18 Responses

1. What falls into this geder?

2. The Gaon is stating the obvious. No chiddushim here.

3. Zionism and idolatry are the same.

4. In my opinion, this letter just lowers the esteem of the rav

5. where are all the zionists?

6. It’s a machlokes haposkim. R Chaim Kanievsky zt”l said it’s ok to vote in the WZO elections and so R’ Lanau shluta holds its assur

7. Let’s give the land to the Arabs.
   He is a big kanai. Against the army against Shai graucher

8. Maybe in the past things weren’t as bad but it’s clear as day now that even the so-called religious zionists put down the Learners any chance they get and backstab them by kissing up to the liberal trash secular people of Israel trying to get brownie points by showing their on their side. They’re not fooling anyone. The ideology has become too far apart to mingle anymore. This Rabbi is absolutely right it’s time to just rely on God who will ultimately probably only save their side, given the Venom that that other side spews against them. Which side would you rather be standing on when the Dominos start to fall? In your heart you know the answer. I fully back this gadol b’yisrael and anyone who has the chutzpah to talk against him as if he’s one of your buddies is a shameful excuse for a Jew.

9. For those who support R’ Landau what’s his answer for the damage reform are doing in EY? What’s his answer for R’ chaim Z”L?

10. while the world seethes around us, such achdus…Moshiach is surely right around the corner

11. Good morning Klal Yisroel.
    Isn’t this exactly what Satmer Rebbe ZY”L wrote in his Sefer Vyoel Moshe 70 years ago?

12. By you can take their stipends take their medical insurance and any other free bees.
    Just wondering how much money his institution receives from the government.

13. Gershy- You are not supposed to be beachdus with reshaim and with ppl who want to destroy to smitherines your way of life.

    Did Yaakov want to be with eisav.. eisav did?

    The answer is no.
    he said if you go left I’m going right and if you go right I’m going left.

14. 70 years ago if al yidden would of gone up to Eretz Hakodesh, Moshiach would of been here, but he sees that we think that we are very comfortable in Chutz laeretz ,and we don’t go up to Eretz Hakodesh, so he is in gaules with us.

15. Kollelfaker that’s a disgusting way to talk about a big rabbi. Unless you don’t follow any news at all you would know that his institution is getting nothing since Learners are now State criminals who don’t get any stipends or even Child Care vouchers anymore. But don’t worry the Arabs are still getting everything and I know you’re very Pro them even though they don’t go to the Army and they go to our universities and chant death to Jews, I hope you’re happy that they’re still getting paid

16. Rocky, your statement “It’s a machlokes haposkim. R Chaim Kanievsky zt”l said it’s ok to vote in the WZO elections” cannot be true.

    It is impossible that Rav Chaim Kanievsky zt”l would have permitted voting in WZO elections, as it would be a direct contradiction to the clear and unwavering Mesorah of all Gedolei Yisrael.

    Rav Yosef Sholom Elyashiv zt”l, Rav Chaim’s father-in-law, explicitly ruled that it is absolutely forbidden to participate in WZO elections under any circumstances. In 2010, when an Orthodox political party joined the WZO, Rav Elyashiv issued one of the strongest condemnations in recent history, calling it “Nevalah Ne’esesa BeYisrael—A revolting deed has been done in Klal Yisrael,” emphasizing that any form of collaboration with the Zionist establishment was a direct attack on Torah ideals.

    Rav Chaim’s own father, the Steipler Gaon zt”l, was just as clear, stating unequivocally that Zionism is a false idol and that living under Zionist rule is “Galus under Amalek.”

    The idea that Rav Chaim Kanievsky zt”l would suddenly reverse the rulings of his father, his father-in-law, and the Gedolei HaDor before him is simply not possible.

    The WZO is not just a government institution—it is the ideological root of Zionism, a movement founded to replace Torah with nationalism.

    Gedolim have foresight—they do not merely look at the immediate action, but at its long-term consequences.

    “Eizehu chacham? HaRo’eh es haNolad.”
    “Who is wise? One who foresees the consequences.”

    This is why Gedolei HaDor were always unequivocal: participation in the WZO is forbidden because it legitimizes a movement that fundamentally seeks to uproot Torah.

    Daas Torah isn’t about political strategies or personal theories—it’s about seeing reality through the lens of Torah, with absolute clarity.

    The Gedolim who prohibited involvement with the WZO did not do so out of emotion or personal opinion. They did so because they saw with absolute clarity where it leads.

    To claim that Rav Chaim Kanievsky zt”l permitted voting in the WZO would mean claiming that he reversed the rulings of his father, his father-in-law, and generations of Gedolim before him—something that is simply impossible.

    This is not a machlokes haPoskim. The Mesorah is clear: WZO elections are assur.

    If someone spends decades by a Gadol zt”l, from morning until night, learning not just from his words but from his every nuance, then of course they will know PRECISELY where he stands on matters of Daas Torah or psak.

    But it’s more than just knowing facts. A talmid who remains free from outside influences doesn’t just absorb information—he absorbs the Gadol’s way of thinking, the way he sees reality, the way he processes the world through the lens of Torah. Over time, it becomes second nature.

    The idea that Gedolim zt”l each hold entirely independent views, disconnected from one another, is simply false. There is a common consensus among the Gedolei HaDor almost all the time because their Daas Torah is rooted in Mesorah—an unbroken transmission, passed from Rebbe to Talmid, generation after generation. Just as the Gedolim of today are shaped by the Gedolim of the past, so too were those Gedolim shaped by the ones before them.

    Daas Torah is not created in a vacuum.

    It is the living, breathing will of Hashem, as understood by the purest Torah minds, untainted by foreign ideologies.

    No Gadol zt”l ever held that drafting women (giyus banos) or Sherut Leumi was permissible. Not one.

    The Gedolim ruled, without exception, “Yehareg v’al ya’avor”—a Jew must give up their life rather than comply.

    This was not a political stance.
    This was not an ideological opinion.
    This was Daas Torah in its purest form.

    And the same is true for fundamental Torah values—no Gadol zt”l has ever legitimized compromising Torah observance or engaging with heretical ideologies.

    Some things are simply beyond debate.

    That’s why the Gedolei HaDor don’t just look at the immediate outcome, they look at the long-term consequences, decades ahead.

    Many times, history has proven them right.

    The problem is, people often only realize it too late.

    Some Gedolim zt”l saw 50 years into the future, others saw 100. The greater the Gadol, the further ahead he sees.

    And time and again, history has proven that what once seemed extreme, irrational, or unnecessary turned out to be exactly what was needed.

    This is the difference between how ordinary people process reality and how Gedolim do.

    Most people see what’s in front of them.

    The Gedolim look at the long-term consequences—not just of an action itself, but of the mindset behind it, of the precedent it sets, of where it will lead in a generation or two.

    This is why so many people only realize after the fact that the Gedolim were right—sometimes decades later, sometimes only in the next world, when they are shown what their life could have been had they followed Daas Torah.

    Look at the clarity with which the Gedolim zt”l spoke.

    The Steipler Gaon zt”l openly stated that living in Eretz Yisroel under Zionist rule is being in Galus under Amalek, and he referred to Zionism as “a false idol.”

    Let’s be real: Gedolei Yisrael have always seen decades, even centuries ahead.

    The Chofetz Chaim zt”l and Rav Chaim Brisker zt”l did not just oppose Zionism because of Herzl’s secularism; they opposed it because they understood where it would lead.

    This isn’t about “politics.”

    It’s about the Torah’s eternal truth.

    The psak of Gedolei Yisrael on Zionism is as binding today as it was 125 years ago.

    The Mesorah does not change.
    The truth does not change.
    And Daas Torah does not bend for convenience.

17. Rocky:
    He never said so. There is no such psak anywhere.

    It is important that nobody be fooled by the abominable fraud that occurred five years ago when some claimed that Rav Chaim permitted that which has always been forbidden and remains forbidden.

    At the time, LBC”L, Rav Aharon Feldman Shlit”A published a letter about this. He went so far as telling those people – who were fooled into becoming members of the WZO (literally becoming Zionists) to vote – to dispute the charge on their credit card.

    Please don’t be meisis uMediach, and please don’t be the cause of R”L L”A our shuls and schools shutting down as happened last time after the WZO vote.

    sm77:
    Thank you for your post.

18. Tziyonim:
    In which sefer did you find that? None, of course.
    Both the Satmar Rav and Brisker Rav wrote that had people not prayed for the Zionist “State” then, that Mashiach would have (not could have but *would* have) come then.

    Regardless, it is assur for Jews to ascend to E”Y en masse and/or with force. It is also forbidden for Jews to take political power, all of which the Zionists flagrantly violated, as it happens.