The NTSB released numerous documents Tuesday morning to coincide with the start of their hearing on the crash of Flight 3407.
The two Pinnacle Airlines Corp. pilots violated rules against unnecessary cockpit chatter minutes before a February crash near Buffalo, New York, that killed 50 people, a U.S. safety board said.
First Officer Rebecca Shaw and Marvin Renslow, captain of the plane, chatted about flying experiences, career goals and other matters unrelated to their tasks as they communicated with air-traffic controllers and went through a checklist for landing. Less than four minutes before the plane went into a fatal dive, Renslow recounted flying in West Virginia and Florida.
One of the documents made public for the first time is the transcript of the audio captured by the Cockpit Voice Recorder.
The following is a conversation about icing between Captain Renslow and First Officer Shaw. It began shortly after passengers were told to take their seats, turn off portable electronic devices, and prepare for landing. The conversation lasted for nearly three minutes. During that time, Renslow and Shaw also prepared for landing and communicated with the tower. Those communications are included in the full transcript.
22:10:22.6
Shaw: is that ice on our windshield?
22:10:25.6
Renslow: got it on my side. you don’t have yours?
22:10:32.3
Shaw: oh yeah oh it’s lots of ice.
22:10:47.5
Renslow: oh yeah that’s the most I’ve seen- most ice I’ve seen on the leading edges in a long time. in a while anyway I should say.
22:10:51.4
Shaw: oh [inaudible].
22:10:57.7
Shaw: yeah that’s another thing. all the guys- [non-pertinent word] came in to our when we interviewed and he said oh yeah you’ll all be upgraded in six months into the Saab and blah ba blah ba blah and I’m thinking you know what. flying in the northeast I’ve sixteen hundred hours. all of that in Phoenix how much time do you think actual I had or any in in ice. I had more actual time on my first day of IOE than I did in the sixteen hundred hours I had when I came here.
22:11:21.0
Renslow: [sound of laughter]
22:11:22.2
Shaw: I’m not even kidding. the first day.
22:11:25.7
Renslow: well that sounds- well I mean I didn’t have sixteen hundred hours.
22:11:31.5
Renslow: but uh as a matter of fact I got hired with about six hundred and twenty five hours here.
22:11:37.6
Shaw: oh wow.
22:11:39.4
Renslow: uh.
22:11:39.9
Shaw: that’s not much for uh back when you got hired.
22:11:42.5
Renslow: no but uh out of that six and a quarter two hundred fifty hours was uh part one twenty one turbine. multi engine turbine.
22:11:50.0
Shaw: oh that’s right yeah.
22:11:54.3
Shaw: no but all these guys are complaining they’re saying you know how we were supposed to upgrade by now and they’re complaining I’m thinking you know what? I really wouldn’t mind going through a a winter in the northeast before I have to upgrade to captain
22:12:04.0
Renslow: no no.
22:12:05.0
Shaw: I’ve never seen icing conditions. I’ve never deiced. I’ve never seen any- I’ve never experienced any of that. I don’t want to have to experience that and make those kinds of calls. you know I’dve freaked out. I’dve have like seen this much ice and thought oh my gosh we were going to crash.
22:12:33.3
Shaw: but I’m glad to have seen oh- you know now I’m so much more comfortable with it all.
22:12:37.6
Renslow: yeah uh I I spent the first three months in uh Charleston West Virginia and uh flew-.
22:13:01.2
Renslow: but I- first couple of times I saw the amount of ice that that Saab would would pick up and keep on truckin’.
22:13:05.9
Shaw: yeah.
22:13:08.0
Renslow: saw it out on the spinner. ice comin’ out about that far my eyes about that big around. I’m going gosh. I mean Florida man- barely a little you know out of Pensacola.
22:13:09.3
Shaw: yeah.
22:13:14.2
Shaw: holy cow…oh my gosh…oh yeah.
The following portion of the transcript is the last 31 seconds recorded by the Cockpit Voice Recorder.
22:16:21.2
Shaw: gear’s down.
22:16:23.5
Renslow: flaps fifteen before landing checklist.
22:16:26.0
[sound similar to flap handle movement]
22:16:26.6
Shaw: uhhh.
22:16:27.4
[sound similar to stick shaker lasting 6.7 seconds]
22:16:27.7
[sound similar to autopilot disconnect horn repeats until end of recording]
22:16:27.9
[sound of click]
22:16:31.1
[sound similar to increase in engine power]
22:16:34.8
Renslow: “J.C”.
22:16:35.4
[sound similar to stick shaker lasting until end of recording]
22:16:37.1
Shaw: I put the flaps up.
22:16:40.2
[sound of two clicks]
22:16:42.2
Renslow: [sound of grunt] [unintelligible word]-ther bear.
22:16:45.8
Shaw: should the gear up?
22:16:46.8
Renslow: gear up oh [expletive].
22:16:50.1
[increase in ambient noise]
22:16:51.9
Renslow: we’re down.
22:16:51.9
[sound of thump]
22:16:52.0
Shaw: we’re [sound of scream]
4 Responses
The lawyers are drooling.
WOW….Very sad, it is obvious the Captain and the First Officer had little or no experience in icing conditions. I think the airlines should take a lesson from this and hire pilots with more experience in bad weather situations. These small turboprop aircraft are known to have pilots that are “right off the boat”, so to speak, with little experience flying commercially.
Can someone please explain to me why, out of all of today’s news stories, this one was deemed important enough to relate in all its gory detail? The way i see it all it does is desensitize us to the suffering of others. One should not be able to physically make it through such a story.
#3 –
Sorry that you’re having trouble reading this story.
The more publicity this story gets, the more the airlines will feel compelled to higher their accountability and oversight in assigning newer pilots to bad weather prone flight zones.