MK (Yahadut Hatorah) Meir Porush used the forum at an Ohr Yehuda party event to send a clear message to the IDF and state leaders. “Don’t touch the yeshiva students. I call on the IDF, please don’t push the envelope. If it continues, we will fight and we will win.”
Party colleague Yaakov Litzman addressed the tzibur as well, explaining the difficult situation in which the chareidi tzibur in Eretz Yisrael finds itself today. Regarding Tzipi Livni’s joining the coalition and he rejects Likud/Beitenu’s statement that Yahadut Hatorah was contacted before the deal with Livni was closed.
Litzman warned that a great deal hangs in the balance for the chareidi tzibur today and the coming days and weeks are crucial towards determining which direction is taken. He added “There is no way we will compromise concerning a talmid who wishes to continue his limudim” stated Porush, who made it clear that those bnei yeshivos actively learning would continue doing so, advising the government and the IDF to back down from the share the burden effort.
Porush went on to describe a specific incident which occurred this week in the Jerusalem induction center, compelling a talmid to undergo a most “humiliating exam”, adding “don’t touch the yeshiva students. I am calling on the army not to push the envelope. If the current situation continues we will fight and we shall win.”
(YWN – Israel Desk, Jerusalem)
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“compelling a talmid to undergo a most “humiliating exam”
What physical exam would be labeled as humiliating?
The IDF isn’t pushing for this. It’s this Lapid guy. He doesn’t have any other issues, he doesn’t have any experience or even a high school diploma so he figures he’ll just run on this and get power this way.
Given the rate at which charedim fail the Rabbanut’s smicha tests, I can understand Porush’s concern. And those are the bochurs and avreichim who have actually studied and are confident that they have achieved sufficient knowledge to take the test. The mind boggles at the possible failure rates if every bochur and avrech ‘registered’ in all the yeshivas and kollels in E”Y were required to be tested. Humiliation indeed.
From humiliation to hubris. In what way will you ‘beat’ the IDF? No one plans to force anyone to serve. The assumption is that there is a continuously growing segment of the charedi population that wishes to serve – but cannot practically do so today, given the social repercussions. In addition, Israeli society is no longer willing to pay for people to sit on the side and not contribute. The plan, then, is to agree to support a select cadre of full-time lomdei torah and not to support anyone else unless he serves. If yeshivas and kollels no longer receive payment for the great majority of their students, and can no longer afford to hold them, they will be in no position to castigate them for serving, which will free charedim, who wish to, to serve. Those who truly do not wish to serve will not be forced to, even if they are not iluyim – but they will no longer be able to look to Israeli society to support them. That’s the deal. Now how, exactly, do you plan to ‘defeat’ the IDF in this situation? By not serving? God bless, don’t serve if you don’t want to. By terrorizing those that wish to serve even though you can no longer support them? How long will that last?
Let me put it another way: I strongly suspect that once yeshivas and kollels are no longer receiving income for ‘absentee’ and marginal students, the stigma attached to not being registered in a yeshiva or kollel will rapidly disappear.
#1
Having a female doctor doing the physical
Can somebody please explain to me the double standard, why can haraidi people here in the united states work hard for a living and still maintain our life style, I am starting to really be embarrassed to be considered hareide.Its time for us to wake up and smell the coffee.
ummm #3 have you ever leraned in a yeshivah? If you had then you would know that the learning in yeshivah is not necessarily geared towards halacha l’maisah.
Ben-Gurion was known to exclaim, better 1 neturei-kartanik in Yerushalayim than 10 Zionists in Chicago
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MDshweks says:
February 14, 2013 at 10:47 am
Both KNOW THE TRUTH that the Charedim are abused financially and culturally, and not the opposite…
Check it out and prove me wrong:
1. Charedim have more rich tax payers per capita than chilonim.
2.Chareidim have about the same business owners per capita than chilonim.
3. A chareidi childs educaion costs the government between 7% to 15% of what they spend on a chiloni child! not a penny more!
4.The chilonim get besides the millions for universities, millions for drama, sports, and all kinds of stupidities! amounts to billions and billions.
…and much more…
#6 –
a. Yes, until I was 24.
b. You’d think that men who have been studying in yeshivas their whole life and choose to be tested for smicha would know that smicha is all about halacha, wouldn’t you?
c. For that matter (i) Did you? (ii) Didn’t you?
Bennet, Lapid, Yachimovich, and the religious parties should make no deal with Netanyahu until they are fully informed about the Zygier affair. They do not want to be chumps or accomplices to what may be very bad. The clandestine forces, etc. are probably far more corrupt then is generally perceived. Times may have changed and the public may not be particularly tolerant about rogue savagery. These spies and their pals may do great harm and little good.
#3:
” I strongly suspect that once yeshivas and kollels are no longer receiving income for ‘absentee’ and marginal students, the stigma attached to not being registered in a yeshiva or kollel will rapidly disappear.”
Says you. And stop with the sinas chinom, it makes you look bad.
#5:
The problem here isn’t that the Chareidim aren’t willing to work, it’s that they are not willing to put up with people who with to dedicate their lives to Torah not being able to so. Here in America, one who wishes to learn all his life may do so without a problem, but is Lapid and Bennet get their way CH”V, that won’t be true in Israel.