MAILBAG: The IDF-Escorted Trips To “Kever Rav Ashi” Is The Latest Dangerous Stunt From The Shuvu Banim Cult


Another day, another reckless stunt from Shuvu Banim. This time, nearly 800 of their followers, along with members of the Breslov community, gathered at what they claim is the kever of Rav Ashi—right along the Israel-Lebanon border, in a highly sensitive military zone. The IDF, already stretched thin dealing with real security threats, was tasked with escorting them to this so-called “holy site.” But there’s just one glaring problem: there isn’t a shred of evidence that Rav Ashi is buried there.

Rav Ashi, the great Amora who played a pivotal role in compiling the Gemara, lived and died in Bavel. Every serious historical and Talmudic source supports this, and none place him in Eretz Yisroel, let alone on the Lebanon border. Talmud Bavli (Bava Basra 157b) describes his death but does not indicate that he ever set foot in Eretz Yisrael. His entire life and scholarly work were centered in Sura, Babylonia, without a single reference to travel or burial in the land of Israel. The 10th-century historical account by Rav Sherira Gaon, one of the most authoritative sources on the lives of the Talmudic sages, explicitly states that Rav Ashi died in Sura: “ורב אשי זקן בסורא ומית שם”—“And Rav Ashi grew old in Sura and died there.” Nowhere does it suggest his body was transported elsewhere or that he had any connection to the region now claimed as his burial site.

Lebanon, though part of the broader Land of Israel in antiquity, was not a center of Jewish scholarship during Rav Ashi’s time. The primary Torah hubs were in Babylonia (Sura and Pumbedisa) and in Eretz Yisrael (Teverya). There is simply no historical record of Rav Ashi ever having ties to the region near the modern Israel-Lebanon border.

And yet, despite overwhelming evidence that this so-called “kever” is nothing more than a baseless myth, nearly 800 people risked their safety—and the safety of IDF soldiers—to visit it. This isn’t the first time Shuvu Banim members have caused chaos over this fabricated holy site. Just last month, twenty of them illegally crossed into Lebanon to daven there, leading to arrests. Days later, another thirty attempted the same, with four detained after confrontations with security forces. Now, with IDF protection, the crowd swelled to nearly 800, forcing the army to divert resources to facilitate this madness.

Even if the claim about the kever had any legitimacy, does anyone seriously believe that Rav Ashi—who dedicated his life to Torah—would have wanted people endangering themselves and others just to visit his gravesite? How many of those who went on this pilgrimage have ever even learned a daf of Gemara in their lives?

There is a clear difference between genuine Jewish tradition and reckless, cult-like behavior. Authentic Judaism values Torah, intellect, and truth. This spectacle was the opposite—a dangerous and irrational obsession with unverified “kevarim” that puts lives at risk. No serious talmid chacham would endorse this. Rav Ashi himself, the very man who codified our Gemara, would never have supported such a baseless and reckless pilgrimage. Torah is about truth, not hysteria.

Time and again, Shuvu Banim has proven that their priorities lie elsewhere. Whether through their fanatical devotion to their twisted leader or their obsession with fabricated traditions, they continue to create crises, expecting the military to accommodate their fantasies. The IDF has far more pressing concerns than escorting people to imaginary gravesites. Our soldiers should not have to risk their lives because a group of extremists decided that a Shi’ite shrine in Lebanon must actually be Rav Ashi’s kever. At a time when real threats loom on the northern border, this kind of reckless behavior is beyond irresponsible. It’s madness.

Signed,

Veshama Haemes

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9 Responses

  1. I also have my issues with Shuvu Banim, but if not for them and their reckless methods of visiting mekomos kedoshim, none of us would be be able to daven at Kever Rachel.

  2. I’m tired of these anonymous letters. If you can’t put your name to your statement it should not be presented publicly.
    Ari Davis

  3. Why are you more concerned with security than the IDF themselves? They have shown no hesitation to close mekomos kedoshim in the past for security reasons. If they agree to open access to the kever on their terms why does that bother you? Because the Arabs say it’s a Muslim grave? They say that about Kever Rachel also (They call it Bilal ibn Rabakh, check it out.) They also say there never was a Beis Hamikdash in Yerushalayim… Do you buy that also? If you have issues with the authenticity of this particular kever, no one is forcing you to go there.

  4. Just to be clear, I absolutely do not condone in any way attempting to access mekomos hakedoshim in dangerous and illegal ways, but this was a legal and pre-approved entry. I once visited the kever of Yehoshua bin Nun on the yahrzeit with hundreds of other Jews (of all types) with a heavily armed escort that probably was a logistical balagan for the Army. They do it every year, and the soldiers were very friendly (not so much so the local yokels…) and looked quite happy and proud of what they were doing. Many of them were also davening.

  5. technically rav ashi lived in masa mechasya which was a suburb of sura, and during his time the community in eretz yisrael (tiveria) was almost entirely wiped out due to christian roman oppression. the last amoraim from eretz yisrael had moved to bavel alraedy two generations prior. and i have seen the tradition that hes buried there brought down in a reputable source (the artscroll intro to the talmud)

  6. “How many of those who went on this pilgrimage have ever even learned a daf of Gemara in their lives?”
    How much sinas chinam do you visit upon your wife and kids? Haters gonna hate.

  7. and the idf doesnt exactly bow down to chareidim, so if they facilitated the escort i highly doubt there was any life at risk

  8. They could of prayed down the hill also the only reason they went to the grave was to say that Israel must last forever or they won’t have the grave of Rav ashi this is a disgrace to him if he was buried there, but not only to him but to all the people buried in Israel, it’s another part of we will never go back to the exile only existence till moshiach, and the worst thing is they went with the safety of the Israel army, a place that life is the indulgence of girls and false Jewish pride, and completely wrong philosophy, this that Rav ashi would want them there and not the arabs is also not necessarily true

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