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Hagaon HaRav Shmuel Kamenetsky Shlita: ‘It is a Sin to Say it is a Mitzvah to Get Drunk on Purim’


ravshmuel kamenetsky[By Rabbi Yair Hoffman for the Five Towns Jewish Times]

For those who doubt the headline, here is the link to his words. The Rosh Yeshiva begins speaking at 5:58.

What follows is this author’s view of a halachic rationale of the Rosh Yeshiva’s words.

There will generally be two types of readers of articles on drinking on Purim. Those that are appalled at the excess drinking, the car accidents, the ER visits, the stench of vomit and the genuine desecration of G-d’s Name when all this debauchery is witnessed by civil servants and goyim alike.

There will also be those who will think, “Calm down. People need a bit of a break and there is nothing wrong with getting drunk a little bit. It is only once or twice a year, anyhow.”

There will also be a third type who will be perhaps a bit more inquisitive and observe that this particular ruling of Chazal is generally not like other rulings. They will question what exactly happened here. I would like to present a possible theory.

The oft-quoted Shulchan Aruch derives the halacha from a statement of Rava in Megillah 7b. There are variant texts of this Gemorah – the examination and explanation of which are for another time. Let us direct our attention to another Gemorah.

THE YERUSHALMI AND THREE INTERPRETATIONS

Elsewhere, the Talmud Yerushalmi (Tractate Shabbos 8:1) explains that Rabbi Yehudah Bar Illai would only drink wine from Pesach to Pesach. The implication is that Rabbi Yehudah Bar Illai did not drink wine on Purim. The Talmud Bavli has a similar statement in Nedarim (49b).

There are three possible understandings of this passage of the Yerushalmi. The first is that indeed, this is the case, but the halacha is not in accordance with Rabbi Yehudah Bar Illai. The second possibility is that we are misreading the import and implication of this Yerushalmi. The third possibility is that Rabbi Yehudah Bar Illai had a perfectly valid reason not to consume wine on Purim and was in complete accordance with our statement in the Gemorah which is cited by the Shulchan Aruch.

The Shaarei Teshuva (695:2) writes clearly that we should interpret the Yerushalmi in this third method. This third understanding of the Yerushalmi understands that Rabbi Yehuda Ben Illai had a weaker constitution and that drinking wine would actually damage his health, body or general welfare.

WE ARE ALL LIKE RABBI YEHUDAH BAR ILLAI

A very good argument can be made that in contemporary times we all share the status of Rabbi Yehudah Bar Illai.

How so?

According to the National Institute of Health [See http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/alcohols-effects-body ], drinking too much – even on a single occasion, can take a serious toll on your health. Here’s how alcohol can affect your body:

Brain:
Alcohol interferes with the brain’s communication pathways, and can affect the way the brain looks and works. This is even on a single occasion.

Heart:
Drinking a lot, even on a single occasion, can damage the heart, causing problems including:

Cardiomyopathy – Stretching and drooping of heart muscle
Arrhythmias – Irregular heart beat
Stroke
High blood pressure
Liver:
Heavy drinking, over time, can lead to a variety of problems and liver inflammations including:

Steatosis, or fatty liver
Alcoholic hepatitis (single occasion)
Fibrosis
Cirrhosis
Pancreas:
Alcohol causes the pancreas to produce toxic substances that can eventually lead to pancreatitis, a dangerous inflammation and swelling of the blood vessels in the pancreas that prevents proper digestion.

Cancer:
Drinking too much alcohol can, over time, increase the risk of developing certain cancers, including cancers of the:

Mouth
Esophagus
Throat
Liver
Immune System:
Drinking too much can weaken the immune system, making it a much easier target for disease. Drinking a lot on a single occasion slows your body’s ability to ward off infections – even up to 24 hours after getting drunk.

According to “Alcohol Use and Abuse,” a Harvard Health Publication, the use of alcohol nowadays is fraught with danger, and is often quite damaging to the body. Among the effects are:

Alcohol has some very harmful and permanent effects on developing brains and bodies.
For adolescents ages 15 to 20, alcohol is implicated in more than a third of driver fatalities resulting from automobile accidents and about two-fifths of drowning, r”l.
Drinking interferes with good judgment, leading young people into risky behavior and making them vulnerable to all sorts of other problems.
Teenagers who use alcohol and tobacco are at greater risk of using other drugs.
Teenagers who drink are more likely to develop behavioral problems, including stealing, fighting, and skipping school.
Underage drinking is illegal, and there are and have been some serious consequences and repercussions of arrests.

OTHERS CERTAINLY ARE IN THE RAV YEHUDAH BAR ILLAI STATUS

Let us not make the tragic error that we are above any of these problems. They exist in our communities and often under our very noses. Even if it was not true that alcohol consumption constitutes a “Rabbi Yehudah Bar Illai risk” to a particular individual, the very fact that new and more dangerous technologies have developed in the past century that can greatly increase dangers to other around us, the status of Rabbi Yehudah Ben Illai would apply to others around us. Automobiles did not exist in previous times and cars plus alcohol endanger the welfare of others. In our communities, not one year has gone by in recent years where alcohol consumption did not cause a major tragedy or accident.

As far as the Mitzvah itself is concerned, the opinion of the Ravya (564) and the Mordechai (Megillah Chapter 2) and the response of the Maharil (#56) is that even back in the time of Chazal it was not obligatory, rather it is a “Mitzvah b’almah” – an ideal that is no way obligatory. The Ramah cites these views as halacha.

Some will invariably make the argument that drinking large amounts of alcohol was always the practice. How can we now, all of a sudden, assume that it is a health risk and declare that we all share the status of Rabbi Yehudah Bar Illai?

The answer to this question rests within an answer to yet another question. According to the National Vital Statistic Reports of 2004 (52 #14), the life span of Americans has nearly doubled since 1900. What modern innovation contributed the most to the increase in human longevity? The answer is most likely, the refrigerator and the decline in the use of salt as a preservative. Salt kills. We have lowered our consumption of it and now we live longer. The same is true with alcohol.

It is my contention that the Shaarei Teshuvah’s understanding of the Yerushalmi is the one that is halachically most cogent (as it does not posit a contradiction of sources). It is also my view that all of us fall within the rubric of the exemption of Rabbi Yehudah Bar Illai, and should not drink to the point of anywhere near drunkenness – even according to the Poskim that do not agree with the Ramah’s reading.

The author can be reached at [email protected]



16 Responses

  1. Heavy drinking, over time, can lead to a variety of problems and liver inflammations including:

    Steatosis, or fatty liver
    Alcoholic hepatitis (single occasion)
    Fibrosis
    Cirrhosis
    Pancreas:
    Etc.

    This and most of everything under it is talking about if someone who constantly drinks a lot

    I’m it for getting drunk to the point where you throw up, or if you do things that are dangerous to oneself or others, but having a bottle once a year doesn’t seem like the end of the world

  2. To quote r Shmuel kamensky saying such a foolish statement is doing a disservice to כלל ישראל. How can he argue explicitly on a gemoroh and all the poskim until this generation which hold it IS a mitzvah alas maybe no chiyuv, but to call someone a sinner for saying there is such a mitzvah.. Is going in the ways of the reform…

  3. Even if the learned bachur is correct, taking a public stance against the opinion of one of the Gedolei Hador in the U.S. is a very bad idea. The precise medical ramifications of imbibing excess alcohol are irrelevant. What’s paramount here is Rav Shmuel’s da’as Torah. Obeying gedolim is easy when we understand and agree. The big nisayon is obeying even when we don’t.

  4. Re:szblum: Knowing Rav Shmuel personally I am certain that he was immediately mochel such blatant chutzpah and zilzul to kavod HaTorah. Is drunkenness worth even one injury or death?
    Rav Shmuel’s statement is clearly a classic “ais laasos”

  5. Mbachur…try growing up. Are you going to take responsibility for a bachur who passes into a coma and throws up into his lungs causing his own death? Are you going to take responsibility for drunken Yeshiva bachur running down a pregnant mother? Will you take responsibility for the drunken driver needlessly spending time in prison or DWIA

  6. Moshe b,

    No where in the article did it mention its talking about kids, I didn’t think it was talking about bachurim vs adults

    I strongly oppose underage drinking

  7. My above comment should not be construed as an argument on the position of Rabbi Hoffman and certainly not Rav Shmuel. It is not relevant to their position if there is a “Chazal or Single Posek” who says there is a Mitzvah to drink or not. This should be evident from Rabbi Hoffman’s article.

  8. There is only one psak halacha in Shulchan Aruch – the Rema who says to drink “yoser milimudo” and sleep. The Pri Megadim agrees with him. Finished. This is the halacha. Not only is there no mitzva to get drunk, but the “heter” to be soimech on other poskim who we do NOT pasken like, is very problematic. The Biyur Halacha asks how Chazal could possibly be mesaken to get drunk according to those shitos- when drunkenness is a terrible averia? His answer is irrelevant for this discussion, beacause the halacha is there is NO chiyuv and therefore certainly no mitzva!

  9. To Uzbek
    He apearently didn’t think it was irrelevant because he wrote it. You think he might know something your missing?

  10. szblum, when there is a difference of opinions between a Real תלמוד חכם and you, it isn’t much of a dilemma! Do you even know where the גמ׳ is? Or do you know the words from the song. Being מכיר מקומו would serve you well!

  11. I know I’m a bit late. but The Gemara says (Megillah7B) that Rava says your chaiv to become drunk on Purim until you can’t tell the difference between Arur Haman Baruch Mordechai-cursed is Haman Blessed is Mordechai. What’s his source you may ask: Psalms i.e Tehillim Perek kuf daled 104 says ויין ישמח לבב אנוש and wine will bring joy to one’s heart and says Rebbe Nachman of Breslov: מצוה גדולה להית בשמחה תמיד It is a great Mitzvah to be happy always. especially it said earlier in the Gemara רב יוסף says 6A that the passuk in Esther says ימי משתה ושמחה ויום טוב he learns from that no eulogies and no depression on Purim. as well during the week. Rebbe Nachman says again depression is like the bite of a snake it hits you on the spot. But then they listed the story of the amora almost killing a person. But of course, Pikuach Nefesh stops everything even Rava and Everyone holds like that. So R’ Ephraim holds not to drink wine there are some minhagim that do but we are Celebrating the Miracle. Says the Abudraham that all the good that happened for the jews happened during a feast of wine פרסומי ניסה and HaShem doesn’t want us killing ourselves.

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