YW Moderator-39

mod39: thank you, i now take a bow!!! do get some rest, your the hardest working mod here!!!

I think I’ll do that.

(Even though there are posts to be approved. I’ll need to leave them for another Moderator. Sorry)

Closed

Do NOT quote the American with Disabilities Act as justification for the nature of the discussion

Back on topic or this topic gets closed.

Yes, I do see the irony given the title

YW Moderator-39

yes Rav Moshe’s levaya i recall was on tanis esther!!!!!!

Incorrect, he was niftar on ta’anis esther, and the levaya was on Purim (with hespedim)

What happened to qwerty? J-Matt to the rescue again!

Update: sorry qwerty, for some reason, it was deleted. I restored it

asdfg, well done as usual.

Moish-looking forwards

BTW, no, I do not sleep.

mod 39 did you get my email?

Oh, that was you? I do not have a list of which e-mails and names go to which screenname.

Also, we request that e-mails to Moderators be used sparingly and only in time of need.

YW Moderator-39

nice? probably

5-star? not a chance. It does not hold a candle to the Citadel, let alone the King David

i can’t become a food critic because of all the loshon hora involved 🙁

Unless you write the restaurant review for the Jewish Press. Every restaurant reviewed is the best new place around. (If I remember correctly, however, there was once a humorous typo in a review. I think it was for Levana, but I might be mistaken)

just for you, i edited the 1st post. 72, don’t get any ideas

lemme try:

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good timing. I’m going to log out now as well

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while i def hear where you are coming from it does come off slightly hypocritical and even wierd that we are having this disagreement when it comes to spam but when it comes to joseph quoting a tur you as a mod will just assume he looked it up and verified it while i have nothing at all against joseph and he seems to be a learned person the fact is according to what your saying maybe ppl will associate his “psak” with ywn so i came up with a solution:) we should have like an army of mods all working on tracking down all of josephs posts;)

I was waiting for that question.

There are 2 things I want to say about that. 1st of all, people learn differently. What you see in a Rashi might not be what I see in a Rashi. Often you can break down a machlokes (say between Tosfos and the Ritva) to how they interpret the words of Rashi.

Second of all, I know without a doubt that if someone put a blatant misquote of Torah (or psak etc) and it were to get posted, the chashuv members of the CR would be all over that person.

Remember, the initial reason it was not posted was due to an identified inaccuracy (i.e. I did no research, I knew initially that parts were inaccurate). Likewise, if someone started a whole Torah with a blatant misquote (or worse) I would also delete that post, knowing I cannot vouch for the authenticity of the post.

agreed, but like I have been saying this entire time. This IS a pet peeve of mine, and OTHER mods might not be as makpid on it.

You tried posting something called “The Stella Awards” awards give to people who made frivolous lawsuits (named after someone whose lawsuit was anything but frivolous) I casted doubt whether I can post it since I already have cause to believe that there will be inaccurate statements.

After further research I discovered most, if not all of the cases were fabricated. Why should I post it? Why should a message listing false claims of frivolous lawsuits being used to prove the point that the justice system is broken be posted?

I think it was worse than the “girl online/soccer game” story. That could happen (and might have occurred in another form). here you are trying to make a point using doctored evidence.

Objection Overruled!

1st of all (baal kishron) I loved your joke about the husband store.

Also, please do not misquote me, I NEVER said it cannot be posted if not true. I just want to prevent the CR from becoming a place where myths get passed on as fact. Yes, we want people to be able to believe things they read here (but we would advise them to check things out themselves too). This is a dangerous topic. Forwards often go out offering “life saving advice” which can be ineffective (or worse). I have gotten e-mails stating things like “entering your PIN on an ATM backwards will call the police if you are beings mugged” or “If you are driving and you are being followed, DO NOT CALL 911, Call *77” These are e-mail which are being sent around which are FALSE!! Devoting a board to these forwards makes it incumbent that we know fact vs. fiction before having “The Yeshiva World”‘s name associated with it.

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No. and truth be told, I have no idea how that is run. Nor do I do the comments on the news stories (I also have no idea how that works either).

kapusta, I’ll be maskim that some people take it with a grain of salt. But after reading in other threats about guilt by association and Kosher by association. I feel it to be my incumbent duty to have said what I did. Last thing i want is for someone to say “See, its true, otherwise the mods wouldn’t have posted it. See, they agree that its fact!”

Like I said before to someone else (I think it was ba’al kishron), this might just be a pet peeve of mine.

I feel the need to lay some ground rules for this forum. First of all, if you are presenting a story. it is incumbent on YOU to research whether or not it is accurate. The ATM story and the story of the girl online (and the soccer game) are MYTHS! The Stella Awards (which did not get posted) is also not true. If this continues, serious consideration will be given to shutting this topic down.

We already have a humor thread where the jokes can go up, so please make sure these stories are factual, OR POST THEM AS “A MYTH WITH A NICE LESSON” or something.

Because I made reference to it in a previous post, here is the TRUE story of the lady who sued McDonalds over spilled coffee (please do not comment on it UNLESS you have read the entire story.

There is a lot of hype about the McDonalds’ scalding coffee case. No

one is in favor of frivolous cases of outlandish results; however, it is

important to understand some points that were not reported in most of

the stories about the case. McDonalds coffee was not only hot, it was

scalding — capable of almost instantaneous destruction of skin, flesh

and muscle. Here’s the whole story.

Stella Liebeck of Albuquerque, New Mexico, was in the passenger seat of

her grandson’s car when she was severely burned by McDonalds’ coffee in

February 1992. Liebeck, 79 at the time, ordered coffee that was served

in a styrofoam cup at the drivethrough window of a local McDonalds.

After receiving the order, the grandson pulled his car forward and

stopped momentarily so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to her

coffee. (Critics of civil justice, who have pounced on this case, often

charge that Liebeck was driving the car or that the vehicle was in

motion when she spilled the coffee; neither is true.) Liebeck placed

the cup between her knees and attempted to remove the plastic lid from

the cup. As she removed the lid, the entire contents of the cup spilled

into her lap.

The sweatpants Liebeck was wearing absorbed the coffee and held it next to her skin. A vascular surgeon determined that Liebeck suffered full thickness burns (or third-degree burns) over 6 percent of her body, including her inner thighs, perineum, buttocks, and genital and groin areas. She was hospitalized for eight days, during which time she underwent skin grafting. Liebeck, who also underwent debridement treatments, sought to settle her claim for $20,000, but McDonalds refused. During discovery, McDonalds produced documents showing more than 700 claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebecks. This history documented McDonalds’ knowledge about the extent and nature of this hazard. McDonalds also said during discovery that, based on a consultants advice, it held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit to maintain optimum taste. He admitted that he had not evaluated the safety ramifications at this temperature. Other establishments sell coffee at substantially lower temperatures, and coffee served at home is generally 135 to 140 degrees. Further, McDonalds’ quality assurance manager testified that the company actively enforces a requirement that coffee be held in the pot at 185 degrees, plus or minus five degrees. He also testified that a burn hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above, and that McDonalds coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured into styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn the mouth and throat. The quality assurance manager admitted that burns would occur, but testified that McDonalds had no intention of reducing the “holding temperature” of its coffee. Plaintiffs’ expert, a scholar in thermodynamics applied to human skin burns, testified that liquids, at 180 degrees, will cause a full thickness burn to human skin in two to seven seconds. Other testimony showed that as the temperature decreases toward 155 degrees, the extent of the burn relative to that temperature decreases exponentially. Thus, if Liebeck’s spill had involved coffee at 155 degrees, the liquid would have cooled and given her time to avoid a serious burn. McDonalds asserted that customers buy coffee on their way to work or home, intending to consume it there. However, the companys own research showed that customers intend to consume the coffee immediately while driving. McDonalds also argued that consumers know coffee is hot and that its customers want it that way. The company admitted its customers were unaware that they could suffer thirddegree burns from the coffee and that a statement on the side of the cup was not a “warning” but a “reminder” since the location of the writing would not warn customers of the hazard. The jury awarded Liebeck $200,000 in compensatory damages. This amount was reduced to $160,000 because the jury found Liebeck 20 percent at fault in the spill. The jury also awarded Liebeck $2.7 million in punitive damages, which equals about two days of McDonalds’ coffee sales. Post-verdict investigation found that the temperature of coffee at the local Albuquerque McDonalds had dropped to 158 degrees fahrenheit. The trial court subsequently reduced the punitive award to $480,000 — or three times compensatory damages — even though the judge called McDonalds’ conduct reckless, callous and willful. No one will ever know the final ending to this case. The parties eventually entered into a secret settlement which has never been revealed to the public, despite the fact that this was a public case, litigated in public and subjected to extensive media reporting. Such secret settlements, after public trials, should not be condoned.

39,

1. It was pre-scanning days.

2. Now you can merely scratch off a bar (prior to applying the sticker), forcing the meter maids to write it out manually.

3. If the summons has an incorrect plate #, the ticket was effectively never written against your vehicle and you can discard it.

4. If you choose to challenge it, it is legally flawed (in NYC at least) and an ALJ will dismiss it.

With the exception of 1 thing. People do not necessarily differ in how they write the letter O and how they write the number 0. I remember CLEARLY that Gridlock Sam (former NYC Traffic Commissioner) saying that the computers, and judges did not view a 0 as different than an O (and that the computers often searched for the possibility of both).

In other words, calling a tan car brown was not in the same league as a 0 vs. an O.

I think we have both made our respective points. If I can locate the gridlock sam I will. But I respectfully suggest we not continue this discussion.

thank you mod-39, you are the most cooperative & helpful mod ever!!! this is already 2nd time ive seen you explain why something was not posted, & usually mods just ignore these questions. so thanx!!!!! your kindness does not go unnoticed

It is easier to do at times when the traffic is “low”. (Like now)

this is really strange i tried to post something twice and it didnt go and i really dont think anything was even questionable unless the mod wants to fill me in on why it isnt posting

2. The case of the McDonalds Coffee was NOT a frivolous lawsuit. When I get more time, maybe I’ll post the full story.

What bothers me about the post, thus, is if they get that so wrong, how can I know the authenticity of the other stories. Probably just a ‘pet peeve’ of mine, but for that reason the post does not get my approval.

Don’t know whether or not you’ll accept this line of reasoning, or whether you’ll post it in a few hours and another mod will publish it. But I at least hope you appreciate my taking the time to defend my position here (especially when I have no obligation to do so).

YW Moderator-39

three quarters of this place has no purpose. you know that, right?

So why you here 😉

Seriously, it would be 98.2% if we allowed much of the deleted trash to pass