YWN notes that these images are viral on social media on Thursday. Additionally, there are many different versions about why these children (and their sisters) were not accepted into Yeshiva; or why they were taken by their father to a public school. YWN has confirmed that more than one local girls school has agreed to accept some of girls into schools, yet the father is refusing.
These photos are simply tragic.
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Big deal, they are not my kids so why should I care?
Shame on us all.
The images are not disturbing… the fact that many yeshivot are not accepting our own children, thats disturbing.
Of course the parents are refusing. It will ruin their PR stunt.
A sad results of stubbornness..the parents and schools. I think the schools have been hammered enough for their self righteous attitudes its time for parents of the rejected children to do some deep introspection & ask themselves :
“have I made an effort to conform to school rules/demands”
“am i overestimating mine & my children’s standard for the school they need just to get them into a school thats not even in my kids best interest”
and last but not least “am I using my kids as pawns in this sad ugly game by sensationalizing our story all over social media & taking passive aggressive steps”.
Seriously, if you love & care for your child enough you’d homeschooling him or hiring a private teacher or bus him over to another area…or move to a more accepting neighborhood. Putting a kippah wearing child into public school just to prove a point…subjecting them to more shame & bullying…definitely not something mature, thought out parents generally want to do to children.
A picture of the father, it would seem, would be even more tragic. Why is he refusing to send his daughter to the Jewish school into which she was accepted?
no no no guys you dont chap what theyre doing- theyre taking pictures of the school layout as revenge for yesterday!
As someone that hates the current Yeshiva system but one that knows this family particularly well, I’d say that I believe the Yeshiva is not at fault here.
“Those” kids’ problems don’t stem from Yeshiva. Rather from a highly disfunctional environment. The Yeshiva has tried to help them but them missing class, cursing teachers and being exposed to what they have been to, in “this” particular case, I wouldn’t jump to conclusions so fast.
I believe that overplaying our cards when they’re right would have a negative impact on the real victims of the system.
It is painful that this instance is one of many. There should be some sort of empirical study to assess the sources for such tragedy – frum kids in public school. Sadly, there are public schools in the entire tri-state area of NY etc. that have enrolled frum kids, sometimes in double digit figures. It would be unfair to attribute all these to a single cause. There are parents whose failure to uphold their responsibilities is extreme. Others might be caught in the gap of divorce. Yet others are the fault of yeshivos failing to be responsible for the children of the community.
I am responding to the comment by #3 Kleegshaft. The blame is thrown on the parents. I doubt that the parents issue accounts for even 50% of the kids in public school. But I will respond with a blow-by-blow to the above comment.
*Conform to the school rules/demands
Firstly, how many of these rules and demands are rational? Some undoubtedly are. Many are there to make the lives of the hanhalah more convenient. That may not be bad. But at what expense? Is education in our yeshivos about growing in Avodas Hashem or about conforming? Would a given yeshiva be satisfied that a percentage of its graduates became renowned talmidei chachomim while a corresponding percentage are no longer shomrei Torah umitzvos? Or would there be greater nachas from seeing that all their talmidim without exception are currently bearing the torch of Torah umitzvos – even if none are currently saying shiurim?
*Over-estimating
Parents do know their children a lot better than schools do, especially at the point of admission, when there is little more than a single interview. True, parents often reach for the stars for their child who might not be at that level. But the arrogance that some yeshivos display is intolerable. It is more about the image of the yeshiva than the success of the child. That is a serious accusation, but it is observed too often by too many people. Again, no scientific data. But anecdotal data is substantial.
*Sensationalizing over social media and taking passive aggressive steps
Until specific names are mentioned, which could be defamatory, this highlights a true to life problem that needs to bother every man, woman, and child in the frum community. It needs to give sleepless nights to every mechanech, rov, rebbe, dayan, and askan. Why is a precious neshomoh being cast away? It is not acceptable for a parent to do that. While inexcusable, the parent may be impaired in some way, and unable to extricate themselves from whatever problem they have. But they are not professionals who claim to be preparing the young generation to become the bearers of Torah life as they enter adulthood. I would expect the chinuch world to establish mechanisms the rescue each and every child possible. Whether the child is being rejected because of incompatible placement, learning issues, financial challenges, or behavioral issues – there should be a system that insures that we do not passively or actively destroy the future of a child by sentencing them to public school or the street. That system does not exist.
Kleegshaft – some good points, but not balanced in the bigger picture.
Before believing this LASHON HARA, please get the full story from BOTH sides.
the issue may be very worthy of an article, but get these pictures of these children off here. they are barely blurred. they are recognizable! the headline is bad enough, no need for these hurtful pictures.would you post a picture like this of your family member, well they are your family member. sickening.
Finally someone not bowing down to these Yeshiva demand, Hashem would be proud
Well said, baruchderrin. I’m sure the kids have been recognized and the families may be subjected to some unpleasantness. And as Kvetcher says, we don’t know what is really going on. Maybe the father can’t afford the tuition; maybe he doesn’t want a particular hashgafa; maybe he is nuts. But people have nothing better to do than gossip and that is very sad.
First be an insider in a situation and then talk. The Father is often the person who goes O-T-Derech, gets all modern and stuff, then BOOM! tries his hardest to send the kids to public school – he will do whatever he can to argue down every single school, yeshiva, mesivta, etc. and he will talk his ideas into the children too leaving the rest of the family in a difficult matziv.
Where is all the money the organizations collecting for for those parents who cannot afford to pay ?
Want to know what’s disturbing?!? That you have to be having peyos to make a community write that it’s disturbing. Not one article about the South Florida tuition crisis and how many kids are in the public schools down there. Come on!!! Just because they don’t wear peyos there won’t be any article?
Moderators Note: What’s the South Florida tuition crisis? Contact YWN and we will be glad to write about it.
השם ירחם we have to say תהלים non stop what מצב r we in
השם ירחם we have to say תהלים non stop what מצב r we in ?
holykugel what’s the matter with you r u not a יוד כל ישראל ערבים זה לזה
How do we know these children do not have a ED or LD and need the services this particular school provides? Maybe the needs of these children were not being met in their yeshiva school?
shame on the frum world I know personally countless good girls and boys here in Lakewood that have no school this year, there is no excuse for this and we in the heimishe world failed all these children and shame on all of us.