As the new zman began on rosh chodesh Iyar inspectors arrived in a number of yeshivos to check teudot zehut (identity cards) of talmidim and avreichim. The treasury inspectors arrived to verify that mosdos receiving funds are indeed home to the people listed. Unfortunately, many were absent as some are still abroad, returning later and some simply missed the first day of the new zman.
Some feel that inspections are testimony to the fact that the government is hounding mosdos Torah while others accept them as part of the required formalities to receive state funding.
Whatever the case, it appears a number of mosdos now find themselves in a difficult situation as too many talmidim were not present. Deputy Minister of Education (Yahadut HaTorah) Eliezer Moses is acting to iron things out.
In a media message released by the deputy minister’s staff he explained that the inspections were not recognized or ordered by his ministry and as such, any attempt to disqualify a yeshiva for state funding based on that inspection will be rejected.
(YWN – Israel Desk, Jerusalem)
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Unfortunately, “many were absent as some are still abroad, returning later and some simply missed the first day of the new zman”.
You can’t find yourself in that situation. Can you imagine if a brigade of soldiers were ready to begin its mission…….except many were no-show due to returning late or simply missing!!!!
Even if the avreichim were actually enrolled in the Yeshiva, they should at minimum be docked some of their stipend for missing days… they are paid to sit and learn in their makom, if they aren’t doing that, its only fair that they not be paid for those days (just like in a non-kollel job)…. similarly if they miss a seder, at minimum there needs to be some fiscal accountability.
This is a chillul Hashem . They should look at the Universities
“Unfortunately, many were absent as some are still abroad, returning later and some simply missed the first day of the new zman.”
Then that’s their problem. Working people cannot decide to just add on another day to their vacation either. It isn’t as if yeshiva / kollel people don’t have enough vacation yet, right?
Working people in Israel get 10 days, and that’s it (plus yomim tovim). You work on chol hamoed, you work on Purim, you work on Tisha b’Av, on Erev Yom Kippur…
And on the day your vacation ends, you’re back at work, or you risk not having to return afterwards at all. I don’t see why yeshiva/kollel should be any different.
if they want to be i yeshivah or kollel because thats what they think hashem wants them to do then they should not be extending their holiday
JACK770771, do you imagine that at universities everyone is back on the first day of the new term? Beside which, do look at the universities, whose terms are much shorter than a yeshivah’s zmanim.
To Milhouse: You are forgetting that the Universitites have an evaluation system, i.e. examinations, in sharp contrast to the mekomei haTorah.
“simply missing a day” is conduct unbecoming a ben Torah. Especially with 2 days of Rosh Chodesh Iyar!!!
Boy and not one comment trying to be melamed zechus. Just remember that a beis din that killed someone once in 70 years was frowned upon by Chazal and here we are all condemning Yeshivos without the slightest bit of evidence or facts. Let’s hope these commenters don’t sit on the Sanhedrin when Mashiach arrives or there will be daily capital punishments handed out.
You guys also forget that many Yeshivas’ schedules demand a 13-hour day, minus an hour or two for meals and mincha. Also, they have a 6 day week instead of a five day week like in America. We are also talking about young people who are in their early twenties, some fresh out of high school. It is unfair to compare the vacation times and schedule rigidity to someone who has a 9 to 5 with a 5-day week, and has to do it to pay their mortgage. Yeshiva schedules are tough, and not everyone is cut out for it , so they usually offer some leniency.
To #3, speaking from the position of having been in Yeshiva full time for a number of years, and now pursuing my degree full time, I can tell you that a Yeshiva schedule is a dozen times more demanding than a university schedule. There is no comparison.
..and to #2. Those are quite the assumptions to make. First of all, who says that the talmidim in question were on a paid stipend, and second, why would you assume there are no repercussions for absences? Many Yeshivas take attendance during every seder.
And to #7, unless you are talking about a high school classroom-style shiur, it is almost impossible to create a standardized test for a room full of beis-medrash bachurim. Everyone is learning on their own level of profundity, and everyone focuses on a different area of the sugya. You just can’t really fairly test people on that style of learning. Maybe on a gemara shiur, but since Yeshivas don’t have shiur all day, every day, it would not significantly influence attendance.
Also, they have a 6 day week instead of a five day week like in America.
BTW in Eretz Yisroel most kollelim, yeshivot gedolahs, etc. do not have seder on Erev Shabbat (Friday).
You are forgetting that the Universitites have an evaluation system, i.e. examinations, in sharp contrast to the mekomei haTorah.
What has that got to do with it?
To Number 10
OBVIOUSLY the talmidim who were missing were on a paid stipend, that’s why the government is looking for them!
And, if there were repercussions for missing seder then so many would not have been missing seder.(most are living hand to mouth- I don’t think they would be missing seder if there were real repercussions for an absence)
#13, “To Number 10
OBVIOUSLY the talmidim who were missing were on a paid stipend, that’s why the government is looking for them!
No, it is not at all obvious, to anybody with the sense Hashem gave them. It is only “obvious” to a fool who leaps to conclusions with no basis in fact.
What stipends? These are yeshivos, not kollelim; since when do yeshivah bochurim receive stipends? Go check out a university (with its much shorter terms) on the first day of the term, or on the last day, and see how many people are there.