According to a Yisrael HaYom report, 30% of draft eligible chareidim who appeared in an induction center to address preliminary pre-induction paperwork since the summer have received draft notices. This refers to talmidim who received their first draft notice after the Tal Law elapsed in the summer.
While most of the talmidim reportedly did not cooperate, some refusing to sign any of the forms, not even providing basic personal information, 30% have been informed that they will be inducted into military service in the upcoming summer 2013 draft.
IDF induction officials are in the final process of mailing 15,000 first notices to talmidim born in 1994 and 1995.
According to the report, quoting an “IDF official”, despite the fact that chareidi media reports signal minimal or no cooperation from talmidim, as a rule, most of the inductees have been quite cooperative when they arrive at induction centers. The official adds the military does its utmost to accommodate chareidim, explaining that when they are interviewed in induction centers, the interview is conducted by male soldiers, not females.
Efforts are underway in the IDF to create a suitable atmosphere for the expected larger influx of chareidi soldiers, adding that even prior to the elimination of the Tal Law, there are 2,000 chareidi soldiers serving in the air force’s Shachar program and Nachal Chareidi combined.
In another IDF related matter, during Operation Pillar of Defense the November 2012 induction got underway. According to IDF officials, 73.3% of inductees eligible to serve in ground force units requested to serve in combat units.
(YWN – Israel Desk, Jerusalem)
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The Israelis will be undermining themselves if they:
1. Draft those who really refuse to serve in the army for halachic reasons. At the least they’ll engage in civil disobedience (refusing to obey orders, requesting international recognition as political prisoners, etc.). At worst, they’ll engage in other than passive resistance such as “monkey wrenching” – and since the army won’t be able to trust them, they’ll have to distrust all hareidi soldiers.
2. Failing to accomodate halacha by expecting hareidi soldiers to conform to what is the standard for a modern orthodox (religious zionist) baal ha-habayis. That will turn all the hareidim into those opposing the army on halachic grounds, see above.
3. The Israelis would be better of in abolishing conscription, and rely on economic incentives to recruit hareidim (and others). A country is best defended with happy and well motivated soldiers, not conscripts many of whom question the legitimacy of the government.
According to IDF officials, 73.3% of inductees eligible to serve in ground force units requested to serve in combat units.——Is that referring to Charedei inductees?
Indeed the draft not only should be abolished but must be abolished as soon as possible. It has become a social and economic time bomb.
@akuperma – the country ‘is best defended’ by those who are learning in yeshivos!!!
#4 – I agree but Medinat Yisrael is a secular country firmly planted in “this world” and with a policy of getting mixed up into fights about to run the “prozdor” which the Israelis misconstrue as being part of the real world. In addition, a policy of relying on people learning to defend Israel would only work if it was a medinah of Torah (since the Arabs really don’t mind Jews unless we try to boss them around).
#5 “since the Arabs really don’t mind Jews unless we try to boss them around.” This statement mimics the view of many that if Medinas Yisrael did not exist, the Arabs would peacefully co-exist with Jews. Unfortunately, this ignores over a thousand year history before Mohammed and certainly increasing after he rose to power — of slaughter, pillage, pogroms and persecutions in Yemen, Iraq, Egypt, Morroco, and pre-state Israel directed by the Arab populace against the Jews. That the foundation of the State led to increased terror attacks is undeniable — but doesn’t necessarily mean that it should not have been founded. But to ignore history is both dangerous and short-sighted.
L’kovod akuperma, So the army is “this world” while Torah is “that world?” Whether the secular Medinat Yisroel acknowledges it or not, the yeshivas are our greatest line of defense. Even the secular defense establishment here repeatedly refers to miracles taking place. Where ever you live you can close your computer (I see lot’s of comments from you all over) and open a Gemora or Chumash and take some “real world” steps to defend and advance Klal Yisroel.
The only significant massacre in Eretz Yisrael in the pre-zionist era was by the Crusaders (basically the western Europeans, the EU of our day). While there were laws restricting Jewish civil rights (and one should note that from a modern perspective, even Arabs didn’t have all that much in terms of civil rights), the laws the Muslims imposed were no more onerous than the ones the zionists impose (and there was never a threat of conscription – Jews weren’t even allowed to “bear arms”). The question is whether the “rights” we gain under zionism are worth the price we pay.
(since the Arabs really don’t mind Jews unless we try to boss them around).
SOSOSO WRONG!!!!!! Jews who are living in USA and Europe are INFIDELS just like the ones ‘trying to boss them around”. Hatred of Jews is a religious precept and has nothing to do with governing, occupation or soverignity.
The only significant massacre in Israel pre-zionist was the crusades is like saying Europe wasn’t that bad to the Jews except that Holocaust thing.
The laws imposed on Chareidi are no worse under Muslims then the State-really, The Muslim’s invented the idea of the yellow star not the Nazis’, in some Muslim states Jews had to pay a special “Jew” tax.
ych, there are, B”H, very many people alive today who can tell you what it was like living in an Arab country prior to Israel’s founding (Zionism was still a force, and the Chevron Massacre came through RZ “Shema Yisrael HaKosel Kosleinu HaKosel Echad”, but Zionism was not as well-established then). The anti-semitic Mufti Musseini in Palestine told the Saintly Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld, with whom he had a cordial relationship, that if you Jews want to live here, fine. But if you try to rule over us then they would not stand for that. The Zionists knew (or ignored) this well before 1948.
Elsewhere, in Arab lands, the typical Arab knew a sefardi gadol when he saw one, and would bow and kiss the gadol’s feet if he passed him by in the street. And unlike in Ashkenazic lands, the Jews in Yemen, for example, had their mesorah intact since bayis rishon. It seems likely they would have kept it intact, remaining observant and true to Hashem, were it not for the evil Zionists who intentionally shmaded them up real good, as can be seen today in their descendants who, unfortunately, were intentionally denied the beauty of a Torah education by the Zionists.
The much-vaunted teshuva movement in Israel today is largely necessary because of the Zionist shmad.
Back to your point, sefardi Jews lived far better under Arab rule than they did under European rule. Nobody denies there were terrible incidents of savage behavior by Arabs towards Jews under Arab rule, too. But the intense hatred caused by Zionism was non-existent, and the practical difference is quite large, as history has shown.
Before Herzl and Zionism, Jews lived much better with Arabs than they did with Christians.
Just keep on serving G’d.
Ask yourself before ANY decision: what does G’d want me to do now. Think about it honestly…
#8, #11 & #12 History is history.
Arab massacres were rampart in the 1800s and 1900s. To blame the 1929 Chevron bloodbath on the RZ, is a total lack of Middle Eastern History and the Mufti’s Nazi forefather and background. My great grandfather was fatally stabbed to death by his Arab ‘best friend’ in Iraq, fantasties never seem to die and the greatest fantasty is the WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIPS BT JEWS & ARABS before ZIONISM arrived on the horizon.
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This is not true. Both in Xendom and in Dar-al-Islam there were good times and bad, but overall they were about equal.
Instead of having yeshiva boys, have women in the army. Make sure women are not next to the men. Whats so hard!!!??