Supporters of Jerusalem Deputy Mayor Papo Allalo, a representative of the pro-secular voice in the capital, have been sending SMS text messages to one another in preparation for what appears will be a provocative Shabbos, events against shmiras shabbos in Yerushalayim.
The text messages speak of “special activities”, calling on followers to come with their vehicles to the prearranged meeting place. According to the HaMevaser report, the messages also state “we cannot say more at present”.
Askanim working towards increased shmiras shabbos in Yerushalayim are calling on the frum tzibur not to be dragged into the provocation, to avoid confrontation and not to give the opponents the satisfaction of ruining Shabbos Kodesh.
Messages stress that any confrontation only serves for headlines in the secular press, and such actions must be avoided.
(Yechiel Spira – YWN Israel)
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In the days of the Old Yishuv, did the Muslims ever object to the Jews (all were Hareidim back them) keeping Shabbos?????????
They already have the satisfaction of ruining Shabbos – they have succeeded in dragging out chareidim with the parking lot fiasco.
The confrontations there have been have been disgusting. Members for the frum community threw dirty diapers and rocks. The idea shouldn’t be that confrontation only serves for headlines in the secular press – it should be that people shouldn’t act like animals and go around making chilul Hashem. Can you imagine – on Shabbos frum people are throwing dirty diapers and rocks in protest of people being michalel Shabbos. Terrible.
i wonder if we will see those policemen on horses trampling them too?
#3, I’m interested in hearing what you think should be done to protest the chilul shabbos in Yerushalayim? Or do you think nothing should be done and let everyone do what they want?
To #1 “akuperma” – NO, the arabs didn’t object to the Jews keeping Shabbas, they just objected to the Jews being ALIVE! -Or maybe things like the Hevron massacre in 1929 (PRE-state of Israel) happened because the arabs were nevi’im and knew that 38 years LATER the Jews would liberate Hevron. – Come on, I have more taiynas against the “state” (such as it is) than most, but let’s not use that to make the yishmaeli savages look like good guys! – Regarding the current protests, I would suggest that 100 Rabanim protesting (who would know the proper way to behave) could accomplish as much or MORE than thousands of teenagers (who do NOT know how to behave!)
We must all Daven to Hashem for these poor uneducated souls to return to Our Father in Heaven!
#5, the compromise to not charge any money and use non-Jewish labor should have been enough. That isn’t chillul shabbos.
#6 – 1929 was well after the secular zionists has taken control of the Jewish community and were demanding that the Arabs be made into second class citizens or expelled altogether (without even entering into the question of whether the British government was behind the riots since even after the murder of Dr. De Haan, they were afraid of the Hareidim undermining their “divide and conquer” strategy in Palestine). Once the yishuv was controlled by the hilonim, war was inevitable, since driving out the Arabs was critical to the hilonim plan, and after De Haan’s murder warned off the rabbanim, the hareidim were aligning themselves with the zionists by not opposing them actively.
The truth is that the goyim don’t mind us keeping Shabbos. Only the Hilonim.
to #5, there are plenty of other methods that accomplish the same thing without reducing one’s humanity. How about forming a human line in front of the parking lot preventing cars from coming? No rocks, no dirty diapers, just standing there. It’s known as civil disobedience. Don’t celebrate their actions, they should be embarrassed and there should be claims coming from the community denouncing the actions of those people who engaged in such acts. One cannot protest chillul shabbos by engaging in chillul shabbos. He who does so loses all credibility.
Picture the following: the secularists tirelessly plan this event, preparing to confront the Chareidim. The Chareidim completely ignore the event subliminally demonstrating their irrelevance in this instance. No negative publicity in the press of Jew vs Jew.
Just a thought.
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#5 – you are telling me you can’t think of a way to protest something in a non violent non digusting way? That the only way you can think of is to throw rocks and dirty diapers?
“We must all Daven to Hashem for these poor uneducated souls to return to Our Father in Heaven! ”
one way or the other
#13 – which ones – the ones who throw feces and rocks at people – who are supposed to know better / know how to treat another human being /know the laws of Shabbos or those who we consider to be tinokim she’lo yodiim? those who have the potential to be baalei teshuva if they were taught the ways of the Torah – Deracheya Darchei Noam – rather than being taught that when you become frum you lose all manners and all sense of what is acceptable?
#9 “akuperma” you said “since driving out the Arabs was critical to the hilonim plan”. You must be kidding. You think in 1929 the chilonim were planning that??? Even 20 years later, during the War of Liberation, when the IDF was just in its infancy (they were struggling to unite the forces of the Hagana, the Palmach, the Irgun, and the Lechi) even then they were so poorly armed and with such minimal manpower they could not think beyond day to day, week to week survival. Please, the chilonim have enough that they are guilty of without trying to blame them for the yishmaeli aspirations of annihilating us. Yes, you ARE correct that “the goyim don’t mind us keeping Shabbos”, they just mind that we are still around AT ALL.
This is the flip side of the coin with which we try to impose Shabbos observance on the fraier –
Not an easy call for me – but I have secular relatives in Eretz Yisroel, as well as frum ones, and I see the frustration they feel when there is pressure on the State to enforce Shabbos bans on transportation and the like – and when the State is acting only as a result of political coalition dealmaking, not out of sincere hoshkofa.
Basic basic human nature, and an essential component of training in kiruv as well, says we need to understand from where these people are coming. It doesn’t suffice merely to tell them triumphally that we are acting in accordance with God’s law, or, for example, that “lifestyle” marches represent filth. These secular folk believe they are dishing it out to people who have been dishing it out to them, trampling on their “basic civil rights.”
Oy – not an easy issue.
For all those screaming about what a chillil Hashem some off the chareidim are making, is it just me or is this article about the secularists baiting the chareidim and their askanim asking themnot to respond in kind?
#17 – well where is the article about the charedim throwing the dirty diapers and rocks? For some reason I didn’t see it on this website.
To # 2, they dragged no one out. The chareidim came out on their own.
To # 4, I’m sure if during their protest they throw rocks, diapers and fight with the police you will see the same reaction.
To # 5, Being shomer shabbos is one of our most basic beleifs and commandments. However in a state which I’m confident most of the charedi protestors don’t even hold of or contribute to, how can they try to force our beliefs on others? So the answer is yes, they should “allow” them to do what they want. It should have no affect on them. Not everyone is shomer shabbos, torah and/or mitzvos if they want to get their point across, invite them for a meal show them the beauty of what being religious means. And if they don’t take to it, they are no less our brothers and sisters.
To # 7, Whoever you meant – that is the most dispicable comment I have read.
Laslty, For the secular crowd to try and provoke the frum one is just terrible. #11 is right, what a kiddush Hashem it would be if there was no “counter protest” and everyone just left them alone. I would be surprised if they threw rocks, garbage, diapers or got physical with the police.
I think we all have our priorities messed up and we have to look at the bigger picture and just see that our neighbors want every Jew – long payos or no payos, long skirt or short shorts – out of the land. At this rate they won’t have to do anything we will do it to ourselves.
Moshe Horowitz
To Mr Horowitz. I wrote #7 and I think you are missing my point. It is sad that the chilonim are so distant from anything true and jewish that they actually HATE Shabbos! How did they become like this??! I can understand Arabs protesting Shabbos as another thing to hate jews about, but our own brothers and sisters! It is just sad! I agree that #11 is right and that the chareidim should stay home and that would be a kiddush hashem, but I also think that whoever stays home should spend that time (at least that time) devoted to davening to Hashem that these people against Shabbos come back to yiddishkeit. May we all be Zocheh to have our tefillos reach hashem and we never hear about this again!! Have a good shabbos!
There’s no question that the zionists were responsible for our bad relations with the Arabs in ’29.
It’s a meforash gemara: byad Yishmael vlo byad Eisav.
The German XXitians were much worse to us than Arabs ever were.
Ignore them. Ignore them. Ignore them.
Please – just let them waste their time. Just keep Shabbos. If you ignore them….this stuff will stop.