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1. zeresh (i think) said it nicely “just like youre falling now so too you will keep on falling

2. I wonder if a poll were to be taken with the question posed something like this what result will ensue:
   Bayit Yehudi clearly needs to restructure!
   Would you be like to see Naftali Bennet be dropped or Yair Lapid!

3. The Right wing still falls short of a majority, meaning they would have to ally with either the left or the frum. While its influence will be diminished, Yesh Atid would be in a strong position as the most conservative (especially in terms of economics) of the “left”. Given the antagonism towards the Torah community by Yisrael Beiteinu and Bayit Yehudi, you’ll get an almost identical coalition, though with slightly more weight given to the “right”, especially in terms of economics.

4. AND the lovely Livni with her side kick, Eleazer Stern?

   How does that party rate??

   #3 Haven’t seen the antagonism towards the Torah community by Bayit Yehudi…..except that they disagree on the upcoming Chief Rabbi of Yerushalayim & will not sit together to discuss housing opportunities!!! Do and would you expect them to have identical agendas?

   BTW Bayit Yehudi will not stand in its present form in the future due to internal friction between the two sectors that comprise it now.

5. #4 — Bayit Yehudi is a leading advocate of mass arrests of yeshiva students who refuse to give up learning Torah to become soldiers (and implicitly, to give up a hareidi lifestyle and adopt a religious zionist lifestyle). Bayit Yehudi made it clear that breaking the hareidi yeshivos was even more important than preerving the settlments (i.e. rejecting a coalition that would be pro-settlement in order to have one that would be anti-hareidi).

   As long as the three right wing parties (Likud, Bayit Yehudi an Yisrael Beiteinu) are unable to compromise with the hareidim, they will have no choice but to seek alliance with people such as Lapid and Livni.

6. Bayit Yehudi made it clear that breaking the hareidi yeshivos was even more important than preerving the settlments –

   Charedi parties have never played the settlement card unless it was to their benefit so to portray UTJ & SHAS as settlement partners is ludicrous.

7. “Yesh Atid emerges with a crushing defeat, 8 seats instead of its current 19 seats.”

   Does that mean we could say good bye to Dovy?

8. #6
   Really?!
   mr. propagandist maybe get yourself a few facts

   Indeed UTJ policy has always strongly been it is far more important as that the people of Tel Aviv be jewish than the peoples of the west bank
   and yet Meir Porush was nominated 6-7 years back by some of the leadership as the MK who did more for the settlers than any other

9. #4 #6
   Name was the last era that the srugim ,except for Charda’l,stood for judaism?

   The charedim should have worked closer with charda’l in the past,and should do so
   (Hopefully,the lessons will be gainfully employed)

   The fault goes both ways,however .
   Who foolishly tolerated with ample warning, Bennet,Shaked & Co. getting to where they are now and are heading?

   In the past, Likud was arguably better for tradition than the Srugim,and worked more or less together with the charedim.

   hmm..Who went out and with loudly declared intent destroyed the Traditional Pact?

10. From a Hareidi perspective, the settlements are just another sort of secular stus – they aren’t prohibited by halacha, aren’t encouraged. They are like building roads or any other sort of patronage project. They hardly add to Israel’s physical security, and are expensive.

    However the hareidim have no problem in agreeing to support (or oppose) settlements if the government gives them what really matters most: support for yeshivos and learning Torah (cash is nice, army exemptions are critical). UTJ and Shas have no problem supporting settlements, whereas Livni, Lapid and Labor do – and without UTJ/Shas, Likud need the left/center parties to form a government.

    Had Bayit Yehudi agreed to it, the coalition would be built on Likud, Yisrael Beiteinu, Bayit Yehuda and the Hareidim. It would be pro-settlement, and pro-yeshiva. But out of hatred of learning Torah, Bayit Yehudi allied with Lapid, and demanded the war on the hareidim, even though the price was to have a government that is not necessarily sympathetic to settlements since, absent hareidim, it has to include ultra-secular parties.

11. Conditions for Entering the Gov’t Coalition
    1. Dump police chief Danino
    2. Establish municipal police forces with responsibility for local law enforcement, who are accountable to local voters
    3. Establish municipal courts similar to above
    4. Fire national police, judges, prosecutors, and public defenders that have become redundant due to the above gov’t reforms
    5. transfer military functions performed by the police to the army

12. #11 ON TARGET

    “In the past, Likud was arguably better for tradition than the Srugim,and worked more or less together with the charedim” – Likud was better for tradition since it USED to be a party supported by Sephardim, these same Sephardim have moved their support to SHAS, BAYIT YEHUDI or more right wing (Marzel)parties.

    #10 Attitudes towards settlements have changed since Beitar, Kiryat Sefer, Pisgat Zev, Givat Zev were built and established. These kehillos are either a majority of Charedim or have large pockets of Yeshivish suburbs. Security, Army surveillance, monies for infrastructure, are all part of being a SETTLEMENT or as normally called “A Yishuv in Yehuda and Shomron”. The needs for security and money to expand is part of the Yishuv agenda and is now a Charedi need.