In an interview with Channel 1, the Baba Baruch, the son of Rav Yisrael Abuchatzera zt”l, the Baba Sali, explained “The Ashkenazim hate us”. Speaking with chareidi affairs correspondent, Baba Baruch stated, “They simply have no Fear of G-d (Yiras Hashem)”.
“Those Ashkenazim degrade us to the ground. Those people simple have no Fear of G-d, those who act against other Jews…if this is the case; there is no need to send Sephardim to Ashkenazim mosdos…people like those from Emanuel cause the destruction of the Third Beis HaMikdosh!”
(Yechiel Spira – YWN Israel)
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If the problem was based on anti-Sefardi bias, then I would agree with Baba Baruch.
However, from what I have read, it is a problem of different frumkeit levels, not different minhagim.
I do not believe Baba Baruch said this. I feel this story is b’geder lashon hara.
And why exactly would YWN report this?! Are you guys trying to make more machlokes?!? The Gedolei Ashkenazim seem to support these people so what help is done by posting this story?!?
1. His father did not speak like that.
2. The issue is not one of hate. If any one group is to be part of another group (i.e. send their children to the latter’s school),they must adhere to the rules of that group/kehilah/tzibur.
With all do respect by making this comment he is lowering himself to the same level as those he is againts. What does he mean by all? such a blanket statement is at best uneducated at worst, just plain stupid.
With this said, he does have some good pionts about Ashkinaz/sphard relations in Eretz Yisroel, IMHO, they forgot what Gulis is like, let them be surronded by goyim, then they will hug every jew they meet, dosent matter if he is Ashkenaz and they are Sphard
It seems that the remarks are being taken out of context. He’s talking about certain ashkenazim, not ashkenazim in general.
The Baba Sali never spoke against Aschkenazi Jews this way, with such obvious vitriole. Baba Baruch however does not seem to reflect the same feelings to Aschkenazi money. Our money seems to have enough Yiraas Shomayim to warrant soaking naive Aschkenazis who come with sorrow and fear to him.
Isn’t the Baba Baruch the former Deputy Mayor of Ashkelon?
Unfortunately, this is all irrelevant. Once these charedim start funding their own schools, then their opinion and feelings will matter. Until then, while Israel foots the bill for their childrens education, they have the right to say who can go to what school. Don’t like it? How about they start working, paying taxes, and contribute to Israeli society and then do whatever it is they want. Until then, start accepting you live in a country that does not agree with your views on religion and that you are living in Israel, not Eretez Yisrael.
#7 Why go all the way to him?
Just go to any rebbileh in BP for the same thing!
he wasn’t talking about ashkenazi in general (even though ashkenazim in general do not have yiras shomayim because the majority of them are not frum, but that’s besides the point) he was talking about emanuel bais yaakov. and why did ywn have to vring this up anyway? to cause more strife? the headline is misleading enough…..
Hey fish – I work & pay plenty of Israeli taxes, and I would like to see my education share of it go towards Chareidi education. And I know many Chareidim who work and feel the same.
However, there are the Arabs who not only don’t work nor pay taxes, and sponge off the state, but also want to destroy us. How about pushing to stop them from receiving government aid?
SOMETHING was taken out of context here. i highly doubt that a gadol would say such a thing conclusively.
i would try to go into him to explain the Ashkenazi viewpoint over here, and as already mentioned, it has nothing to do with hating Sefardim since there will be Sefardy parents trudging to jail tommorrow too.
only problem is i cant afford the price tag to get in to see him….. (although i have heard it said that Ashkenazi money doesnt hate him….)
#11
And the majority of sefardim are frum???? Truly oyvey comment
The headline is misleading, he was referring to the people who head that school.
To those commentators above who were quick to judge, perhaps he looked into the matter much more then you did and knows the facts from up close not from media outlets which are always biased one way or another
I want to make a few very important points.
1) This story is impossible, and if it is true than it definitely has no place on this website. We are a nation that follows Gedolei Torah. Our leaders are Maran Harav Elyashiv, Maran Shteinman, Hagaon Rav Chaim kanievsky, Rav Moshe Sternbuch, the Slonimer Rebbe, the Gerrer Rebbe, just to name a few of the greatest leaders of our generation. We are small people, we have no place to give our “opinion” of what should or shouldnt happen. that is NOT the Torah way at all. This is one of the greatest chances in the history of the last 60 years to be mekadesh shem shamayim beRabim, to show that Daas Torah rules and not a SECULAR Israeli government or court system that gives Torah no place at all.
all the above and almost every other gadol beyisroel has declared their staunch support of the Emanuel parents and of their representing us, the entire Chareidi community who is only aiming to be Mekadesh Shem Shamayim
3)these gedolim have sent out their chassidim, and I mean chassidim as followers litvish, ashkenazi and yes, even sephardi to collect money on behalf of the parents for they are representing the fight for US ALL, EVEN THOSE OF US IN AMERICA….!!!!!!! THIS IS A FIGHT FOR THE CHINUCH OF OUR CHILDREN
IT IS A FIGHT TO SEE WHO HAS THE FINAL WORD IN THE COUNTRY, THE COURT OR DAAS TORAH
MI KE’AMCHA YISRAEL
a nation that is ready to walk proudly into prison in order to Do the Will of Hashem and to follow the words of our Leaders.
anyone who wants to donate money on behalf of the parents who are drowning in fines they received as punishment for their disregard of court ruling, and followiing daas Torah instead, can call the number that was posted on teh Kol Korei today for the fund which is being headed by rav Michel Yehuda Lefkowitz shlita the Rebbe of Erloi, Rav S. A. Stern Shlita, and the Gaon Rav Meir Luria shlita – the number is 972-9-970-8700 or 972-9-970-8701
Acheinu bnei yisrael, take part in this holy mitzva of being Mekadesh shem shamayim!
or send a check to P.O.B. 305, Emanuel Israel
there are hundreds of thousands of dollars of expenses involved in this case and the gedolim have said that everyone should give with an open hand
Rav Spira
I think it would be most appropriate to remove this post about the Baba from the website.
it cannot possibly do benefit to anyone
we cannot go against teh words of our gedolim, rav Elyashiv, Rav chaim Kanievsky, Rav Steinman…. just to name a few.
this post has no place here whether true or not
thank you in advance
If this article was written by Ashkenazim, does he need to say more?(in other words someone who is machshil the tzibbur with loshon hara and sinas chinam by writing this article those were the people he was talking about that have no yiraas shomayim)this is just another example of internet destroying yiddishkeit.The yetzer horo is full and satisfied thanks to sites like these and others.
signed,daas nechona
BH everyone hear is Dan L’Chaf Zechus
now why isn’t YWN?
PLEASE..WHY POST THIS STUFF.
BABA SALI WAS A TZADIK YESOD OLAM..THIS IS EMBARRASSING AND WE DON’T BELIEVE IT!
why do we need more machlokes? WE DON’T!!! what is the benefit of taking words out of the mouth of a tzaddik, and twisting them around to demonstrate their reality? please remove this news post. Hashem doesn’t like when people do hotza’as shem ra, especially about a tzaddik like the Baba.
I get the impression that the readers are not familiar with the black sheep of the Abuchatzera family. Baba Baruch has been known for decades to be no more than a fraud and charlatan. His opinion is irrelevant.
A much more achdusdige (and true) headline would be that Rav Ovadia Yosef and the Shas party have come out opposed to the High Court decision. What is YW’s agenda that it has not even mentioned this development???
to all of you that are saying this quote was taken out of context: irrelevant. the fact that those words came out of his mouth is absolutely wrong, and frankly disgusting. do we really need this? do we not have bigger enemies who are trying to kill us? do we not have more threatening adversaries who do not differentiate between ashkenazi and sefardi? are people in israel really unaware of the fact that there are animals ONLY A FEW MILES AWAY WHO HAVE NO QUALMS ABOUT BLOWING CHILDREN TO SMITHEREENS?!?
it concerns me that some people are such sheep that to them it is inconceivable that baba baruch is 100% wrong. Emunas Chachamim is important, but to a point. if rav elyashiv made the same statement concerning sefardim, i would have no problems calling him wrong. that is not to say that i dont hold him in the highest esteem, but sometimes people are wrong!
any way you spin this, he comes out wrong. there is no possible context where this sweeping generalization could be acceptable. this is sinas chinam of the highest order. are you people really blind to wrongdoing when you see it? would he have to hit you in the face with a studded bat to get your attention? we like to think of our gedolim as infallible, and malachim, and that is completely understandable. they are our leaders, and we look to them for guidance, daas torah and proper hashkafa, but they are humans and as such are capable of error.
this does not discredit or invalidate what they have done in the past, the people they have helped, or the torah they have learned, no one will deny them that. however, it is important for to be able to understand that they are indeed infallible, and that they are capable of being wrong, and that they are capable of recovering from it and return to their previous stature.
as for the claims that he is in it for the money and no other reason…leave that speculation for the mikveh please. it has no place on this forum. #25, your comment is disgusting.
Editor: if this was an Ashkenazi Rabbi that hello 99 was talking about you would not allow the post! Whatever happened to Kovod HaRav??
BS”D
“Olam hafuch ani roeh” – the words which Baba Sali ZYA repeated over and over in his last year on this earth, in reference to the unfortunate situation in which his true heir, Baba Meir ZYA, predeceased him, and knowing that his remaining son, who indeed was the deputy mayor of Ashkelon until convicted and imprisoned for fraud, was unfit.
The only true heir of Baba Sali ZYA is Rabbi David Abuhatzera in Nahariya (grandson? nephew?).
Rav Spira
is it possible you still have not removed this post about the Baba from the site?
THis post is bordering on being over on halacha in shulchan aruch
check out the halachos and you will reconsider