According to a report in the Jerusalem Post, a Tzefas resident who allegedly hit his nine-year-old son was arrested on Sunday. The father was arrested after his son filed a complaint with the police. The father was being investigated and the son will be placed with a foster family.
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I hate to say it, but there are a lot nutty people in Tzefat. I was there for a year, and have never been back there since.
so what opinion do you wan2 know?
need more info. was father beating kid or was he using discipline in a normal way?
What 9 year old would call police over a slap on the wrist?
It’s impossible to know, based on the story, if he was abused or not, or if he happens to take the police option a little too seriously.
I think it’s a bit foolish to formulate an opinion with so many variables (in addition to the two I mentioned) and so little information other than 9 year old goes to cops; father is arrested; kid gets foster home.
Firstly, since its coming from the Jpost, one must question the veracity of this report. Likelihood is that it is factually incorrect.
Secondly, since when does one believe a 9 year old angry at his father?
And thirdly, he may have well deserved the petch (omigosh, how 20th century is that!? )
#5 BTW Rav Avigdor Miller zt”l said in a well-known Bais Din re: abusive behavior, that children over the age of 6 are to be believed.
More information is needed in this case of a father hitting a child before a decision can be made.
Well it says there was an investiagtion ! So obviously they deemed it neccessary to have the father arrested. Furthermore, the child will be placed ina foster home. lets use our ‘fifth’ Shulchan Orech and assume that its not just a slap on the wrist!
Nameless,
how can you assume anything? this is israel anything to start up with the frum people. I still say that more information has to be released before anyone can make any assumptions or descisions.
Rachmanus,
The child is also Frum(if, we assume the family is, there is no indication in the post as far as them being religious), by the same logic they can smear him as well by writing a piece on how ‘spoiled and uneducated’ the Charedim are. I realize there are alot of anti Frum sentiments out there but I get a feeling that this story is not a culprit for any of them! But ofcourse one can never be sure!
#7, Rav Avigdor Miller believed in disciplining children with petch.
And all the story indicates is that the child received (perhaps some well-deserved) petch.
And further, since this involves zionists (who cannot be believed even for the weather), what is new about them kidnapping children and putting them in a ”foster home”?
Does the Yemenite childrens fate mean anything to you?
Nos; 11
I think your either watching too many Soap Operas or reading too much ‘Reader’s Digest’,
J post happens to be a little more sympathetic to the FRUM,
Can talmidim arrest their rebbaim for a potch or slap? WHEW, that can close down most of the schools in Israel!!!! (my kids were in the system for awhile)
#12, To me, unlike you perhaps, even ONE soap opera is too much — as I don’t have a tube in der heim.
Secondly, Readers Digest (which is one of the cleanist and non-liberal periodicals) is a lot better then the religious-bashing zionist Jpost. Being ‘a little more sympathetic’ than the Torah bashing at Haaretz and Ynet doesn’t say much for it.
What’s Your Opinion??????? My opinion is: Yeshiva World is a GREAT source of information – provided in a balanced Torah format – but. . .zeh lo lefi chvodchem! Sorry! :((
Even assuming the boy is telling the truth, there are still no details as to what the child did, (was he trying to push his younger sibling into the street? Was he playing with fire etc?) where did the father physically (on his son’s body) hit him (makes a world of difference!), how hard was the “hit” (a potch on his backside or a punch in his face C”V!!) was it b’rabim (adding busha) or in private? etc. etc. etc. There are so many details that make a world of relative difference – no?
14,
Noch a Mazel that you dont have the Tube in der heim!
When would you have time for the internet????
#16, to me it isn’t a mazel but a brocho. You should try it yourself and you’ll see what I mean.
Ich hub nit kein internet nur ‘Kosher Net.’ And YW is a kosher site. But since you mention time spent, you seem to spend an awful lot of it here! (One of the most prolific in fact…)
17,
Dont take it so personally! And you dont know that I DO have the tube so dont assume please. In any case, there is no BITUL TORAH with women.
But getting back to the topic,its just not logical that this incident would be “used” by the aNTI Frum to bring out a point! Wouldnt they just go the whole nine yard and be ‘Motzi Shem Roh ‘ this guy by saying he did the worst??
its incremental. they take every opportunity to take shots at the Yidden. a bidel du, a bisel durt. don’t underestimate yout opponent.
There really isn’t enough information to give an educated opinion on this issue. But I’m wondering where the MOTHER of the child was and what role she might have played in this story.
This is a terrible post. Asks our opinion but provides almost no information or details on the story.
Why not wait until we have all the facts before you all become the eitza gabers
Et tu nameless? You are a believer of the Jpost crum?
Please clarify for us all if you have a tube or not, rather then relying on inneuendo and half-statements like “dont assume please.”
It is high time we fight back against the zionist storm troopers.
There’s hitting and there’s beating. We don’t know what the father actually did. Hitting a child is not prohibited but, wanton beating is wrong.There are children who sometimes threaten their parents to report them to the authorities even when there is no real abuse either. I personally have known children who did that. Since we don’t know what really took place we cannot judge the father.
What was the point of putting up this article in opinion form?
If this guy is really just giving his kid a frask – then kol hakovod. We have to explain to the mishtarah that this kid needed tzvei petch & that’s it.
However, if this guy is a nut-job kook who is going overboard & abusing his kids – then he deserves tzvei petch himself.
This is not a matter which is subject to opinions – it’s the facts that we need.
nameless and volvie…. how ’bout over coffee in Starbucks on Broadway. In fact, YW will sponser!! Hey, maybe you guys can make a deal together of some sort. Can we find out what you’z do 4 a living? 🙂
ploini, good suggestion. maybe namel will fill us in how things went.
Cherry,
The Roman Emperor’s shocking last-minute-discovery and my positon here is a poor analogy. Its silly to predict that EVRYTHING jpost writes is a blatant lie. Besides, your last line is melodramatic and premature in this case, especially when the article is so sketchy.
But in fact, are we being asked our opinion based on the way the story was written ,or on the content itself??
It certainly not responsible journalism to print something without any detail at all. How would it look if parents would now feel pressured to show restraint for fear of being arrested when trying to discipline their kids? Its ridiculous!
nameless, who ever expected “reponsible journalism” from the zionist press (in this case the Jpost)? They are worse than the neo-nazi press in there outright lies.
re: post 14 “…Readers Digest (which is one of the cleanist…” — sadly this part is no longer true. :o( — it might be better than some other family magizines, but, I have noticed that the “family values” tone has taken a downward turn.
mdlevine, that is sadly (as you said) true. RD used to be top notch (but still is much better than the vast majority of periodicals on the market.)
Even the Wall Street Journal isn’t what it used to be. (They now have photos — something they previously hadn’t had.)