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  • in reply to: Binah-Shidduch Issue #682608
    bein_hasdorim
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    Sound interesting, I’ll B”H check it out!

    in reply to: WHY??? (random philosophical questions) #1115720
    bein_hasdorim
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    why is it that when you’re walking with a Yingeleh after it has rained,

    and you take the long route making it absolutely impossible for him

    to step into a puddle,

    he still manages to get his little foot situated above

    a geshmakeh (for him not me) puddle…..

    and stomp down B’chol Koichoy!

    SPLASH!!! Managing to get everybody in the vicinity full of mud?

    However, the smile on his face after achieving that … is priceless! 😉

    in reply to: Welcome YW Moderator-105 #671659
    bein_hasdorim
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    Shulem Aleichem 105! I still havent figured out the sequence…….

    don’t worry though we have our best, on the job.

    Welcome to the CR! Can I offer you virtual doughnuts, & a cup of coffee?

    in reply to: Most Common Frum First Names? #671382
    bein_hasdorim
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    The most popular name is… “Harav!” Seems today Bli A”H there are more

    rebbes than laymen. I guess now, moshiach can come!

    in reply to: Most Uncommon Frum Names #740859
    bein_hasdorim
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    Gamliel

    even though there is a famous rov & mekubal in EY,

    it still is very uncommon.

    then there is Odam,

    Sheim Chom, Yofes, Enosh, Cain, Hevel, Lemech,

    Zurich, Gimpel, Zlateh,

    Eisav, Elifaz, Lavan, Besuel, Oig, Golias,

    Women, there’s

    Zeresh, Vashti, Machsheifa, and……..Shviger

    a combination of Shvi as in “to sit” Gur as in “to live”

    Cuz she bazetzes herself wherever she wants, as if she owns the place.

    Then, she marks her territory and you could forget about her leaving,

    If anybody is leaving, it’s you!

    in reply to: Funny Shidduch Stories #1227281
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    Ok funny story, guy driving home from yeshivah passes two girls stuck with a flat tire, pulls over to help, strikes up a conversation with one of them, ends up knowing a relative, she sends a thank you gift, he calls back to thank her,

    they end up schmoozing, meet for coffee, have it redt by aunt, they go out,

    they end up getting…………..hold on…….it’s still pending. 😉

    in reply to: Joseph vs squeak Nittul Nacht Chess #1121538
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    coming up this thursday again acording to some.

    You have to understand, some people are very machmir when it comes to this Minhag.

    in reply to: Singles Over the Age of 25 Should Deal Directly With the Shaddchan #671674
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    Ain Hochi Nami! I’m surprised and shocked that an individual aged 25 or older would still let their parents do the work that they themselves are suppose to be doing

    to find their match. Besides the point that parents try to live vicariously through

    thier children and are many times the very reason that their children aren’t

    able to find their basherteh, as theses parents meddle into personal physical

    traits of the girl or boy or family, which is not up to them to decide,

    thus weeding out possible matches which the parents dont like,

    but the boy or girl would like.

    This problem happens primarily under the circumstances that the OP points out.

    So, in an extended version of your original post, I totally agree.

    (Perhaps you should consider bumping up the age to 23 to promote some maturity.)

    in reply to: Good Bachurim Can Smoke?! What’s the Purim Heter? #671259
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    aj_briskdude: Yidden who smoke in public around other people are

    Choteh Umachti Es Horabim, be it Beratzon or Beshoygeig!!!

    Any young Shnook who started smoking in the past 15 years is

    (unless living in a bubble) was well aware of

    1) its dangers to health (which makes it an Issur D’oraisah)

    2) I’ts addictive nature. If almost every scientist and doctor says that if one

    drinks a cup of bleach or ammonia they are putting their life in danger,

    just because an idiot doesn’t believe them, that doesn’t make his choice to start

    smoking muttar even if his friend are doing it.

    (It doesn’t make him an Oines in my opinion either) rather a Shoiteh!

    Al tifoish min hatzibbur is not said when the tzibbur is being oiver Isurim.

    The diiference is only they dont immediately see the slow process of death

    for it is slow, that still makes them Shoitim.

    If the doctor told most of these boys they had one week left to live

    you would see how many would kick the habit, even the most addicted.

    This is different than those older people who are already dying

    and refuse to stop smoking. that is a choice they make not to lose

    the enjoyment they get cause they’re anyway on death’s doorstep.

    I apologize to any who feel I’m speaking to harshly, but I feel

    this is Sakanos Nefashos and a WAKE UP call is in order.

    By holding your hand and telling you it’s ok.. I understand….

    it will not help you get out of this miserable quicksand you stepped into.

    May HB”H give Sechel to all those nebach who need it, and help them

    see the light!!!

    in reply to: Post of the Year Contest #1146697
    bein_hasdorim
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    Ok people, the votes are in and “The Winner of the Post of the Year contest is

    ……………………….wait for it………………………………

    “bein_hasdorim!”

    with votes from;

    1)bein_hasdorim

    2)bein_hasedorim

    3)b_h

    4)Beinhasdorim

    5)bein hasdorim

    These are all legal names referring to bein_hasdorim, as the legally admissible

    archives of YWN CR can and do attest to these claims.

    A heartfelt thanks goes out to all my fans. My speech will be delivered via

    post on YWN CR live, with a slight on-air delay, after I receive my award.

    in reply to: WHY??? (random philosophical questions) #1115690
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    Thanks guys! Icot; you really gotta do some heimishe comedy.

    Afer having a repeat of my earlier dilemma with every sent post click.

    I just brainstormed an idea. Lemme know what you think guys.

    YWN coffee room web designers/mods etc… perhaps you can put a pop up after

    every poster clicks the “send post” button saying

    “are you sure you want to sent this post?” sort of like the prompt you get when deleting a file. If you are worried about those know it all’s that will just click

    yes without giving it a second though, I suggest you apply another prompt

    after the first one saying, “are you really sure?(smarty pants?)(is optional)

    in reply to: How To Respond to a Brocha/Mazel Tov #684243
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    They’re more like… using Their instead of They’re, as I have unintentionally demonstrated in the previous post.

    in reply to: How To Respond to a Brocha/Mazel Tov #684242
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    LOL! I make typos, but their not that off! 😉

    in reply to: How To Respond to a Brocha/Mazel Tov #684239
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    I had a bad experience with part two, when not used as directed.

    So I loook out for my peoples. 😉 OUCH! NOT AGAIN!!!

    in reply to: Old Days #672205
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    which joseph? the real one? the imposter? I don’t even remember anymore.

    I guess I’m middle aged too!

    in reply to: Crazy Shidduch Story #683766
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    happyOOTer; Thanks! I try.

    Cheerful; which ever way you choose, we wish you Hatzlocha!

    Stay cheerful. Positive energy is the key solving to any problem.

    in reply to: Most Moving Jewish Song In Your View #1096835
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    There are so many songs, Yedid Nefesh, IDK who sings it it’s an older one,

    though the other two are also very hartzig,

    Machnisei Rachamim,

    A Fried, Aleh katan Sheli,

    MBD, Neshomoleh.

    in reply to: Cholent Pot #767082
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    I always soak in lemon juice and boiling water for 5-10 minutes.

    then I pour it out and immediately rinse with cold water.

    The acidity of the lemon juice should neutralize the odor, as well as the hot water expands the pores of whatever the pot is made of to absorb it to a cetain extent.

    In addition, lemon juice smells better than vinegar.

    in reply to: How To Respond to a Brocha/Mazel Tov #684236
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    1)Im Yirtzeh Hashem Baaah Deeeer uooooof Simchas, Bekuuuriv Maaamish!!!

    2)Den you give a Big Vink Wit Di Eye,

    If to di opposite gender, den skip part 2.

    in reply to: Crazy Shidduch Story #683763
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    NY Mom; you are soo right! (I forgot there are moms reading this too!);-)

    actually in all fairness, there are dads out there, who might react more hysterical

    and unreasonable than any mother. Taking that into consideration,

    I humbly rephrase my statement

    1)Either start hinting to the parent which would react more reasonable

    that you are not satisfied with the boys you have been dating, if they could

    perhaps help you figure out why?

    in reply to: Shidduch World #1013859
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    Shidduch Solution; “College” i’m sorry too haifagirl.

    in reply to: Low Profile #670231
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    Hi, have no time for details,check in rishonim & meforshim in Parshas Vayishlach,

    when yaakov Avinu is bowing to Eisav, etc..Maasei Avos Siman Labonim.

    in reply to: Crazy Shidduch Story #683761
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    To Cheerful; I sincerely feel for you in the situation you’re in.

    I knew a girl with a similar situation. She didn’t communicate

    with her parents till it was too late.

    I have an idea that might help you convey your feelings to your parents

    in a subtle way. Tell them you had a conversation with a friend of yours.

    Tell them your friend has a friend that poured out her heart to her in cofidence.

    Tell them she said that her parents, siblings and friends are expecting her to

    marry a learning boy. She however is not looking for that type of boy,

    her parents and friends are clueless to this fact.

    Tell them her parents are not really the understanding type, and she has never told them for fear of them not understanding or being shunned.

    She is a little older now and she fears she will never get married for her parents expect her to marry what they want. Tell your parents that you are at a loss for words

    what kind of advice would they suggest you tell your friend.

    This will plant the seed in their mind about the possiblity of such a situation.

    Then you can also see their real opinion on the matter, without them feeling threatened or being biased.

    Do this Cheerful, in your own words of course, in a way that they are sure you

    are talking about a real story, about someone ELSE!

    a wee or so later you can do one of three things,

    1)Either start hinting to your (mother) or father rather, men are more rational, and wont be ruled by emotion, which will make your message easier to sink in.

    2)Confide in a rational, reasonable, aunt, uncle,mentor, or teacher, that will help you approach your parents with the reality

    of the situation.

    3)Tell them flat out, one time in front of both of them, and when they start protesting tell them that they’re contraditing their own advice regarding that fictitious girl (really you).

    This last approach is bold and is like pulling off a bandage stuck with hair off

    in one shot. don’t try it unless your ready for a shouting match,

    and if your parents are really unreasonable, pack a bag with clothes,

    and stay by a friend for a few days. A single one of course,

    wouldn’t want to start a whole other thread in CR with backlash on this comment.

    Hatzlocha Raboh!!! Remember the CR has your back!

    in reply to: #669851
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    Ggood PR. isn’t that how he got there in the first place,

    oh, and a gullible nation.

    in reply to: Crazy Shidduch Story #683724
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    Yes telegrok; I bought a new tie L’kovod the L’chaim IY”H.

    in reply to: Shidduch Parshah Question #669949
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    potsandpans; Bravo!!!!! I must thank you profusely for your last post.

    It’s about time someone told it as it is. I’m sick and tired of all these

    liberal, warped, distortion of reality that some people insist is the truth.

    If any of you would know of the current damage this liberal idea of let the boys

    hang out with the girls and form healthy (yeah right!) realationships with the girls etc.. has wreaked on our younger generation of girls and boys.

    HELLO People! Boys, immature as they are, will manipulate the girls, immature and insecure as they tend be, especially when they are younger. The boys manipulate

    them to get waht they want, leaving them broken, insecure, and scarred, for life

    which will lead to even bigger problems down the line unfortunately.

    If you dont know what is going on now with a large number our youth,

    due to liberal parents not educating their kids and preparing their kids,

    letting young teenagers run loose, meet whoever, whatever, wherever. etc..

    Hashem Yeracheim. Have some common sense people, PLEASE!!!

    in reply to: Children and Prizes–Hindering Intrinsic Self Worth #669835
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    positiveaynayim; Nobody will argue with you about the importance of verbal

    encouragement, proper chinuch, and letting the kids know there is more to

    yiddishkeit then all this the prizes and rewards, however, speaking from experience with kids, i can tell you that a prize/reward sweetens the deal, and kids

    always appreciate it if done in a proper way.

    1) working hard, 2)getting rewarded, 3)feeling the prize was deserved.

    It seem to me that you are not talking about prizes, rather about people who

    don’t know how to be proper mechanchim. Just like discipline is very necessary

    tool in Chinuch, however done the wrong way can be catastrophic.

    We need to educate our Teachers. A freilichin Chanukah!

    in reply to: Children and Prizes–Hindering Intrinsic Self Worth #669823
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    positiveaynayim; Totally diagree with you on this. It doesn’t have to be a big prize,

    If they earned that is. The generations are getting weaker and weaker,

    we need to keep them pumped on yiddishkeit and good behavior.

    If this means a chaep junky prize a day, so be it, it is a small price to pay,

    and a unworthy gamble to take a tough stance on this imo.

    in reply to: Chanukah Gelt 🕎💰 #669570
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    Es Shat Nisht far Di Kinderlach to look forward to Chanukah,

    as they do Purim, and Pesach for the afikoimen.

    Midoich sheloy lishmah boh Lishmah.

    in reply to: Let’s Get Spiritually Ready for Chanukah! #838384
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    Thank you so very much, Chashuveh Moderators, for correcting it.

    May you all be Zocheh to much Hatzlocha in all you endeavors!

    “Happy Erev Chanukah”!

    iiiiliiii

    LLLLVJJJJ

    ….Y….

    ___/T___

    in reply to: I have a BRILLIANT idea! #669520
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    oomis1105; You know him TOO?!!!

    haifagirl; Thanks, I tried to make a valid point though! 🙂

    ronrsr; Neither! His cousin once removed originally from the U.S. he made an aliyah

    to be more adventurous, for the book of course!

    in reply to: Is 3 Cups of Coffee a Day Too Much? #803436
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    bombmaniac;

    Hey I resent that! Perhaps I’m getting my other 50% caffeine boost from

    the vending machine Nestea. 😉

    in reply to: Applesauce For Latkes #1189192
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    APPLE SAUCE?!! ewww! I eat em plain or with some heinz ketchup.

    Shikur; if your going thru the trouble of making applesauce,

    why not add two tablespoon of bourbon?

    not for kids though, unless…. it’s past their bed time! 😉

    in reply to: GOTTA VENT !!! #669528
    bein_hasdorim
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    c.s.; I’m sorry to hear that you’re only dating weirdos, though I can tell you

    that you are getting at least 40% of the market redt to you. 40% are weird!

    I am embarrassed to say I was lol, at your venting, for it reminded be back in the

    good old days when I was dating, although they weren’t all weirdos,

    most of them were totally not my type. It was verryyy frustrating, and my parents

    were pressuring me to just take any girl, despite that they were not what I was looking for.

    Do not give in, wait till you find that normal boy that your looking for.

    I do agree that some boys and girls may come off as weird the first time around,

    being nervous, uncomfortable etc.. but usually they warm up to you,

    or they stay weird, beware of the latter.

    So I wish you hatzlocha, parents many times lose themselves in their personal

    struggles comparing themselves with friend and family that have already

    married off and can unintentionally come off as being hurtful, insensitive,

    and unreasonable, their human too! Don’t be direspectful, just understand

    their frustrations, and don’t get pressured to take a boy that you are not happy with.

    Sometime you have to go through some odd stuff, till you get to the right stuff.

    Like shopping. only longer and more expensive. with an unforgiving return policy.

    may we never know of that! 😉

    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    I’ve heard my opinions discussed by chasunas, bein_hasdorim claims that

    it is a din in the Gavrah. I almost choked, sprayed my soda across the table,

    then after getting weird looks from everyone at the table, I said what?

    That is ridiculous! everyone knows it is a din in the Cheftza! 😉

    in reply to: Dating Someone You’ve Already Dated #674796
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    itsallyourfault;

    It is normal, and happens many times the second time around.

    I know a guy that the third time around, both him and the same girl decided

    to go for it. I even know of a case where ther girl said no, the guy was still

    interested, asked the shadchan 8 girls later and turns out, after 5 boys later,

    the girl realized she made a mistake but was embarrassed to ask the S to retry, till S called girl. They’re happily married now.

    Do not e-mail, creepy and to forward. Don’t worry if yu get turned down,

    at least you tried and she know where you stand.

    (perhaps she has to go out with some more schlemiels, till she gets some sense.)

    in reply to: Shidduch Parshah Question #669929
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    hilary18;

    This is a very complicated matter. There are many factors to consider.

    Firstly though, if the boy wants a picture of the girl, he should provide

    a picture of himself too. If not, too bad! The girls is to get a preview

    just as much as the boy is. He has no right over her.

    Now, having said that, the main reason for this picture phenomenon,

    originally, is for boy who has to travel out of town for a girl.

    Which is an inconvenience, if it turns out that her looks aren’t to his satisfaction. This could’ve been avoided simply by looking at a picture of her.

    Problem

    1)

    There are some people who are not photogenic.

    They may have a major Chein, that just doesn’t register in a photo.

    2)There are also those who photograph well, though the friend redting the shidduch

    may have a bad photo of the girl. like eating salad, her mouth half open,

    which she thinks is cute, but you don’t. or a pic taking when she was yawning or blinking, which may make her look insane, though she isn’t.

    3)It could also be of when she was in high school and wasn’t so into her hair etc..

    Though now, a year later, she looks like a different person.

    So you really generally, can’t judge by a picture!!!

    I am an expert at getting a good idea of a person physically, from a picture,

    I even once told the shadchan that the girl was too tall based

    on a photo of her sitting down alone. Though he promised she wasn’t over

    5’10, I ended up being right, as I later found. On the date It was like deja vu.

    Then I remembered my visit to the safari and i calmed down.

    Though I must admit, there were times I was pleasantly surprised,

    even after seeing a photo and being very doubtful.

    So I suggest,(with serious experience in this matter) to anybody in the parsha,

    if you want to see a photo, use it just to get a general idea,

    and decide to give them a chance in person, no matter what.

    Except for instance if you are slim looking for a slim mate,

    and the photo reveals that the person is totally the opposite of that,

    then it is fair to say, it is not what you are looking for.

    Or vice versa.

    in reply to: Last Girl In Class SINGLE! #669636
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    smileyface; I can relate to what your going through, as I was the last in my class too. When the proper one comes along, it happens so fast, you can hardly

    catch your breath. May you be Zoche to share the good news in the CR,

    in the near future.

    Don’t worry, for perhaps your Zivug is very special person,

    and as they say, “you gotta wait for good things!

    (They also say, nice guys finish last):)

    in reply to: How to Greet Non-Jews During the Holiday Season #671472
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    A simple Happy Holidays, should suffice.

    in reply to: Bais Yaakovs Today #713694
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    Ben Levi; No! I do not think Bais Yaakov’s are addressing the Shalom Bayis Issues.

    I think maybe if the girls are Zoche to go to Seminary, then it they may have some training into what that entails, though not enough, but then again, other then some shmoozes in certaain Yeshivos, that is not mandatory, the Yeshiva boys are also lacking in the education of maintaining Shalom Bayis,

    Proper classes in Chinuch Habonim V’habanos, isn’t either particularly addressed.

    in reply to: Welcome YW Moderator-77 #669161
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    Shulem Aleichem!! Muderaitur 77! S’iz Gut Az du hust der numer 77.

    Dos Iz Azoi viy der mittel fun der yuhr 5/77/0.

    It is also the gematriah of “Az”, as in Hevei Az Kanamer.

    Hatzlocha Raboh!

    in reply to: Orthodox Jews #669128
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    OP azi; “I can’t say I disagree with their sentiments.”

    One you should do, is be dan L’kaf Zchus.

    Most people look at yidden and say, they dress so weird

    thay act so odd. Well those same people would jump up and say

    wow, I am so impressed by your adherence to your peoples ways and you dress

    immaculately, If it were a Amish person. As someone once mentioned.

    People as biased and, Eisav Soneh L’yaakov.

    Sometimes that goes for non-religious jews as well.

    Yaakov representing the observant jew. etc..

    in reply to: Breaking news: Fun Couple Crashed Obama’s State Dinner #670863
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    I think the lack of security was due to the man presently residing there.

    in reply to: ???-??? #669022
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    thinking jew; your username fits!

    positiveaynayim; Exactly on point! both of you are on target.

    in reply to: “Black Friday” Best Places to Shop #669056
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    many of the best deals now in deptartment stores, as they have serious messes

    due to the eager crowds, so they take the shirts, that the packaging got opened up a little, the ties that are loose or lost their label, dump them on tables,

    with tags of 50% off plus an additional 25% off.

    Macy’s is a great example. So grab your wallet & cards, and go get some Metzias!

    Happy hunting!

    in reply to: ???-??? #669018
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    Feif Un; anonymrs; etc.. I must have not been clear enough.

    “Though I cannot stress enough, the importance of liking the general appearance of your future spouse.” With this I mean that one should be attracted to ones spouse.

    That goes without saying, and I’m surprised at how I was so misunderstood.

    The ranting in my original post, is about those think they have to

    get a super model and are medaktik Kchut Hasa’arah, on every Kneitch.

    that is SHTUSIM!!!

    HB”H happened to create all the wives of the Avos to be Beautiful.

    To say though, that yaakov chose her for her looks?!!

    If anyone feels the need to find a haskamah for their own Shitos,

    please ask your rov first, before you attempt to Translate the Torah in your favor.

    in reply to: Baby Wipes on Shabbos #1196979
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    They have companies that have a hechsher for use on Shabbos. I remember seeing the advertisements. However please check into the Rabannim who are matir,

    if they are reputable, for this seems to reek of a business venture, rather than

    a serious restructuring of a product, to create a new worry free, L’katchiloh,

    Super Wipe, that manages to miraculously contain moisture yet avoid any possibility

    of Chillul Shabbos.

    in reply to: Lessons in Language Arts #668984
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    haifagirl; lol! A classic. Tthough you messed it up, I still got the idea, though

    I think you confused many. Here goes…

    without proper puntuation.

    John had had had James had had had had had had had had the teacher’s approval!

    in reply to: ???-??? #668999
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    Chas V’shalom To even consider that Yaakov Avinu married Rachel for her looks.

    The Torah merely tells us that Rachel Imeinu was not only beautiful on the inside,

    but on the outside as well. Rachel was his Zivug, as indicated when Yosef was born,

    Yaakov was ready to leave Lavan. (please see Rashi Z”L for more details)

    That is also why he made for Yosef the Kesones Pasim. Yosef is reffered to by Chazal

    as Tzaddik. Also elaborated in Sifrei Chassidus.

    If the girl you like, based on her middos, personality, etc.. happens to be pretty,

    Kol Hakavod! If not, So what? The middos and personality will be a factor in building a Bayis Ne’man, not her looks. Though I cannot stress enough, the importance of liking the general appearance of your future spouse. That’s it though.

    Any more delving in ridiculous shtusim as if a size 5 or 6 makes the girl a better mother for your children, or that if she went to seminary plonit instead of Plonis, makes her unacceptable, C’mon people! Wake up! When your still single at 40, I think

    you’ll have plenty of time to ponder where you went wrong with your over-analyzing

    petty, Gaivah’dige ways. Would you want your real basherteh to over-analyze you when you get redt to her, turning you down cause you do not measure up to her high standards? Leave the Cheshboinois To HB”H. If the Shidduch sound like they have good middos, a warm family. I dont mean middos, as in dress size, and i dont mean warm as in hefty bank account. Then you’ll find your Basherteh much faster.

    in reply to: Broken Engagements #954248
    bein_hasdorim
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    happy girl; It is a document stating that you carry no grudge towards the other party

    of the broken engagement. Some people will not date the girl or boy without it.

    Some people don’t mind as long as their research bears satisfying results.

    The side that did the breaking usually in this case would require a shtar,

    Though both sides might want one for shidduch purposes.

    (To prove the other side has no resentment and (evileye) towards them.)

    In the case of a mutual breakup, both sides might definitely want one,

    why not?

    In a case like you mentioned, R”L one should try to beseech the other side

    till they are willing to forgive.

    I’m not clear as to you your last question.

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