(Please read entire article) This afternoon at 1:00PM at the Neturei Karta Headquarters – 102 Saddle River Road – Monsey NY, there will be a mass protest against the insane, Hitler loving psychopath’s who were Michallel Shem Shomayim Borabim, by dragging the 6 million Kedoshim through the mud as a pawn in their political chess game against the State of Israel.
Below is an email from a Frum attorney living on the West Coast, who has been working tirelessly on his own to shut these guys down once & for all. I suggest that you read it. The man has some brilliant ideas.
We’ve seen them meet, hug, embrace, and kiss the enemies of Israel (Ahmadinejad, Arafat, Farakhan, etc). We’ve seen their acts of moral turpitude and we looked the other way and shook our heads in disgust. We’ve seen them publicly burn Israeli Flags at our demonstrations. We’ve labeled them ‘crazy’ and we discounted them because we said they were a fringe group. We were wrong. Dead wrong.
Cherems are not enough. They are merely good starts.
Public statements condemning them are not enough. They are merely step one.
Neturei Karta must be put out of business – legally.
The time has come to take drastic legal measures to respond to the Naturei Karta chillul hashem. I have come up with a few ideas and welcome your thoughts.
1. For each member of NK: get their picture, and complete contact information (name, address, telephone) for public dissemination. Create a “wanted” poster of their identities. People must know who they are and where they live. We can then pressure their respective communities but only if we know who they are. We must know exactly what Chassidic denomination they belong to. If they dare enter our Shuls, we will throw them out. When they come to our communities to speak we will find out where they are staying and who their hosts are and will protest accordingly. When they eat at our Kosher restaurants we will inform the proprietors that we will boycott their establishments unless the NK patrons are asked to leave. We will pressure their Yeshivas to kick their children out of their schools. We will discourage Shidduchim with their families. We will not attend their Simchas and we will tell them why. Again, we must know who they are. Further, we must learn who supports them financially. They are getting money from somewhere. Who is funding them. Whoever that is, we will boycott them.
2. Challenge their IRS tax exempt status. Someone is funding their travel and speaking engagements to anti-Israel and hostile Arab groups, and is getting the benefits of a charitable deduction in the process. We need to alert the IRS of NK’s terrorist affiliations jeopardize their tax exempt status. This will chill charitable donations to their cause. Let’s bankrupt them and put them out of business. Someone is paying NK money. Every week they are flying all across the globe, staying at hotels, etc. Who is funding them? Cut them off at the source.
3. Lobby our political leaders to have them demand that the United States State Department brand the NK organization (and its members) as a terrorist organization or as a supporter of terrorism and render it illegal (like the State Department did to JDL/KACH). An aggressive politician who is eager to make a name for himself can open Congressional inquiries into the activities of NK and challenge their tax-exempt status. NK’s records could be subpoenaed. Most importantly, the Israeli government must brand them illegal like it did to JDL/KACH.
4. Publish all of the Cherems that are out against NK. The Chief Rabbi of Israel has called for a new Cherem against NK.
5. Encourage our Rabbonim and Jewish leaders to stop disregarding them as insignificant. Acknowledge that they are dangerous. Discredit them.
6. Collect pictures of them posing with Arab leaders and place them on one screen for everyone to see their atrocious bedfellows: ie.., Arafat, Ahmadinejad, Farakhan, and their horrific protest placards. The more pictures, the more horrific the outrage.
7. Prosecute NK in the International Criminal Courts. Follow my logic here: If Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s stated objective of “wiping Israel off the map” (his consistent denial of the Holocaust, and his country’s pursuit of nuclear and ballistic missile capacity) violates the 1948 U.N. Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, then wouldn’t NK be guilty of aiding and abetting the enemy (Iran’s Ahmadinejad)? I’m not an expert in this area of law, but what about treason (the crime of disloyalty to one’s nation or state. A person who betrays the nation of their citizenship and/or reneges on an oath of loyalty and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor. Oran’s Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: “…[a]… citizen’s actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation].” In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavor)?
8. If the NK members live in Israel, and they have publicly supported an enemy of the State of Israel, would that not make them “traitors” and they should be tried as such by the Israeli government? Again, Israeli Knesset members have the right to conduct inquiries into the NK as enemies of the state. How do we know that they are not undermining our security by providing information to Arabs?
9. Call into radio and TV shows that present NK and express your rage. Discredit them wherever they appear. Because of this email (an earlier version), I was invited to comment (not debate) NK on Radio Spain www.rem.fm, and as www.theyeshivaworld.com put it: I ripped them to shreds. Listen to the entire interview on Yeshivaworld by clicking HERE. Further, there will be a protest at NK’s office in Monsey, NY. Please check out: Click here: “Operation Screwball” In Monsey, exposing the evil in our own backyards.
10. I am eager to take them on in any media interview. I have a very comprehensive file on them and know how to effectively discredit them. If you know in advance that NK will be appearing on a show, let the host know that I am able to debate them and that I’m always ready to do so. Forward the radio/TV host this information.
Baruch C. Cohen, Esq.
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The Hamodia this past weekened had a very beautifully written, touching articLEl concerning these evil-doers. It was written by the Rosh Hakohol from Antwerp, who has been subjected to the torcher in 2 concentration camps. Try to get a copy, its on the first page.A MUST READ.
let’s not forget to consult with daas torah every step of the way. ther are issues of mesira and others that need the shikul of gedolei yisrael. our baalabatishe kups can think of a million ways to deal with this and we might be convinced we are right and there is no shaylo involved. to move on our sechel without the gedolim will put us in the same category as the neturei karta which took a valid anti-zionist shita and mixed in daas baalei batim to get to their current status
corection: muhamad chohen
Please post;
Mr. Cohen had some very good ideas. I am afraid thought that a public smear campagin might ignite acivil war between frumJEWS. I think whatever needs to be done should be done with some discretion!
However, take it from somoNE who knows…
DO NOT PICK ON MOSHE ARYEH FRIEDMAN IF YOU VALUE YOUR LIFE….HE IS VIOLENCE PERSONIFIED. I WASNT ALLOWED TO POST DETAILS ON WHY BUT PLEASE JUST TRUST ME….HE MADE ENOUGH TROUBLE FOR HIS OWN FAMILY….
To Nameless:
The Hamodia is just as guilty as these goons are. They have refused to mention anything about these animals until now.
Every major Jewish Newspaper across the world had exposed these terrorists with the Yated taking the lead MONTHS AGO!!
This behavior is nothing new for the Hamodia.
THey utterly refused to print anything during the Shame-Parade when hundreds of Yidden were bruttely arrested and beaten bloddy – NAZI STYLE!! When the Mir Yeshiva in Yerushalayim was stormed by these chayos – they refused.
The better start doing Teshuva.
First we must demand that EVERYONE discredit themselves from this group of evildoers…..
Mr Cohen all Klal Yisroel is with you in this vital mission CHAZAK VEAMATZ!!!!!!!
The Hocker;
I am not referrring to ‘Hamodia’ as the newspapaer. I am referrring to the article writtenby an individual who was personally affected by this since he went throught the horror himself!
I think this is what they are just waiting for…
I’m betting that these retards will be standing there with their Anti-Israel posters as usual.
Laughing in everyone’s faces.
Also, no-one cares. I don’t believe that more then a hundred people will show up – and that’s a joke. There should be five thousand.
Zionflag;
With all due respect, not many! Their anti Israel views are share by a lot of Gedolim. But when they use our Kdeoishim as pawns it enrages us. AND RIGHTFULLY SO!
big words, but little practicality. almost nothing above is workable. they aint legal terrorists, nix irs or terror. post personal data? anti-abortionists went to jail for that. like that lawyer said, he doesnt know if it can be done. it can not.
I’m not afraid of that lunatic Freedman. Did you see the video of him talking with the hitler of iran, they look like old friends. The trip was paid for by the iranian foriegn ministry.
While most of these Ideas are very good, (I personaly would lend any help needed for #1 we can’t forget that these nuts want out attention just as much as the secular media, and althought ignoring them won’t help us a all, we won’t be giving them our attention which is more important to them than the biggest interview. In addition by not ignoring them we legitimize them.
#2 and #3 is the way to go, do it quietly, without money they are finished.
I think the best way to deal with them is to pressure satmar to “deal” with them, they understand the thinking of these nuts the best.
Shoymer, you are very right in your advice, While Mssr. Cohen does write what we all feel are good ideas, without daas torah we are no better than they are. These people are so dilussional that they believe THEY are acting entirely l’shem shomayim.
Also, how do the rest of us who acknowledge the evil of the Medina deal with our opposition to the Medina while at the same time oppose this chillul hashem?
If R’ Yitzchack Tuvia SHLI”TA can write a kol koreh against NK it does not mean he’s now pro-Medina.
We need daas torah as always to help balance our lives.
One final ha’ora: today’s protest is sponsored by the JDL, how can I attend without lending support to THOSE loons.
I agree with Joseph. Big threats cannot be made here. All we can do, is wreck their lawns,make prank calls to their houses, send them hate mail and other minor mischief. I dont even think that having their kids kicked outta yeshivas will work!
shoymer Says,
I agree, if this is done without dass Torah.Which Rabbonim are behind the protest?
The Hocker,
I am glad the Hamodia kept it out of their paper, I did not want such news in my home. I guess if you think it’s important that a Jewish home is reading such material, buy the Yated.
their children are not at fault for their fathers mishagas, and in no way can be penalized.
I agree with the posters that said we have to consult with Daas Torah on this. Of course, we also know that there are many “sides” to this torah and that is something would be addressed.
I also would like to mention that these 6-10 wakkos from NK are not the real NK as the real NK would NEVER stoop to the low levels of these mishiguim. Satmar and Eida Charedus of Yerushalayim as examples would NEVER do this and they have spoken out against those b’haymas.
I also hope the protest today is just that… a protest and CHV not violence or damage of any sort. That does not accomplish anything and make the “damagers” just as guilty.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO THE PROTEST, PLEASE BEHAVE YOURSELVES IN A DIGNIFIED MANNER! MAKE A KIDDUSH HASH-M AND CVH NOT THE OTHER ONE.
Joseph-A mamzer is not either responsible for his parents action…and yet-you still can’t marry a mamzer..kicking their children out of a yeshiva is not a bad start..They should be excommunicated from all jewish communities.In fact,when this will be done,and the media would catch on to the story,they would realize how to identify the frum people as a whole from these lunatics and how they don’t represent the views of the God fearing jewish population.
Don’t let them get to your bones. But these ideas are silly and get be implemented:
1. Anti-Abortionists went to jail for publicizing personal data. It constituted a “threat” against the individuals posted.
“Kick children out of the Yeshivas”? What right does this lawyer have to threaten their children. Obviously he is going against Daas Torah, since you cannot penalize anyones children, for the sins of the father.
2. & 3. It couldn’t happen. It would be against U.S. law. The suggestion itself is a joke. The U.S. doesn’t “ban” anyone for their point of view, however repulsive. They should ban David Duke too based on this (he too was at the “conference.”) Obviously this doesn’t happen.
7. Another joke. Does this guy take himself seriously? First of all the U.S. is NOT a signatory to the I.C.C. The U.S. is opposed to the I.C.C. In any event, the I.C.C. would first have to prosecute the Ahmadinejad based on this logic. It doesn’t. The I.C.C. has ONLY indicted the murderers in Rwanda. You think it cares about N.K.? Get real.
8. This so-called N.K. is all out of E. Israel. The E. Israel based N.K. has nothing to do with these mishuganas.
9. & 10. Your viewpoint doesn’t make a “good story” in the media. N.K. does. Thats why these meshuganas get attention.
Joseph;
IT DOES say ‘maaseh ovos simon lebonim’…kids do learn from their parents.
TO ABI’;
on the other hand, the biggest rishoim in our history had tzddikim forchildren…look at Terach and Besuel …..
these people are insane. maybe we can daven for them that they should become sane rather then talking about what we should do with these nuts????? well i suppose i wanted to daven for them, i would have to ask them and i really want to speak to these nutters. anyway i probably wouldnt be able to pronounce their mums name, its probably sounds like ben fhatima or ben waliachba etc..
Baruch Cohen … finally a voice of reason. We must stop them as soon as possible.
No matter what anyone’s opinion of the ‘medina of E”Y … Most people miss one important point .. and that is … these people have kissed .. hugged and supported the actions of Arafat .. and othe MURDERERS of Yidden.
Frum Yidden as well as Secular Jews have been murdered in E”Y by these butchers, and they have been aided by the NK to keep it up.
In 1929 Yidden in Chevron were Massacred .. by Arabs prior to 1948 .. and yet the NK say .. that Yidden lived relitively in Peace with arabs!!!!!
Any Jew who supports, encourages today … that the STATE OF ISRAEL to be destroyed .. is really placing Million of Jews in mortal danger. (Read Hilchos Shabbos Chapter 319!)
Imagine a FRUM Jew hugging hitler YS”V?!!! Imagine a Frum Jew raising the hands in victory with Arafat….. Imagine hugging the presidnet of Iran .. who threatens to kill millions of Jews in E”Y?!!
No matter what your beleif is on Medina E”Y …. the NK has given stregnth to these terrible people to go ahead and destroy millions of peoples lives.
NK has a problem with Medinas E”Y … let them go from shul to shul .. beis medrish to beis medrish .. and articulate their reasons .. and win over the hearts and minds of Kllal Yisroel …. but to go to the ENEMIES OF YIDDEN???????????? You MUST BE PUT IN CHEYRIM FOREEVER!!
Therefore … I agree tottaly with Baruch Cohen’s suggestions.
I would also add in our tefillos in V’lamalshenim that the NK go away!!!!
Chaim from L.A.
Thanks for the info.,B. Cohen.
I have been calling the numbers you posted and blasting these nut cases.
We should call them all day and all night
to all those criticizing Mr. Cohens ideas:
Here is a man that has taken it upon himself (WITH daas torah ) to put an end to these evil doers…. NO gadol would be against implementing his ideas to stop their brazen acts…by penalizing the children the hope is that they will shy away from their activities for lack of other option….(no shul,no school…..) if a yeshiva found out that a child parents are complete and total lunatics that are mechalel sheim shomyim daily they would be kicked out immediately…forget punishing the parents,we can’t have these children brought up in such a bckwards way allowed to intermingle with our precious innocent children….and though some of the other ideas seem more like dreams then reality WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE! stop the criticizing and try doing something useful that will help put a halt to these lost pp
Where is the Agudah on what our reaction should be?
Thank you Mr. Cohen For rising up in this matter, and creating ideas for discussion. I agree with you all the way that this situation is out of hand, NK have decided to move up a notch. We cant just sit here and let these people be Michalel Shaim Shemaim. These people thrive on publicity and they scored big with this. Its time for the Rabbonim and Askanim to stand up and act, to be MiKadesh Shaim Shemaim. These people, like you said, “are a threat on Klal Yisroel’s security. You never know what there next step is going to be. I understand That NK in itself have different views, some are more extreme then others, but we can see clearly where the group as a whole is heading.
TO PRO NOT ANTI;
how does ‘HODU’ come to ‘KUSH’?
What does youropinion against the Medinah have to do with your protest of these Morons??? Whatever propaganda they have against the State of Israel doesnt give them the right to take front row seats and listen to the HATE TALK of our enemies especially when it involves shaming our painful history…..
hang him by his head
ZIONFLAG.
IF thats is INDEED the case then why DIDNT worlddwide Torah Authorities condemn them THEN as they do NOW,,?????
Nameless, you are 100% correct. I want my voice to be heard as being one vehemently opposed to NK, however only daas torah can help with my personal dilema of not wanting to show support for the JDL either.
to tek
what is your definition of daas torah and who is considered torahdick enough to posess it in your opinion?
people that consult with gediley torah through every step of a battle for yiddishkeit, don’t usually use the internet (or email) as a means for building up the public support.
PRO…
YOU JUST REINFORCED MY POINT. THESE DEVILS SHOULD BE CONDEMNED BY KLLAL YISROEL IN UNITY FOR THEIR LATEST BETRAYEL!!!! The rest is up to individual opinion….
THE PROBLEM WITH THESE NUTS (NOT THAT THEY ARE THE NK) IS LEAVING THE DEBATE OF THE LEGITIMACY OF THE MIDINA. THATS OK. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY ARE ENDANGERING ABOUT 5,000,000 YIDIN LIVING IN ERETZ YISROEL. TO BOOST A RASHA THAT WANTS TO NUKE ISRAEL IS TO BOOST THE MURDER OF ALL YIDEN LIVING IN E.Y. R.L
as good as all this sounds, i think we need gedolay yisroel to advise us whether Mr Cohens Ideas are endorseable or not
ohev yisrael
I don’t think we need them. I KNOW. and anybody who doesn’t think we need them doesn’t KNOW anything about Torah – only politics. (Hashem yerachem)
Daas Torah has ALWAYS prohibited penalizing Jewish Children for the sins of the father. ALWAYS without exception. The idea itself is completely preposterous, absurd, and antithetical to Yiddishkeit.
The idea of using the non-Jewish authorities to prosecute these crazy Jews (as everything else suggested), clearly needs the approval of Daas Torah. I for one never heard Daas Torah approving these self-decided ideas.
The same way the Eidah, Agudah, Degel and Mizrachi could join against the reform in a unified protest, why can’t we join now against these guys?
Let’s remember. They are acting in defiance to ALL Torah leadership of the generation!
If a ‘Cheider’ will not tolerate a child from a Mizrachi home, because of their contradictory Hashkafa, and the message it sends to the rest of the class, why is it different when a child comes from a home where Torah authority doesn’t mean anything???
Ohev, it was said that we have the Gedolim on this. If you don’t accept that, then go ask the Gedolim you self. In the meantime, this “it is good in theory, but let’s not do anything……” is just getting out of hand.
Where in the Hamodia is that article that Nameless was referring to? What section?
Nameless said: “DO NOT PICK ON MOSHE ARYEH FRIEDMAN IF YOU VALUE YOUR LIFE….HE IS VIOLENCE PERSONIFIED. I WASNT ALLOWED TO POST DETAILS ON WHY BUT PLEASE JUST TRUST ME….HE MADE ENOUGH TROUBLE FOR HIS OWN FAMILY….” I think if this guy (goy) is violent we should know why. Especially as it looks like there will be an increase in protests against him and NK. Anyone else know about any of this and what makes him dangerous?
Just a FYI Baruch has Smecha so the “Mr. Coehn” post should be eddited and changed to “Rabbi”
I’ll be glad to reveal if YW allows it…..
The Ku Klux Karta have already gotten their 15 minutes of fame and we should not give them any more. Total cherem is what they deserve, but it is very hard to enforce, and, for instance, in Monsey where they have their own moisdois resha, it will not do much good.
However, 2) – checking into their tax exempt status and sources of income – is a good idea as it seems clear that they are receiving money from terrorists and supporters of terrorists (and in the case of Moshe Aryeh Friedman YMS ShR”Y, from neo-Nazis as well). How can this be done?
TO ”MR COHEN” THANK YOU AND KEEP IT UP. THE FRUM COMMUNITY IS SLEEPING – WE NEED YOU TO KEEP THIS ISSUE ON THE FRONT PAGE, AND THANKS TO THIS WEBSITE FOR UPDATING THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK WE SHOULD GATHER AS MANY PICTURES AS POSSOBILE OF THESE TRAITORS KISSING HITLER, AND WE SHOULD TAKE IT TO ALL THE GEDOLIM AROUND THE GLOBE AND HAVE THEM SIGN OFF ON THESE PEOPLE MAYBE THEN, THE FRUM COMMUNITY WOULD AWAKEN TO THIS CANCER, AND FINALY BATTLE THESE RESHOIM.
IT’S ALWAYS EASY TO CRITISIZE, BUT I THINK ”MR COHEN” IS RIGHT, AND WE NEED TO START SOMEPLACE,
I HOPE THIS WONDERFULL WEBSITE KEEPS THIS ISSUE ALIVE, SO PEOPLE COULD CONTINUE COMMENTING ON IT. THIS WILL BRING NEW IDEAS TO LIGHT, ON HOW TO BATTLE THESE TRAITORS.
“We must know exactly what Chassidic denomination they belong to.”
No, no, no. Please do NOT drag innocent members of any Chassidus or kehilla into this. The fact is that these are oisvorfen (lowlives) who get no respect in whatever communities they once belonged to, and are no longer under the jurisdiction of the Rebbeim, rabbonim, batei din etc of any official community. Weiss, Beck and Feldman have their own community in any case, as does Freaky Freedy (his community consists of exactly 1/60th of a person who happens to have reddish hair, a short beard, short payess, and a penchant for dressing up and entertaining Muslims in Berlin on Shabbos).
Dragging entire communities into the mud because they happen to have dysfunctional members who broke away in any case is chalila like spreading mikveh nayess about Yitzchak Avinu because he had a son named Esav.
(I apologize if this was sent once already – but I think I may have timed out. I also fixed a typo.)
I just returned from the demonstration. It was a ‘shande’ in many ways.
When I arrived at one o’clock there were about 200-300 demonstrators. The NKs had close to 100 nuts on their side of the street. While the NKs had a powerful loudspeaker, the demonstrators had a small handheld one that was barely audible. Luckily, about a half hour into the rally, Alto Music provided a speaker system that at least allowed the demonstrators to crank up the volume.
It was unfortunate that the JDO ‘organized’ the rally – which may have kept some people away. While the NK nut was able to spew his venom without even coming up for air, the demonstrators couldn’t find a speaker who was able to galvanize the crowd or speak for more than a minute without running out of things to say. It’s a shame a more mainstream organization could not have sponsored / participated and brought in a speaker of substance.
About an hour into the rally many Chassidishe people began showing up. I don’t know if it was out of curiosity or conviction that they were there, but I was glad to see them. In fact, one of them took the microphone and lambasted the NKs in both English and Yiddish. On the other hand, where was the representation from the Young Israel shuls of Monsey?
It appears expressing outrage against Holocaust deniers and those who give succor to the enemies of Israel and the United States is not a priority for American Jews. While I didn’t expect anyone to fly in from Los Angeles for the rally, they could have and should have been much greater representation from the locals.
If you’re keeping score, I’d say it was a tie for second place between the NKs and the demonstrators with apathy the clear winner.
If Moshe Aryeh Friedman is indeed involved in violence, is it possible to report him to the legal authorities in Vienna? Do halachos regarding mesira pertain in the case of someone who should be subject to din roidef?
I Spoke to someone that was at the rally/maachoh , he reported a win for NK . They had a showing of 100+ and coherent speakers while we (mostly JDL type people) only had an equal amount of people with disorganized screamers.
To all those who are sounding like good little libirals. it is totaly o.k that children get penilized for their parents it in the halochos of chairim if it will stop the evil its totaly o.k we are not talking about punching them! #2 if we harm them what are you talking about that we are stooping to their level!! who’s side are you on?! there is right and wrong if right kicks wrong it doesnt make right wrong it makes right a Man, for sticking up for whats right.
Does anybody know approximatly, how many people participated in this demonstration ?
was it violent ?
were the NK there at their head-quaters ?
the satmar have totally disavowed any relationship with the nk
the nk have chosen to go against every gadol in both words and deeds
it makes me ill when they are described as religious and/or orthodox
their words and videos are currently being featured on neo nazi websites
if it can be determined that they have either recieved funding or helped to funnel monies to terrorist organizations, then under the patriot act, they can and should be prosecuted under the full extent of the law.
and to joseph….if a child can be kept out or removed from a yeshiva or day school because his/her parents own a tv, then surely a child can be removed if his/her parents create a public chillul hashem
one more thing that can be done is that no one should sell these chayos any chassidishe clothing. Unless they can make their own they would be unable to perpetuate the farce of dressing like unzirer and have the secular world call them Rabbis like they did on the radio today.
From what I observed on this issue including today’s protest, it seems to me that the NK people are well organized and way ahead of the game. Its very easy to write strongly on message boards and to sound mighty but when the hands were shown (like today’s “BIG” protest) the NK people showed they know how to play the game and made the anti-NK people look like the amateurs they are.
While some ideas thrown about above sounds good I am sure they have long ago prepared how to defend all this.
So all wishful thinkers keep writing, so you can have a success rate of 100% but be ready to look like fools again when you take action.
Does anybody else find it way too coincidental that the NK in America is based in Monsey? So let’s see…….. For years and years the large, frum community of Monsey has enabled these imposters to dwell in their community, daven with them, eat with them, conduct business with them, and learn with them(doubtful) while knowing full well that these losers were consorting with arafat, Y’mach Shmo, and taking out full page ads in The Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and other major publications in support of our sworn enemies.
I think Hakodosh Baruch Hu,kavyochol, “rewarded” the Monsey community for their years of inaction with years of treif meat. After all, if they didn’t mind N’veilos living with them side-by-side, why should they mind eating some?
I don’t mean to come down so harshly on Monsey; but if you live there, dear reader, you should’ve shown these guys the bottom of the Tappan Zee a long time ago – it’s YOUR chiyuv, and it’s not too late!!!
I don’t think they deserve normal people showing up to demonstrate against them. A demonstration is usually a tool used against a position of power etc. which cares about public opinion. But this gang doesn’t care, and a demonstration is just what they’re waiting for (I noticed that even the all out anti NK activist Mr B Cohen didn’t include demonstrations in his list. He probably shares this opinion).
Competing with them on demonstration ‘performances’ is like the Israeli army going to fight the Hizbullah in their underground tunnels, before using any air force.
WE have the organized communities, WE have the schools, the political connections etc. so why demonstrate on the streets instead of just doing what’s aught to be done, with Torah authorities leading the cause.
This demonstration was a day late and a dollar short. In Manchester, Ahmed Cohen got his 1000 egg raw omelet almost the day he came back from meeting with Haman. That was hmmm…14 days ago? Now, Saddam has been done away with, and that displaced the NK nonsense in most of the news, the legal holidays are BH behind us and people are back to work, and no one remembers these clowns anymore.
Now, the only things left to do are to really enforce a cherem as best as possible (WITHOUT violence), and to get a clear psak if need be so that we can use law enforcement to investigate their sources of funding in the US, the UK and Vienna. Forget demonstrations this long after the fact. They hardly work even for causes such as Shabbos and desecrations of graves in EY – why waste time and energy and just get more news coverage for these menuvelach?
Do not forget that the more coverage they get, the more the Muslim radical from Atlantic Avenue or the lefty from Berzerkley or the redneck from Mississippi can turn on the TV or the Net and be convinced that this Ku Klux Karta klutzkeit is the real Torah view. That can turn into real trouble for us when they start spewing their venom all over the press and the Internet.
dear yt editor
keep up the good work. you seem to be helping all the baalabatishkeit stay on the internet and out of the bais medrash
Furthermore, throwing these kids outta school would deprive them of the ONLY proper chinuch they are getting! imagine if they had to leave, they might have to resort to worst alternatives and end up becoming as bad or worst than their fathers.
Mr Cohen Keep up your holy work. I have a Rebbi who is aSatmar Chosid. He explained to me that NK are total apikorsim even according to their own shita, besides being Mechallel Hashem.
1) According to the Satmar Rebbis view that Jews should not conquer Israel before Moshiach, but Jews definetely do not have any right in giving Israel to Arab murderers. If someone follows the 3 oathes in Mesachtes Kesubos then they cannot comment if Israel should be by the Americans, UN, English, Turkey or anyone else.
2) According to their seforim it is forbidden to apposse the United states and other western democracies.
3) To say that we hope (Cholilla) that the Hamas will soon take over Israel is open Kefira against believing the iminent coming of the Moshiach.
Never will anyone from NK mention MOSHIACH, as if they would believe and say that WE PRAY FOR THE IMMEDIATE ARRIVAL OF MOSHIACH WHEN ALL JEWS WILL BE RETURNED TO ERETZ YISROEL” they will no longer be buddies with the Hitlers of our time.
Itzik:
They cant cause us any trouble via the media if they are challenged in debate by another Chassidish individual who can successfully discredit their twisted concepts! I think more media attention on BOTH sides is imperative until we finally destroy them indefinitly
If the frum community realy wants to put a end to this group of jewish nazis then we all need to be unified. And the way to go about it, is to gather as much photos and information as possobile, of them kissing and embracing the HITLERS of our times.and present it to all gedolim around the globe. The gedolim are not surfing the internet to learn exactly what these animals are doing, and therefore we need to gather all information possobile on these reshoim and once the gedolim see what these jewish nazis are doing, they may come out with a unified p’sak, on what to do against them.
If these vermin would’t wear jewish clothing, the outcry would be much worse, everybody would say that they’re anti-semites, and would do everything possobile to stop them, but since they’re dressed in jewish clothing everybody is going on with their daily life and not paying to much attention to them,
WE MUST AWAKEN TO THIS, AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEM, LET’S GO TO OUR GEDOLIM.WEATHER SATMAR, SEFARDIC, LITVISH,BELZ ,YEMENITE,VIZSHNITS, ETC.
Nameless:
Is there such an individual whose views will be respected? You need a real pro to go up against these clowns, because they know how to twist arguments, ignore facts and just rant away. Freaky Freedy changes his story more often than he changes clothes!
It is disgusting looking at them kissing. I suggest they do Achas L’Maala V’Sheva l’matta
hey Laibel:
According to rabbonim, the 3 oaths in Kesubos is AGGADIATA, and not halachah.
This whole issue of the NK is not on the mind of our Gedolim,,so lets cool jets. The next rally in support of Israel and anti-terror, the NK crew will be out there proudly marching, grinning and teaching perverted Torah to the masses and media. “Od Avinu Chai”—
zero_tolerance are you a mekubal? How in heaven’s name do you propose the garbage you put forth. YOU know why things happen in this world? Your no better than Beck who blames all the world’s problems on zionism. Don’t pretend to understand why anything happens to us as a whole.
Perhaps we should all look in our own mirrors and see how we can improve our avdus haborei as a way to improve our plight in this world but dont dare suggest that Monsey either knew about this problem or that it is the cause of our eating treif.
Shoymer you are sooooo right, amha’aratzus abounds!
Itzik:
I think YOU would be a good candidate. But seriously, Baruch Cohen did a good job and I’m sure there others out there who would be up to the task.
Anyways, I think you give these idiots far too much credit. With regard to that Fox Interview, I thinkWeissTOOK A DIVE STRAIGHT INTO THE LOONEY BIN!
and i’m not saying this to comfort myself!
I DEFINITLY THINK THAT THE MEDIA IS THE ONLY DIPLOMATIC CIVIL AND INTELLIGENT SOLUTION.
Pro Not Anti:
I defintily agree that ZERO came across a bit harsh, but lets not forget, there IS such a thing as ‘schar vionesh’ and it DOES SAY ‘migalgilin zechus al yedei zackai vochoivo al yedei chayov’. Hashem chooses those who merit ‘good’ accordingly AS those who merit ‘evil’.
As our Sages tell us ‘never to cross a bridge with one who is guilty’
To sheryl: Alot of people were there and yes nk was there they were standing outside on hq front yard. They like all the attention
Moishe Aryeh Friedman mechalel shabbes in
public http://www.alb-islam.de/quds2006-friedmann.wmvFriedman
check this out!!!!
H-FROZE:
Where is the Chillul Shabbos? The Shtreimel doesn’t mean that it’s shabbos. That’s just his ‘working clothes.’
BTW, its and old clip, and you need to taked off friedman from the end of the url, it should end .wmv
hellfrozeover, the link is no good. Can you please post a working one. Thanks.
Someone asked me to spill out specifics on why Mr. Friedman is violent! Well is that really neccessary? I mean just look at him . For his face alone i’d give him 10 years in the slammer!
Midwesterner:
I posted this link a while back and before I did, I checked it out. The clip was taken on 10/21/2006 which was Shabbos Parshas Bereishis. In additon, an article on the site which links to it (a Muslim site) mentions that the demonstration where Freaky Freedy spoke took place on samstag, which is German for Saturday.
http://www.alb-islam.de/quds2006-friedmann.wmv is the correct URL.
TO SAY IT PLAINLY…
HABOH LEHORGUCH; HASHKEM V’……….
does anyone have evidence that the Iranian embassy paid for NK’s trip to deny the holocaust? does anyone have evidence of their flight itinerary for that trip?