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” it appears that the Modern Orthodox world denies the dangers involved in attending higher education”
That isn’t completely true. I have personally heard Rabbi Tzvi Hersh Weinreb, former Executive VP of the OU, who himself has a Ph.D., speak very strongly about the dangers.
” our Torah leadership forbids these courses”
Actually it is a machloket. There are many gedolim with university educations. And even some Rishonim (Rambam and Sforno) attended universities.
The use of the quote from Rambam to argue against secular study is highly disingenuous. It refers to study of idolatry, not secular subjects in university. Rambam himself attended University in Morocco and mastered Greek and Islamic philosophy, science, and medicine. And he urged those who could to study science in order to more better appreciate HaShem’s creation.
$400K??????
“our ancestors did not eat Pizza in Europe “
Pizza is actually an ancient food originating in the Mediterranean region, although it didn’t get tomato sauce until about 500 years ago. (Tomatoes are native only to the Western Hemisphere.) The word pizza is relatively more recent, but covering flatbread with cheese, olive oil, and seasonings is documented in ancient times. I guarantee you that our ancestors in Eretz Yisrael ate it long before there were any Jews in Eastern Europe at all.
“Being that being a Nazi was a status of cultural pride, together with their quality products, it was passed in many families from generation to generation.”
Nonsense. The Nazi party only existed for slightly more than 25 years.
Hertz was founded in 1918 by Walter Jacobs, a Jew who lived in Chicago. He sold it in 1923 to John Hertz, a Jewish immigrant from Hungary. In 1926 Hertz sold the company to General Motors. GM sold it in 1953 and the company became independent. Jacobs continued to run the company until he retired in 1960; both Hertz and GM had more and bigger other business ventures. In 1967 Hertz was bought by RCA, whose chairman David Sarnoff was a Jewish immigrant from Belarus. In 1985, RCA was bought by GE, who immediately sold Hertz to the company that owned United Airlines. Ford would buy Hertz over a seven year period beginning in 1987. Ford spun if off in 1997 and bought it back in 2001. Ford sold it again to private investors in 2005 who took it public in 2006. Hertz bought Dollar and Thrifty within the past decade. The largest stockholder today is Carl Icahn, who owns about 9% of the company. Icahn is Jewish.
(I wish I had been the investment banker getting the commissions on all those flips of the company.)
“Please first pour them into chocolate milk bottles to lessen the likelihood of law enforcement busting you for shipping alcoholic beverages. “
Are you serious?
“are there Jews in Anchorage? “
Yes. I spent a Shabat there this past summer. There is a Chabad there that has a preschool and a Jewish museum.
They end Shabat at 2:05am for much of the summer.
‘I do know there have been “issuirim” about eating such things as sushi (because its not a “Jewish Food”) ‘
If it is kosher then it is a Jewish food.
Yes. Unlike in America, there is no attempt to systematically deny voting rights to people who might vote the way that the leaders don’t like.
“So some Obama haters hate him because he’s anti Israel, and others hate him because he’s pro Israel? “
Yup. Stormfront, the neo-nazi website, said early in Obama’s term, “he is powerless without his support system, and it apparently is AIPAC”.
And the guy who dreamed up the “Obama is a Muslim” lie, Andy Martin, compared Operation Cast Lead to the Rape of Nanjing and the attack on Guernica in the Spanish Civil War.
These are the people that the Obamahaters here are giving aid and comfort to.
“President Bush had his faults too and I admit there were things he did that I didn’t agree with(withdrawing from Gaza)”
Bush didn’t withdraw from Gaza. Sharon did.
“It happens because ten thousand people getting minor side effects is nothing to the government, while 20 lives of elderly people and infants that are saved is something to them.”
You are questioning the wisdom of saving 20 lives at the cost of minor side effects?
Are you serious???
“Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg never got a degree “
True. But both went to Harvard and started their businesses while they were students there.
‘Would you similarly say, “You know that Christiehaters have nothing serious to say against Christie when they bring up weight.”?’
Yes, I would.
“Its definately not a good thing that its known that the jews dont support him “
Actually, the exit polls were pretty consistent in showing that Obama got the votes of about 70% of Jews in the last election. The Republican Jewish Coalition exit poll even showed him winning by 4% over Romney among Orthodox Jews. Many Republicans are trying to make Israel a partisan issue and Baruch HaShem they are failing.
“Look at the leftist brainwashing taking place on college campuses.”
There isn’t much of that going on. At today’s college campuses, there is so much partying and drinking that students aren’t susceptible to being swayed by much of anything. 🙁
‘A “bais yaakov type girl”, like any other girl on the planet, can obtain proper training and become an accountant, a nurse, a lawyer, an architect, a doctor, engineer, pharmacist, dentist, physical therapist, programmer or one of a million other professions out there.’
I know two bais yaakov graduates who went to medical school and are now practicing physicians, and a third who went to law school and works today as a lawyer.
” However freedom of speech still exists unless you say something untrue”
Under US law you can even say things that are false; although you might get sued you won’t be imprisoned. However, while secular law has no penalties against false and defamatory attacks on against public figures unless they are made with actual malice, halachah may be a lot more strict here. The motzi shem ra that Obama is either a Marxist, or a Muslim, or not born in the US would seem to be particularly problematic.
“I think this is the first time ive ever heard that said before “
The anti-Semite who dreamed up the “Obama is a Muslim lie did so because he didn’t like Obama having so many Jews as close advisors and didn’t like Obama’s support for Israel.
But you can also find similar sentiments on the internet sites of the Arab and Iranian rashaim.
“We have someone who prioritizes golf to major world events”
Eisenhower played far more golf than Obama, and Wilson far more golf than Eisenhower. It can be seriously argued that Wilson won a World War while playing golf! And before then, John D. Rockefeller, Sr. became the richest man in the world while playing golf. You know that Obamahaters have nothing serious to say against Obama when they bring up golf.
” He also gave us Obamacare, an absolute wrecking of the health care scene”
The truth is of course the opposite of what you say. Obamacare made it possible for the first time for people with pre-existing health conditions to get health insurance. In the states that took the program seriously, like New York and Kentucky, individual insurance costs dropped and coverage expanded. And the spectacular increases in healthcare costs that had been destroying business after business and threatening the entire US economy have been curbed.
“(immigration, open borders,”
You clearly aren’t a Jew, or at least you don’t think like one. Would that Franklin Roosevelt had risked impeachment in the late 1930s to protect illegal immigrants the way Obama is doing! Jews have always depended on open borders to survive!!!
” it irritates me when opponents make fat jokes about Governor C
Christie “
Me, too. I don’t like Gov. Christie’s policies or his attitude but the fat jokes are completely out of line. It would serve Democrats right were he to be elected President after a backlash of sympathy for the unfair abuse. A lot of Americans struggle with weight and this is nothing to laugh about.
“according to ur definition is call Mr. Obama a secret muslim, bashing him “
I don’t know if it is bashing him or not, but it is motzi shem ra. It is also spreading a lie started by an anti-Semite.
“there is never a case where I can a priori know that not vaccinating is the right option or even close to a legitimate option. “
Actually there are such rare cases, mostly allergic reactions to a previous dose of the same vaccine. The number of such cases is vanishingly small. But for everyone else not covered by a specific contraindication, it is always better to vaccinate as there are no longer any vaccines given in the US that have major risks. (Indeed the form of the polio and pertussis vaccines have been changed to make them less effective in order to reduce the already low risk of severe adverse side effects down to essentially zero.)
My wife has been boycotting sheitels since we got married ten years ago. She is very makpid to always cover her head with a hat or scarf whenever she leaves the house or when we have guests. And by doing so she is in accordance with more halachic opinions than women who wear wigs. (And she has an entire closetfull of hats and scarves for a total cost of less than a single human hair wig.)
” But that individuals may, in some circumstances, be better off with not vaccinating with various immunizations despite the fact that everyone can agree society at large IS better off. “
And that selfishness is what will kill people. It certainly isn’t an attitude that Judaism supports. It is a shonda that some of the recent outbreaks of vaccine-preventable disease have been in frum communities.
“HPV literally has no effect on men”
Not true; it causes warts and some horrible cancers.
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It is one shul, which may not represent the position of other shuls. So if your rav doesn’t like the standards there, don’t attend a simcha there.
But more importantly is that the standards don’t say what FrumRav claims. For example, this is the entirety of the Frozen Vegetables statement:
“All frozen vegetables are acceptable, EVEN WHEN THEY DO NOT BEAR ANY CERTIFICATION, with the exception of: Brussels Sprouts, Artichokes and Asparagus.
Frozen Broccoli is acceptable as long as IT IS NOT FROM MEXICO.”
FrumRav deliberately misled us by not mentioning the exceptions. And that is my last comment on this thread because I won’t argue with people who can’t be trusted to tell the truth.
Never seen or heard of a document by that title.
” Open Orthodox Standards because of this : All frozen vegetables are acceptable”
Source for this?
Star-K permits most canned fruit without a hechsher. From an article on the cRc web site by Tzvi Rosen, Star-K kashrut administrator:
“canned fruits can be purchased without kosher certification if the following conditions are met:
1. The fruits are packed in water, light or heavy syrup and do not have fruit juice listed as an ingredient;
2. They are not colored with natural colors; and
3. The fruits are not products of Israel.
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I happened to have had occasion to ask the Hebrew Institute of Riverdale what hechshers they permitted for shul events. Here is the list:
Kof K
OK
OU
Rabbi Wosner
Rabbinical Council of Bergen County
Star-K
Vaad of Queens
Vaad of Riverdale
You all have this wrong. The Chancellor of Germany and the President of Switzerland both skipped the march, as did the President of the United States and the Prime Minister of Canada. Frum publications would never mislead us. The Chancellor of Germany and President of Switzerland were photoshopped into the picture to give ammunition to the people who hate Barack Obama and wanted to blast him for skipping the march; it is harder to criticize him when so many other world leaders did the same thing.
Adereth El on East 29th Street between Third and Lexington. (It has been at that location for over 150 years.) Their website has the times of services.
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I think I figured it out. When First Day Rosh HaShanah falls out on Shabat and Rosh Chodesh Kislev is one day, then Chanukah will start on Friday and Parshat Miketz will be read on the Shabat following the end of Chanukah.
“correct me if I’m wrong, I think it’s called bitul Torah to involve oneself with Neviim and Kesuvim instead of Gemarah”
Learning NaCh is Talmud Torah assuming you learn it according to the understanding of our sages rather than the heretics.
” many of us don’t devote much time to NaCh”
The OU’s Nach Yomi program is actually finishing Navi today. I am a day behind and will finish on Shabat.
“One cannot blindly quote Nach. By doing so, one tramples on the very lessons that Nach is meaning to teach”
Actually it is worse than that. Our halachic tradition is based on the mishnah and gemara. By following Nach literally without regard to how it is interpreted by our sages you have placed yourself outside the pale of normative Rabbinic Judaism.
If you are going to insist that we follow the Rambam on women not leaving the home and thus not working, there if you are intellectually honest there would be no issue regarding women (or, for that matter, the government) supporting full time learners because the Rambam forbade learning Torah without a parnassah.
“what about people addicted to alcohol/drugs”
Nobody sets out to become an addict, and if they could control their use of drugs or alcohol it would not be an addiction.
“It should be noted that the medical professions generally make more money by treating deseases, especially with drugs and surgery, then from preventing them through lifestyle counseling.”
This is true but it isn’t their fault. Insurance companies will pay for lung cancer treatment but won’t pay a doctor to spend 15 minutes with a patient to talk about how important it is to quit smoking.
“A good speech with a teleprompter”
Other than California Gov. Jerry Brown, who ad-libs almost all his speeches and doesn’t employ speechwriters other than his wife, what other politician in America doesn’t use a teleprompter to deliver prepared speeches that someone else wrote? For example, the best speeches of Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush were written by Peggy Noonan.
“I wonder how much meaningful information and detail can be provided in a 140 character message that a Rov would feel comfortable answering. “
Rav Aviner publishes his text message responsa. Many have even been translated into English by his students. You can go online and learn his Torah-by-text message and see for yourself.
Nowhere near as painful as dying from influenza (thousands of Americans do die from it each year) or pertussis, or measles. Polio isn’t necessarily painful you just will never walk (or, in some cases, breathe) on your own ever again.
” We naturally resent other people’s dishonesty”
That you even start an anti-vaccine shows that you buy into the anti-vaccine nonsense that was started by one of the most dishonest physicians in history, Andrew Wakefield, whose fraudulent data started the anti-vaccine movement. That is certainly not honest.
“If there is no validity to their arguments, prove it factually and efficiently”
It has been proven. Furthermore, the guy who originally claimed that vaccines were associated with autism was proven to have been a fraudster; he has lost his medical license. All this is easy to verify on the internet for anyone who doesn’t buy into all the nutty conspiracy theories about government and the pharmaceutical industry, a set of conspiracy theories that have as much basis in fact as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Sam2’s point is well taken — it is about as worthwhile to argue with anti-vaxxers as it is to argue with holocaust deniers.
“joining shadchan websites”
I was living in New York City but my wife was living “Out of town” when she contacted me through one of the frum dating websites. Baruch HaShem we are coming up on ten years of marriage soon.
I didn’t know that there were so many frum Jews that we could afford to divide into this many subcategories.
“if you don’t vote, you get the worst of the worst. Can you say Obama boys and girls? “
Obama’s election in 2008 was with the highest percentage turnout since 1968 and the highest numerical turnout ever.
“we don’t want to cooperate with the tzionim”
Yes you do, as long as they give you money!
When the Yiddish speaking Ashkenazic Jews from Eastern Europe arrived in the Holy Land in the early 19th century, how did they communicate with the Sephardic Jews who had been there for 500+ years and may never have even heard of Yiddish, much less speak or write it?