of. It’s rude, disrespectful and insulting.
The girl should not expect a romantic, goyish ‘breakup’.
I’m sorry, I think that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard in a while. A phone call is too much of chukas hagoyim for you? I’m pretty sure this lack of decency is more Hollywoodesque than a phone call and an explanation would have been.
I wouldn’t go out with a boy who is shorter than me (without heels- 5″5). I like to wear 4-5 inch heels which puts me at 5″9 so I’d rather him be that height or taller.
It bothers the guys just as much, if not more, when the girl is taller. Most guys will not even consider a shidduch with a girl who is taller than him.
Only once was I taller than a boy on a date, because he was not the 5″10 his resume said he was, and I was really uncomfortable. I’m pretty sure he was too.
I’d say Far Rockaway is the better of the two. But I’m biased. Bayswater has its nice blocks and the area right on the bay is beautiful but a large portion of it isn’t very pleasant. The neighborhood bordering Far Rockaway and Bayswater is pretty scary. Bayswater does have more affordable housing.
Far Rockaway is mostly Jewish- a lot of shuls, yeshivos and schools. The community is a varied one- there are a lot of younger families living there and a few shuls catering to them. It has the LIRR-a fifty minute ride to Penn, and the A train but that takes an hour and a half to Manhattan.
It used to be a very close knit community- not so much anymore just by extension of the fact that is way larger than it ever was.
You get the best of both in Far Rockaway- a nice New York community that’s just a little out of all the overwhelmingness of Brooklyn and Manhattan.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
I have a poetic license
So there.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
I have a poetic license
Washing machine
There is a fantastic Ted Talk speech on psychopathy. Go watch it.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
I have a poetic license
Marshmallow
Esther wasn’t the most beautiful girl in the land.
Yacmo- we are talking about divorce in the frum world. Not in your ten block radius. That provides a valid representation for that area. To say that those same statistics apply to the rest of the frum world is inaccurate.
We live in a disposable generation. Why bother to fix something when you can just get a new one?
Stop using your biases to prove your non-factual statistics. Using the people you know doesn’t prove anything about anyone but the people you know.
TorahMom- it’s a ridiculous factor in your decision because every seminary has girls who had internet access, supervised or not.
Also, no offense taken. Doesn’t matter to me where your daughter goes.
It’s not being safe to not consider a seminary that has girls who had internet access. Safe is not allowing your own daughter access.
Every single seminary will have girls who had internet access while still in high school. What a ridiculous factor in your decision.
I went to Machon Raaya. I had internet access in high school. As did all my friends. So you can now take Machon Raaya off your list of potential seminaries.
Streekgeek- me?
You say that the issue with hiring a housekeeper is that she doesn’t need it, she wants it.
So that’s my problem here. You don’t feel like you need it. That’s great but she feels that she does. You refusing her this because you don’t feel it’s an absolute necessity is plain mean. You’re putting your needs before hers.
Okay, listen. Your wife of less than one year is carrying your child. She does not want to clean. She may not have the energy to clean. Regardless, GET HER CLEANING HELP. Stop getting stuck on your stupid reasoning.
So what you do now is go run buy roses. Then pick up ice cream. Then bring both to your tired wife. As you massage her feet, tell her how you’ve suddenly realized how stupid you’ve been and how getting her cleaning help is your new top priority
Stop the guilt trip hashkafa speeches they don’t get through to people.
If you’re feeling guilty, they’re obviously getting through to you.
Which I know isn’t true just they think it is or they want to think it is. (Internet, facebook)
This is an absurd way to view things. You sound like you’re in denial. If you don’t respect their opinions, and if you’re not mature enough to understand their point of view, don’t listen to them.
Step 1: Make regular cookies.
Step 2: Put in twice as much chocolate chips as you normally do.
Voila! Double Chocolate Chips!
Diet Doctor Pepper. A Super Double Big Gulp of it.
I once read in one of the Jewish magazines that you are not supposed to share anything negative about yourself with your spouse. The author of the article gave the example of how you should not say something like “I’m so bad at math. I failed it in high school.”
Because then he may think badly of you. Except I think this is a bit extreme.
When I was in seminary, me and my friends stayed at someone’s empty apartment for Shabbos. We didn’t know them at all. We were four girls and they had left instructions for us to sleep in the master bedroom and the guest room. And they hadn’t taken the linen off. So I found myself sleeping on the mans bed. On top of his linen. I hadn’t brought my own because they had told us it wasn’t necessary. They had another bedroom so it wasn’t a space problem.
I dunno. I would have preferred them locking the master bedroom door.
Okay, I’m sorry. I can’t really take you seriously. Firstly, you sound like a grumpy old man. Let the children have their fun. Defacement? Seriously?
Also, you used the word Mishkebabled . Sophisticated argument you make there.
I just don’t get how frum people just copy the non Jews with everything.
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Cook.and bake. It’s surprisingly effective.
I’ve only been able to find it in Israel. But it should be pretty easy to make. Crushed tomatoes, crushed red pepper, garlic, a little mayo… Play around with the recipe.