I wander why they don’t use there power to stop the Arabs from killing with guns, bombs and knifes etc.? is this the worst thing possible that happens in Israel? did any one got killed from this
SO SAD to see Jews treating each other this way. This is the worst thing we can do to each other. and not only that but i thought i lived in a Democracy where people are allowed to speak their minds.
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I’m not sure what are they protesting (they don’t really need major reason as they do it so often) but don’t you think those young kids who are brave enough to argue with police, belong in yeshivas, especially since they claim they can not be drafted in the army because they must learn the whole day. I would take them straight to drafting since they are not learning as it seems. Secondly I assume the protest was done without permit, occupying the sidewalk. Maybe they think the street belong to them and they are above the law, but they are clearly braking the law and what do they expect? I’m sure before pushing and arresting those “community activists” they were told to stop the protest and clear the sidewalk, but obviously we won’t see that on the video. But what we see people not obeying the orders, arguing, screaming at cops and if not for cops’ force would never empty the street. I agree with some who say that cops sometimes act above the law, but which police would tolerate such behavior. In NY, Dov Hikind was arrested with few others just sitting on sidewalk protesting something. Can you imagine if he would resist going into police van, he would be dragged there by force. Rule number 1, don’t play with fire if you don’t want to get burned. They provoked police to use the force and should not expect kisses and hugs in returns.
to all people like number 1: Because of the behavior of the people you support, police instead of patrolling and securing streets from arabs, are busy dealing with those idiots who besides major Hillul Hashem, are not learning or working and disturb (and give a bad name) lives of frum people who actually learn and work.
What is the demo/rally for or against? Looks like a shul convention!
I live in Beit Shemesh & this was yet another pointless demonstration by local thugs. Obviously, they are too incapable to sit & learn & chas v’sholom they should even try to get a job. So their leaders send them out to cause trouble. And of course, they waited till today when the sun was out, rather than yesterday when we had torrential rain. It’s same old, same old, but I wish they would demonstrate in Bnei Braq or Meah Shearim & leave us alone.
Nebach! Bored Souls!
Usually at some point during the Demonstration those צדיקים forget what they were protesting in the first place!
@computerbubby – You refer to “their leaders”. Living there, knowing more than I, would you know who “their leaders” are perhaps? If so, maybe you could ask him/them your questions.
Don’t we believe in freedom of speech?
They were protesting peacefully on the SIDEWALK and these cops come ramming them with horses-do we remember a similar incident in the U.S.A.???
Shuali, as a mere woman, I wouldn’t have access to these “leaders” (thanks for the quotation marks) even if I knew who they are.
The demonstration was against a job fair, where people entering were called names. I leave it to you all to decide whether or not this was a good reason to cause havoc. After all, leeching off the rest of us is far better than getting a job & providing for their families.
We have made a decision. We do not give our hard earned tzedaka to any of these schnorrers when they come to the door – we give to legitimate causes. We will not support these parasites, there are R”L too many people round here who are unable to work.
It doesn’t really make sense why they were there in the first place! It was a job fair opened to the community with separate hours for men and women. (this was during men) and wasn’t hurting anyone not only that it was not in “there” neighborhood!! it was in rbs alef these ppl should go back to there neighborhood of beis! No one asked them to come! Whats wrong with people finding jobs!?!?!
The Eidah HaChareidis, in spite of their opinion regarding the existence of, and justification for, the State of Israel, are very particular about receiving proper permits for any and all gatherings they wish to have. The individuals, or groups of individuals, who do not, who destroy public or private property, disrupt traffic or businesses, are not part of this group who have always been led, and continue to be led, by leaders all true ovdei HaShem, yorei Shomayim, and talmidei chachomim of the highest caliber; peaceful, respectable, and respectful. IF these protesters had no permit and IF they were not adhering to local and/or national laws, they have no leaders guiding them, guaranteed. There are other proofs that these individuals may not have been guided by any of our nation’s leaders. That having been said, the brutality with which they were treated – the horses being the least of it – and the relative calm (i.e. no hands, no force, just talk) – in response to it, shows us that even without leaders, this group at least, without leaders, is far more civil than the other group (the Poloce) even with leaders.
It’s interesting how so many articles posted on YNW that report chareidi demonstrations in E.Y. seem to provoke some readers into making some rabid anti-chareidi comments. Even while not knowing the reason for the demo, who (if any) rabbonim are behind it, who or what (if anything) provoked a harsh police reaction to the protesters. It doesn’t matter, because bottom line: the Jews (‘er, the chareidim) are always wrong. Demonstrations by frum people are always wrong, uncalled for, counter-productive, etc. Those of you who don’t live here are not in a position to judge what is going on or what needs to be done here. The issue at hand is sometimes a personal matter, a local issue, or a national matter. People who don’t live often do not realize citizens here in E.Y. don’t have quite the same civil rights as in the U.S. The police here operate under different rules when it comes to things like “probable cause,” needing a search warrant, publicizing suspects’ names in the media (names are routinely leaked deliberately), the difference between a “person of interest,” and a suspect and someone convicted of a crime. It’s important to remember that the best quality people are recruited into the Mossad and the ISA (“Shin-Bet”). The regular police commonly are often left with, how should I put it, not the most highly qualified individuals….
Oh, and once and for, please stop the absurd chorus about forcing boys who refuse to serve into the army. The army doesn’t call for it; the govt. knows it’s an impossible waste of time and resources. No one can be forced to be a soldier against his will. The childish equation that: “well, if they have enough time and energy for demonstrating against the govt., that’s proof that they’ll be quality, dutiful conscripts in the IDF” – is growing tiresome. It’s just an immature attempt to quell freedom of speech.
Bottom line: everyone, including chareidim, have a right to protest something that they feel is wrong. No one has a right to be violent. It is unfortunate when violence occurs at a demonstration; however, without precise knowledge of the circumstances, someone who wasn’t there truly ought to withhold judgment. Don’t automatically assume the chareidim are always wrong!
(the Police *)
It’s interesting how so many articles posted on YNW that report chareidi demonstrations in E.Y. seem to provoke some readers into making some rabid anti-chareidi comments. Even while not knowing the reason for the demo, who (if any) rabbonim are behind it, who or what (if anything) provoked a harsh police reaction to the protesters. It doesn’t matter, because bottom line: the Jews (‘er, the chareidim) are always wrong. Demonstrations by frum people are always wrong, uncalled for, counter-productive, etc. Those of you who don’t live here are not in a position to judge what is going on or what needs to be done here. The issue at hand is sometimes a personal matter, a local issue, or a national matter. People who don’t live here often do not realize citizens here in E.Y. don’t have quite the same civil rights as in the U.S. The police here operate under different rules when it comes to things like “probable cause,” needing a search warrant, publicizing suspects’ names in the media (names are routinely leaked deliberately), the difference between a “person of interest,” and a suspect and someone convicted of a crime. It’s important to remember that the best quality people are recruited into the Mossad and the ISA (“Shin-Bet”). The regular police commonly are often left with, how should I put it, not the most highly qualified individuals….
Oh, and once and for, please stop the absurd chorus about forcing boys who refuse to serve into the army. The army doesn’t call for it; the govt. knows it’s an impossible waste of time and resources. No one can be forced to be a soldier against his will. The childish equation that: “well, if they have enough time and energy for demonstrating against the govt., that’s proof that they’ll be quality, dutiful conscripts in the IDF” – is growing tiresome. It’s just an immature attempt to quell freedom of speech.
Bottom line: everyone, including chareidim, has a right to protest something that they feel is wrong. No one has a right to be violent. It is unfortunate when violence occurs at a demonstration; however, without precise knowledge of the circumstances, someone who wasn’t there truly ought to withhold judgment. Don’t automatically assume the chareidim are always wrong!
The insurgents were trying to intimidate young chareidim from applying to use Maftayach.Maftayach is a chareidi adult education center that was founded by R’S Poppenheim of Beit Shemesh in order to help uneducated chareidim aquire sufficiant training for some level of employment, in a gender seperate setting.This is what these animals were “peacefully” protesting against.The violence that has been directed at Rav Poppenheim(former spokesman of the eida chareidis) has never been captured on camera.
These violent thugs are wolves in sheeps clothing.
As far as who their leaders are,perhaps worry less about that and ask yourself the following:
Where are the local Rabbonim?Howcome they have not come out explicitly in support of Maftayach? And if you give the run of the mill answer “the rabbonim are afraid of these goons”,then perhaps they should be more concerned about doing what is just in Hashems eyes, and less terrified from insurgents who are hell bent on hijacking Judaism?
It should also be pointed out that this obscenity took place on nachal Dolev opposite the matnas(community center),a street with a full mixture of dati,chareid and non religeous residents.The actions of the police should have in truth been pre-empted by the local residents.
@american_yerushalmi – Yiyasher kochacha. Well said.
Attn: Chareidi protesters
option no. 1 Please help the residents get an education that will enable them to land a respectable job.
option no. 2 Fly to USA and ask for help. They will be forced to see many many women that are not dressed properly in the airports and on the planes.
What about the בזיונות a person will probably get when he asks for help?
The protesters need to understand and see the bigger picture.
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I wander why they don’t use there power to stop the Arabs from killing with guns, bombs and knifes etc.? is this the worst thing possible that happens in Israel? did any one got killed from this
SO SAD to see Jews treating each other this way. This is the worst thing we can do to each other. and not only that but i thought i lived in a Democracy where people are allowed to speak their minds.
#1
You should learn to spell before posting comments.
I’m not sure what are they protesting (they don’t really need major reason as they do it so often) but don’t you think those young kids who are brave enough to argue with police, belong in yeshivas, especially since they claim they can not be drafted in the army because they must learn the whole day. I would take them straight to drafting since they are not learning as it seems. Secondly I assume the protest was done without permit, occupying the sidewalk. Maybe they think the street belong to them and they are above the law, but they are clearly braking the law and what do they expect? I’m sure before pushing and arresting those “community activists” they were told to stop the protest and clear the sidewalk, but obviously we won’t see that on the video. But what we see people not obeying the orders, arguing, screaming at cops and if not for cops’ force would never empty the street. I agree with some who say that cops sometimes act above the law, but which police would tolerate such behavior. In NY, Dov Hikind was arrested with few others just sitting on sidewalk protesting something. Can you imagine if he would resist going into police van, he would be dragged there by force. Rule number 1, don’t play with fire if you don’t want to get burned. They provoked police to use the force and should not expect kisses and hugs in returns.
to all people like number 1: Because of the behavior of the people you support, police instead of patrolling and securing streets from arabs, are busy dealing with those idiots who besides major Hillul Hashem, are not learning or working and disturb (and give a bad name) lives of frum people who actually learn and work.
What is the demo/rally for or against? Looks like a shul convention!
I live in Beit Shemesh & this was yet another pointless demonstration by local thugs. Obviously, they are too incapable to sit & learn & chas v’sholom they should even try to get a job. So their leaders send them out to cause trouble. And of course, they waited till today when the sun was out, rather than yesterday when we had torrential rain. It’s same old, same old, but I wish they would demonstrate in Bnei Braq or Meah Shearim & leave us alone.
Nebach! Bored Souls!
Usually at some point during the Demonstration those צדיקים forget what they were protesting in the first place!
@computerbubby – You refer to “their leaders”. Living there, knowing more than I, would you know who “their leaders” are perhaps? If so, maybe you could ask him/them your questions.
Don’t we believe in freedom of speech?
They were protesting peacefully on the SIDEWALK and these cops come ramming them with horses-do we remember a similar incident in the U.S.A.???
Shuali, as a mere woman, I wouldn’t have access to these “leaders” (thanks for the quotation marks) even if I knew who they are.
The demonstration was against a job fair, where people entering were called names. I leave it to you all to decide whether or not this was a good reason to cause havoc. After all, leeching off the rest of us is far better than getting a job & providing for their families.
We have made a decision. We do not give our hard earned tzedaka to any of these schnorrers when they come to the door – we give to legitimate causes. We will not support these parasites, there are R”L too many people round here who are unable to work.
It doesn’t really make sense why they were there in the first place! It was a job fair opened to the community with separate hours for men and women. (this was during men) and wasn’t hurting anyone not only that it was not in “there” neighborhood!! it was in rbs alef these ppl should go back to there neighborhood of beis! No one asked them to come! Whats wrong with people finding jobs!?!?!
The Eidah HaChareidis, in spite of their opinion regarding the existence of, and justification for, the State of Israel, are very particular about receiving proper permits for any and all gatherings they wish to have. The individuals, or groups of individuals, who do not, who destroy public or private property, disrupt traffic or businesses, are not part of this group who have always been led, and continue to be led, by leaders all true ovdei HaShem, yorei Shomayim, and talmidei chachomim of the highest caliber; peaceful, respectable, and respectful. IF these protesters had no permit and IF they were not adhering to local and/or national laws, they have no leaders guiding them, guaranteed. There are other proofs that these individuals may not have been guided by any of our nation’s leaders. That having been said, the brutality with which they were treated – the horses being the least of it – and the relative calm (i.e. no hands, no force, just talk) – in response to it, shows us that even without leaders, this group at least, without leaders, is far more civil than the other group (the Poloce) even with leaders.
It’s interesting how so many articles posted on YNW that report chareidi demonstrations in E.Y. seem to provoke some readers into making some rabid anti-chareidi comments. Even while not knowing the reason for the demo, who (if any) rabbonim are behind it, who or what (if anything) provoked a harsh police reaction to the protesters. It doesn’t matter, because bottom line: the Jews (‘er, the chareidim) are always wrong. Demonstrations by frum people are always wrong, uncalled for, counter-productive, etc. Those of you who don’t live here are not in a position to judge what is going on or what needs to be done here. The issue at hand is sometimes a personal matter, a local issue, or a national matter. People who don’t live often do not realize citizens here in E.Y. don’t have quite the same civil rights as in the U.S. The police here operate under different rules when it comes to things like “probable cause,” needing a search warrant, publicizing suspects’ names in the media (names are routinely leaked deliberately), the difference between a “person of interest,” and a suspect and someone convicted of a crime. It’s important to remember that the best quality people are recruited into the Mossad and the ISA (“Shin-Bet”). The regular police commonly are often left with, how should I put it, not the most highly qualified individuals….
Oh, and once and for, please stop the absurd chorus about forcing boys who refuse to serve into the army. The army doesn’t call for it; the govt. knows it’s an impossible waste of time and resources. No one can be forced to be a soldier against his will. The childish equation that: “well, if they have enough time and energy for demonstrating against the govt., that’s proof that they’ll be quality, dutiful conscripts in the IDF” – is growing tiresome. It’s just an immature attempt to quell freedom of speech.
Bottom line: everyone, including chareidim, have a right to protest something that they feel is wrong. No one has a right to be violent. It is unfortunate when violence occurs at a demonstration; however, without precise knowledge of the circumstances, someone who wasn’t there truly ought to withhold judgment. Don’t automatically assume the chareidim are always wrong!
(the Police *)
It’s interesting how so many articles posted on YNW that report chareidi demonstrations in E.Y. seem to provoke some readers into making some rabid anti-chareidi comments. Even while not knowing the reason for the demo, who (if any) rabbonim are behind it, who or what (if anything) provoked a harsh police reaction to the protesters. It doesn’t matter, because bottom line: the Jews (‘er, the chareidim) are always wrong. Demonstrations by frum people are always wrong, uncalled for, counter-productive, etc. Those of you who don’t live here are not in a position to judge what is going on or what needs to be done here. The issue at hand is sometimes a personal matter, a local issue, or a national matter. People who don’t live here often do not realize citizens here in E.Y. don’t have quite the same civil rights as in the U.S. The police here operate under different rules when it comes to things like “probable cause,” needing a search warrant, publicizing suspects’ names in the media (names are routinely leaked deliberately), the difference between a “person of interest,” and a suspect and someone convicted of a crime. It’s important to remember that the best quality people are recruited into the Mossad and the ISA (“Shin-Bet”). The regular police commonly are often left with, how should I put it, not the most highly qualified individuals….
Oh, and once and for, please stop the absurd chorus about forcing boys who refuse to serve into the army. The army doesn’t call for it; the govt. knows it’s an impossible waste of time and resources. No one can be forced to be a soldier against his will. The childish equation that: “well, if they have enough time and energy for demonstrating against the govt., that’s proof that they’ll be quality, dutiful conscripts in the IDF” – is growing tiresome. It’s just an immature attempt to quell freedom of speech.
Bottom line: everyone, including chareidim, has a right to protest something that they feel is wrong. No one has a right to be violent. It is unfortunate when violence occurs at a demonstration; however, without precise knowledge of the circumstances, someone who wasn’t there truly ought to withhold judgment. Don’t automatically assume the chareidim are always wrong!
The insurgents were trying to intimidate young chareidim from applying to use Maftayach.Maftayach is a chareidi adult education center that was founded by R’S Poppenheim of Beit Shemesh in order to help uneducated chareidim aquire sufficiant training for some level of employment, in a gender seperate setting.This is what these animals were “peacefully” protesting against.The violence that has been directed at Rav Poppenheim(former spokesman of the eida chareidis) has never been captured on camera.
These violent thugs are wolves in sheeps clothing.
As far as who their leaders are,perhaps worry less about that and ask yourself the following:
Where are the local Rabbonim?Howcome they have not come out explicitly in support of Maftayach? And if you give the run of the mill answer “the rabbonim are afraid of these goons”,then perhaps they should be more concerned about doing what is just in Hashems eyes, and less terrified from insurgents who are hell bent on hijacking Judaism?
It should also be pointed out that this obscenity took place on nachal Dolev opposite the matnas(community center),a street with a full mixture of dati,chareid and non religeous residents.The actions of the police should have in truth been pre-empted by the local residents.
@american_yerushalmi – Yiyasher kochacha. Well said.
Attn: Chareidi protesters
option no. 1 Please help the residents get an education that will enable them to land a respectable job.
option no. 2 Fly to USA and ask for help. They will be forced to see many many women that are not dressed properly in the airports and on the planes.
What about the בזיונות a person will probably get when he asks for help?
The protesters need to understand and see the bigger picture.