Amid reports the coalition negotiators are close to sealing a deal, Rabbonim Shlita have announced any attempt to compel bnei yeshivos to leave their limud Torah to serve in the IDF is nothing less than a “gezeiras shmad” and it must be addressed accordingly.
The kol korei signed by tens of prominent rabbonim shlita calls on the tzibur לעמוד על נפשנו, to fight this with mesirus nefesh and not chas v’sholom to permit those seeking to uproot limud Torah in Eretz Yisrael to succeed chas v’sholom.
“Nothing in the world will move us from our position and we will stand firm against any gezeira and against any enticement with all our might, body and soul and BE”H we will succeed and merit the redemption seedily in our day” it concludes.
Many gedolim in both Eretz Yisrael and outside have affixed their signature to the kol korei to give a chizuk to bnei Torah and to instruct them to remain firm during this difficult time.
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(YWN – Israel Desk, Jerusalem)
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Where are R.Chaim Kanevsky’s and Rav Shteineman’s signatures?
This is a list of the moderates, not the fanatic anti-zionists. If the hilonim and the “religious” zionists don’t back down, the “fanatics” will be saying “I told you so” (though they probably too polite to say so in public).
I don’t see a signature from Rav Shteinman, Rav Kanievsky, Rav Scheiner, just to name a few prominent rabbonim, shlita, who appear not to have joined in this effort.
I dont see ANY signatures, what i do see is a paper with printed names. I have a hard time believing any American rabonim signed this so called “Kol Korie”. Also where is Rav Chaim and Rav Shteinmen??
I notice many names missing, including R’ Chaim Kanievsky, R’ Shteinman, and R’ Weiss (head of the Edah HaChareidis). Why didn’t they sign the letter?
Also, the government is not trying to eliminate Limud Torah. After someone does their national service, they are free to go learn the rest of their lives.
#5- I have been saying this for a long time. No one has been able to answer my question about why those who are not drafted (i.e. over 22 for arguments sake), will not be able to provide protection for E”Y. I would be offended if I were 25 and learning, and was informed that my learning affords the country no such protection.
Who ever said that EVERY single young man will be drafted? Who ever said yeshivos will be forced to shut down?
Nothing about other countries being concerned about human rights violations, Akuperma? You’re slipping…
“This is a list of the moderates, not the fanatic anti-zionists. If the hilonim and the “religious” zionists don’t back down, the “fanatics” will be saying “I told you so” (though they probably too polite to say so in public).”
What utter shtus on every level:
a) Calling the conscription of eligible students to the Jewish army a “gezeras shmad” sounds pretty fanatical.
b) Calling frum Jews “religious” in quotes because they disagree with your hashkafa likewise sounds pretty fanatical.
c) Fanatics never let the facts get in their way. They will say “I told you so” no matter what happens.
And DaMoshe (#5), you are 100% correct. Not only that, but clearly many of the eligible chareidi “yeshiva students” (there, I can use quotes too) will ultimately not get conscripted based on other factors (physical/mental profiles, etc.).
Gefet,
So lets see Gedolei Yisroel who uniformly and publicly have spoken clearly and loudly against this Gezeiras Shmad are fanatuical.
It can’t be that perhaps they know more then Gefet or Yanky55 about the Torah , Mitzvos and right and wrong.
It cant be that Rav Aron Leib hlita, Rav Chaim Kanievsky shlita Rav Shmuel Aurbach shlita have a better idea of right of the Torah then you.
Oy L’Dor She’Shuftu es Shofteihem.
#6, which human rights violations? It is like a 5-year old saing “not fair” if they do not do what he wants.
#7 – of course drafting yeshiva students, for three years, is fanatical – no arguument that Lapid and Bennett are fanatics
The “fact” is that the zionists have not been supporting yeshivos in Eretz Yisrael out of love of Torah, or belief that those learning Torah are keeping the yishuv going- as many of us wished to believe. It was due to political blackmail. In 1948, it was the threat to support the plan to make Palestine into an American colony. For years it had to do with votes needed to form a coalition. The anti-zionist fanatics, who never accepted government money, said all along that the hilonim have no love of Torah and would stab us in the back if they thought they could get away with it.
Yeshiva students who would be unfit for duty would always have been reporting for call-ups, and rather than say they were too busy learning, would point out they were unable to serve. That way they could legally work “on the books”, unlike those who by virute of being officially listed as students weren’t allowed to work except as part of the “grey” economy.
The “religious” preceeded the word “zionists”. It questions whether one can genuinely say that the concept of regarding the conquest and settlement of the land, which is at the core of the Dati Leumi beliefs, is truely based on Torah. Even some of their scholars suggest that they are making the “land” into an avodah zarah. There is no mitzvah to be a nationalist. Indeed, the whole concept of nationalism was invented at Babel as a punishment for humanity – it’s hardly something to worship.
Its time for the chareidim to start preparing underground bunkers for limud hatorah, this was the norms under russian regime, the lubavitchers will teach how to have mesiras nefesh, they were leading those bunkers when the russians were screaming share the burden.
You only see “who’s missing on the list”. Why dont you see the positive side of who IS in the list!
1. akuperma (#10), your “facts” are the product of your overactive imagination. The State has been actively supporting the chareidi community in general and the chareidi yeshivas in particular since long before the chareidim had any political clout to speak of. But when you speak of political “blackmail” you are correct in the sense that for the past two and half decades the chareidi parties have been holding the majority of the country hostage with ever increasing demands for financial support coupled with ever increasing stridency against working or serving in the army. Perhaps a little cheshbon hanefesh is in order on the part of your community, though I suppose fanatics aren’t capable of that.
As for your repeated claim that some (as of yet unnamed by you) scholars that the Dati Leumi emphasis on settling the land is ‘avodah zara’, I would caution you that any time an individual or community emphasizes one mitzvah at the expense of all others there is a danger of avoda zara, v’hameivin yavin. On the whole it is fair to say that along with settling the land the Dati Leumi community has built a vibrant Torah educational framework that easily rivals the chareidi one.
2. Ben Levi (#8), I don’t claim to know more Torah than anyone, the rabbonim you cite included. I for sure don’t more Torah than Gedolei Yisroel like R. Lichtenstein, R. Rabinovitch, R. Ariel, etc. That said, you must know alot more Torah than the rabbonim you claim to follow, since you post on the very internet they oppose.