The daily Yated Neeman and HaMevaser carry a call in the name of Gedolei Hador Shlita citing the chashivus of adherence to modesty standards. The HaMevaser version shows the signatures of the rabbonim while Yated lists their names.
Signed to the kol korei are HaGaon HaRav Aaron Yehuda Leib Shteinman Shlita, HaGaon HaRav Shmuel Halevy Wosner Shlita, HaGaon HaRav Nissim Karelitz Shlita, and HaGaon HaRav Chaim Kanievsky Shlita.
(YWN – Israel Desk, Jerusalem)
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Oy, our dor needs a lot of help in this inyan. Baruch Hashem the Gedolei Yisroel shlit”a have called out to the klal to improve the low standards nebech prevalent in so many of our communities.
Is there a hidush in this?
Did any of them every hold otherwise?
Rav Shach once said (I heard it from someone who heard him say it) that if a kollel yungerman’s wife goes with short or tight-fitting clothes, then all his Torah goes to the sitra achra. I sometimes wonder if that’s why Hashem is making so many problems for the Yeshivos and Kollelim at the moment (through His shlichim whom I don’t defend – מגלגלים חיוב על ידי חייב), because He’s tired of paying for Torah that’s going to the sitra achra. This is really a question for bigger people than myself, but I think I’m allowed to raise the question.
There are posters up in Mea Shearim quoting Rabeinu Yona that if a woman dresses or acts or talks in a way that provokes men to think about her, then even if she has mountains of mitzvos and excellent shemiras Shabbos and kashrus to her credit, things may not go so well with her.
Aren’t we doing our best in the department of tzinuus? Perhaps another mitzvah can be concentrated on?
Boruch Hashem. Finaly. Limping tzniyus is one of the biggest nisyonos/problems of our generation. We must work on it.Yashar koach to the rabbonim. I hope our precious Ladies will realize how damaging the lack of modesty is.
Go!
“Rabeinu Yona that if a woman dresses or acts or talks in a way that provokes men to think about her”, –
As long as women have disappeared from the life of men (in advertisements, streets, schools, buses),,,,the yetzer harah gets stronger and stronger and harder to overcome. Let’s work on developing strategies & skills for men.
#7: It is a specific halacha in Shulchan Aruch and Rambam that women should NOT be in public too often.
#7 No problem, got to get the hubby to pick up the drycleaning, do the carpool, shop at Kollel Store, get the girls dresses, do his or my nails, bring the car for oil change, buy stamps at PO, pick up Challahs, takeout and take his and my parents to the doctors.
Any suggestions UJM?
The very long, natural-looking Sheitels (which look like a married woman’s hair is not covered), the short, tight clothing, and the shoes with very high heels are not Tznius-dik and should go.
As the Vilna Gaon ZT”L said,
“What Torah learning is to the man,
Tznius is to the woman.”
I also read in a booklet about Tznius,
what #3 Por said that s/he heard about Rav Shach ZT”L said.
Also is the following quote from HaRav Shraga Feivel Hager, Shlita, the Kossover Rebbe (on Tznius) in a recent magazine issue:
“It’s unbelievable what’s going on today – the Tehillim groups, the hotlines, the Drashos, and all the Chizuk-Shmuessen. . .
But let me say the Emes. It’s worthless because of one big problem: the Tznius.
It doesn’t work. You can’t dress in a way that’s not in the Gidrei Tznius, and Daven.
You can’t talk to the Ribono Shel Olam dressed like this. You are not only wasting time, but making matters worse. . .
When you’re Davening, you’re talking to Hashem. So how can you dress this way? How can you believe you’re talking to him, and come dressed this way?
People dont’ understand that the way the mother talks, the way the mother dresses, that’s what the kids will learn from. . .
All the speeches the child might hear in school are worthless because it’s the mother’s example that will dominate. So she can’t say, ‘I’ll do this, and my child will do that.’ It doesn’t work that way.”
Unfortunately this is all soooo true. Because of the nashim tzidkaniyose we were redeemed from Mitzrayim, but now because of the nashim that are not tzanuah, yeshivas have lost much of their funding, the government wants young men to serve in the army, and many many people are forced to work for a living — bzei’as apecha tochal lechem. It all comes back to the chet of adam and chavah. Rachmana nitzlan.
Although I agree with the basic laws of tsnious, a woman doesn’t need to attract the attention of other men if she is getting enough of attention from her husband. So looks like the finger pointing goes back to the men….sorry fellas but your wives don’t appreciate compliments with your heads down in your sfarim!
A number of poskim in Yerushalaim recently examined the halachic sources very carefully and came up with a list of guidelines for women’s clothing which they say is 100% REQUIRED in halacha, not just midas chasidus.
bklynmom: I agree that we men have a lot to work on and am trying to do so. At the same time, a lot of the women I see in the street (before I close my eyes or look away, even though I don’t wear my glasses in the street) also have a lot of work on. May we all do teshuva on all the things we have to do teshuva on and may Moshiach come soon.
A man whose “head in his Sfarim” is doing the Mitzvah of learning Torah.
The spiritual power of his learning Torah goes towards repairing the spiritual damage done to the world when Adam and Chava ate from the Eitz HaDaas, towards bringing goodness to the world, and towards bringing Moshiach closer.
If a woman feels that she’s not getting enough attention from her husband; she should discuss it with him, respectfully.
However, even if she doesn’t get enough attention from him; this is NOT an excuse to dress immodestly and violate the laws of the Torah and cause other men to stumble.
What about unmarried women/girls, and women who ARE getting enough attention from their husbands? What’s THEIR excuse for dressing immodestly?
Sefer Shmos 19:6, Hashem to Moshe Rabbeinu at Har Sinai, to tell to the Jews: “You will be to me, a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation.”
Sefer Dvarim 23:15 – “Your camp shall be holy, and Hashem will not see among you immodesty and turn away from you.”
As a young girl in shidduchim I find myself being turned down since I am not attractive enough to him every time I dress modestly. But some how when my clothing are extremely tight and my knees are exposed only then do I find myself attractive to the boys it’s the boys who only want attractive girls are causing us to be very provocative