Originally posted on Thursday 5/17/07
A gridlock alert has been issued for the Lakewood Township on Friday morning due to the funeral of Lakewood Patrolman William Pressler – who was tragically killed in a car accident on Monday morning. Sergeant Frank Work of the Lakewood Police Traffic & Safety Department was kind enough to speak with us at Yeshivaworld, and has given us the following information:
The funeral is scheduled to take place at St Marys on corner of Route 88 (Main Street) and Madison Avenue (Route 9); from 9:00AM through 12:30PM.
Road closures Friday, May 18, 2007
South Clifton Avenue (Cederbridge) from Route 88 to Martin Luther King Drive
Route 88 From Route 9 until Clifton Avenue.
Route 9 from Main Street to Central Avenue.
The procession will leave at approximately 1:00PM where they will proceed to the cemetery in Toms River. The route of travel will be Cederbridge to New Hampshire Avenue. (Routes 9 and 88 may be closed during the procession as well)
Thousands of police officers from every town throughout NJ are expected to attend the funeral, as well as thousands of members of the general public.
People should try and do their Shabbos shopping this evening, and visitors traveling to Lakewood for Shabbos are urged to arrive AFTER 1:00PM.
Our thoughts and prayers go out to the officers family, and co-workers.–YW Editor.
(A note of thanks to the Lakewood Police Traffic & Safety Department for assisting Yeshivaworld with this imperative information.)
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29 Responses
is the oilam hayeshivah living in lakewood supossed to attend?
it might help improve relationship between us and the p.d (which needs TREMENDOUS improvement)
is this the whole day, or only for the procession , and from what time?
hey rosey: READ the article.
sheesh….
I think it would be a great KIDDUSH HASHEM if the frum oilam attends, it could lead to better relations between the POLICE & the frum community.
Just immagine how the police department would feel about us if we don’t show up.
WHETHER TO ATTEND OR NOT SHOULD BE DECIDED BY RAV MALKIEL.
Why does it have to be decided by Rav Malkiel? Why can’t you use your intellect to decide if you think it is the right thing to do? Do you need every decision more important than where to buy your groceries decided by other people?
Who knows, you hit the nail on the head.
uto can’t you decide what to do on your own,have we gone that low
Leave it to the Va’ad to come up witha reason NOTto attend! USE YOUR OWN MIND! DO THE RIGHT THING,AND ATTEND!!! I WILL!
rosey it says all the information in the blog if u can reed it
jo jo.you receive the Award for LOL of the post… ‘sheesh’!
Last I saw this isn’t on the list of funerals for which we are mivatlin talmud torah. On other hand, it would be a k’h to go, and possibly a c’h if not. Keep in mind also, that it is in a church and is therefore halachicly questionable if one may attend.
one does not need to go into the church. just to stand outside and
that a yid is seen being there and showing respect for the officers
of lakewood.
A person has to know whether what he is doing is doing is appropiate. If a person is working are you going to take off from work to go to the funeral? Probably not. Why then should someone in Yeshiva or Kollel take off for the funeral? Going to Yeshiva or Kollel is at least as important as working.
UTO – your are 100% CORRECT!!! This is a question of Kiddush Hashem or possible Chillul Hashem, this is a questuion of Bitul Torah, this is a question of long term relationships between a Torahdiga community and the people assigned to protect them. Do not listen to the bloggers here who insult you as if you do not have the ability to make a decision. You have made a decision – and the right one…..it is to follow Daas Torah!
Just wondering……If the Lakewood Hanhala asks everyone to leave work to attend the funural so there is a strong showing of Frum Yidden without asking the Bnei HaYeshiva to be Mevatel Torah – is everyone going to go? I am sure those who respect and don’t question Daas Torah will go…..and, sadly, others will think they are smarter or know better and not go……
Who knows Says:
“Why does it have to be decided by Rav Malkiel?”
IN RESPONSE TO YOUR ABOVE COMMENT OF “Why does it have to be decided by Rav Malkiel?” THAT IS CALLED lISTENING DASS TORAH AND LISTENING TO PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST A LITTLE BIT SMARTER THEN YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (AND IF REB MALKIEL TOLD ME WHERE TO BUY MY GROCERIES I WOULD BE THE HAPPIEST PERSON TO LISTEN TO HIM
Please Codev Chaverim !!!
It is a Shala and there is a teretz, and that is Chiddusm Hashem If the Rabonim feel it would be a Kiddush Hashem then they would be Mardrich their Olam accordingly. There where many cases when Gedoling told people to be Mvatl zman to shown repect to Government Officials.
UTO is correct 1000%
those that disagree- should read the mesech chochma is parshas eikev on the pasuk of ” u’voi sidbok”
where reb meir simcha zaztal states that listening to everything talmedai chochomim say is the backbone of the mitvah of bitachon
Potato Knish, I sincerely admire your Emunas Chachomim. To the extent that ” IF REB MALKIEL TOLD ME WHERE TO BUY MY GROCERIES I WOULD BE THE HAPPIEST PERSON TO LISTEN TO HIM”
Wow!
Just curious, What does Reb Malkiel say about you having internet?
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Potato
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sabra
and of course UTO
you all said what I would have written (if I got here before you)
to all those critics of UTO,
HaRav Malkiel knows whether or not it would cause a K”H or a CH”H – you don’t have to worry about his understanding of the rmaifications of his decisions. I would tell you to go ask your one of the Gedolim or even your Rav which position is correct, but, you probably all feel that you know better than the Gedolim and/or your Rav – so why bother…
Antime someone says something about listening to the Gedolim, inevitably someone qustions them why they are on the internet? FYI internet is acceptable, yes even in Lakewood, with proper precautions in place.
to chocoholic
firstly let me tell you i dont live in lakewood secondly i never claimed anywhere in my post that i am perfect i try my best to listen to gedolim and am DEFINTLEY MACSHIV WHAT THEY SAY!!!!!!!!! i unfourtantley have to have the internet for work and have spoken to my rav about it.
To “Who knows” and all other critics of dass torah:
i Have one question for you. you write that minor things dont need Dass torah THEN WHY DOES THE SHULCAN AROUCH BOTHER TO TELL US WHICH SHOE TO TIE FIRST?????????????????? ITs pretty insignifacant if you ask me?????????????????????
Potatoe knish,.Did shulchan aruch tell us which grocery to shop at, where to go on vacation, what color suit to wear, what meat to put in the cholent? What does shulchan aruch have to do with a person making his own decision as to whether or not to go to the funeral.Besides , did you ask rav malkiel if you should be on the internet, potatoe knish?
I am not critical of daas torah. And if Rav Malkiel will tell me where to buy my groceries – and tells me why – I would definitely listen, even if I don’t agree with his reasoning.
However, I do believe that I am smart enough to decide on my own where to buy groceries. I will not ask Rav Malkiel or my rov where to. But if they tell me (either directly, or by way of a kol koreh), I will listen.
My point is, not every time that someone has a question should he run to his rov.
I think most people are able to weight the pros and cons of attending a funeral. They can factor in all the circumstances that pertain to the frum community, and to them in particular, and make a decision based on those factors. If someone can not make this decision, then by all means he should ask his rov.
As in all aspects of life, everything has to be balanced. There are many questions which a person can answer himself; there are those for which a she’eilah is required. The threshhold for when to ask a she’eilah for any given circumstance, depends on a person’s level of Torah knowledge.
In this case, there are some people who have the Torah knowledge to decide for themselves whether or not to go to this funeral, and there are those who don’t and need to ask the question.
The matter is subjective, but a person has to be honest with himself.
Some people don’t like to think for themselves so they go and ask every little thing to a rav. I know of a person who is a nudnick and bothers the rov on every little thing. That is not right.
Sometimes a person has the right to say, as the Gimorah does, “Sivoroh hu, lomoh Li Krah?”
Ask one more thing please. What would be considered more relevant to
‘Bitul Torah’, attending the funeral of a public servant in order to show some hakoras hatov to the Lakewood police force, or to post comments on
YW ? Just curious!
so…
did anybody from the frum community show up?