39 Responses

1. What’s next?

   Will they ch”v decide to hang him?! Then they could be sure he won’t be a flight risk. He also wouldn’t be a risk to tell the world what it’s like to be lynched in United States of America, by blood-thirsty animals who pose as “law-enforcement agents” and “animal-rights activists”.

   What will it take until there is a HUGE demonstration by every single man, woman and child from the entire frum Orthodox community demanding not to allow this minute-after-minute step-by-step destruction of a very vennerable and respected Jewish family.

   Have they inspected all the non-Jewish slaughterhouses throughout the country? WE DEMAND TO SEE THAT ALL OTHERS ARE “UP TO SNUFF”, BEFORE ALLOWING THEM TO ENGAGE IN A CAMPAIGN THAT IS DAMAGING, PAINFUL, TRAGIC, SELECTIVE OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY. We will scream “KRISTALNACHT IN POSTVILLE!!” loud and strong, and we won’t stop until true justice, and an even standard for all meat-packers, is achieved.

2. Thank You #1. Thank you very much.

3. DaasTorahWtchdg when are you starting your protest.

4. Oh, please. Cut out the hysterics. You’re entitled to think that he’s not a flight risk or even that he’s innocent, but if you think he’s going to be hung, then you’re just over the top.

   The Wolf

5. To #1:
   while you seem certain that s. rubashkin is not a flight risk, the judge clearly saw things differently, especially considering the evidence cited. while you are “sure” that sholom wasn’t going anywhere, certainly reasonable minds could view this evidence differently. this is not communist russia and not a lynching. sholom will have his day in court.

   first of all, there will not be a “HUGE demonstration by every single man, woman and child from the entire frum Orthodox community”, because many people in the “frum Orthodox community” do not share your view that these proceedings constitute the “destruction of a very vennerable and respected Jewish family”. in fact, many in the “frum Orthodox community” feel that the ongoing saga of this case constitutes the largest scale chilull hashem perpetrated in HISTORY. this downward spiral has been going on for a very long time now, and many things could have been done (which were not) to address the problems and stop the chilul hashem. instead, time after time, each and every problem was met with defiance. perhaps you should have called for a “HUGE demonstration” against this chilul hashem. doing so a while back may have actually done rubashkin a lot of good, and sholom r. might not have been in sitting in jail right now if the frum community would have spoken out against him sooner. think about that! you claim to be a supporter of the rubashkins, but, in retrospect, your “support” and “encouragement” have only contributed to their sense of false security, and the defiant attitude which they approached their legal problems. perhaps had you related to them differently, you might have done them much more good, and saved them from going to jail. that would have been true ‘pidyon shevuyim’!!

   you “DEMAND TO SEE THAT ALL OTHERS ARE “UP TO SNUFF”, BEFORE ALLOWING THEM TO ENGAGE IN A CAMPAIGN THAT IS DAMAGING, PAINFUL, TRAGIC, SELECTIVE OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY” – two (or three or four) wrongs don’t make a right. the fact that the car in front of you was speeding won’t save you from a ticket (nor should it). grow up.

   you suggest that we scream “KRISTALNACHT IN POSTVILLE!!” – how sick are you?? you insinuate that the rubashkin’s woes are tantamount to the holocaust?? you need your head examined. sholom rubashkin has been charged with several VERY serious crimes, and he will be afforded a fair trial in one of the most fair justice systems in the world (imperfect, yes, but still one of the best). he will receive glatt kosher food, be allowed to daven, have visitors, and other such accommodations while in prison. last i checked, jews in the holocaust weren’t given the opportunity to defend themselves in court, let alone given a hot glatt meal everyday. the fact that you could make such a comparison is offensive.

   perhaps if you take a break from your “daas torah” watch, you should study the story of r. amram at the end of kiddushin. r’ amram publicly embarrassed himself rather than cover up and hide an aveirah he was about to do, because “better to be embarrassed in this world than be embarrassed in the next world”.
   we in the frum community need to take some time to consider whether we should continue this systematic denial (as exhibited by #1 above) of every crime or wrongdoing involving another frum person, or should we learn to confront these issues publicly (since they are very public already). if we continue our pattern of denial, we only encourage and support additional wrongdoing, and we surely have a chelek in the continuing resulting chilul hashem. methinks that this will leave us with much to answer for in the next world.

6. As C. Columbus said: “The only danger is in the mutiny from within”.

   Unfortunately there are many from acheinu b’nei yisroel who continue to bash the Rubashkins, and naiively accept that if “THE AUTORITIES” got them they must be criminals. They talk the talk of “hevei dan l’chaf z’chus” but don’t at all walk the walk. I see a lot of their postings on this website, and kal-v’chomer on other sites.

   Klal yisroel must unite, and ALL rabbonim must speak in ALL shuls that every single yid must forcefully uproot the sinas chinom we allow ourselves to defaullt to, and rise up to defend this venerable family.

7. My dad taught me a long time ago that every Jew should have cash and a passport ready as history has taught us you never know when you will need both. This was probably the reason for this

8. While I cry at the though of his being in jail or prison, or at the thought of any Yid being in jail or prison, I hate to say it, but if I had been the judge, I would also have denied bail.

   He made the right move with the evidence presented to him.

   There is no sinah, there is no anti-semitism, there is just plain and simple consequences to behaviors.

   Yes, we need to daven for him and his family.
   Yes, we need to say Tehillin for him and his family.
   But, no, we should not go around blaming others for the fix he is in. It is not fair to blame the judge or the prosecutor for doing their jobs. All of the evidence points to his guilt and to his being a great flight risk. The judge had no choice in this matter.

9. #1… you gotta chill and take a look at the issues in a level-headed and rational manner.
   Hyperbole and sensationalism doesn’t help anyone — especially if it’s not true.

   You may not like PETA nor the Feds, and you may (as others) claim that selective and unfair prosecution is going on– but that may or may not be the case.

   There are too many “alleged” misdeeds here for a rational person to not assume that at least SOME of them are (unfortunately)true. I do agree with you that all slaughterhouses should be checked nationwide, and if it turns out that there has been unfair prosecution – it should be remedied.

   As far as the family goes, they may or may not be well respected and “chashuv” — this however has no relevance to the case of alleged misdeeds.

   Stealing from Reuven to give to Shimon is not being a Baal Chesed or Baal Tzedakah (as many people have referred to him). It is being a Baal Geneiva. One must pay their workers fair and agreed upon wages, and overtime– which was allegedly not done. Sorry to inform you of this.

   And not fullfilling one’s word to the familys who relocated to Pottsville from a foreign country? And Bank Fraud? Document Fraud?? All of these are untrue??

   Will you next call the trial Judge “Hitler” (YM”M)for trying the case???? GO HYPERBOLE!!!!

10. D.T. Wtchdg & Yosi – What transpired today, as reported here, is a perfectly normal, conventional bail ruling. Evidence was offered showing probable plans to flee and bail was denied. No chiddush – happens probably hundreds of times a week in criminal courts.

11. Zalmy, afra l’pumecha. May you recieve the punishment you deserve min hashomayim.

12. #11. Stop the name calling and the Sinas Chinam.
    Zalmy has a right to his opinion, as do you. Are others calling you names or wishing Evil on you, for your sensationalist views???

13. To those who say that there is no sina involved….. You are 100% wrong! The judge may have truly felt that there was a flight risk and it’s very possible that he’s right, but there is sina and his sina could only have helped him make that ruling, and if you want to know how I know that there is sina over here, the answer is that we are in גלות and the גיום hate us and especially and 100x more those of us who are successful and are wealthy.

14. I would like to receive the punishment Zalmy deserves min hashomayim for his words of emes and true mussar. Yasher koach, Zalmy.

15. #13 is right #11 is a fool Zalmy is partialy right

16. we need our chicken back

17. #15, go Aryeh for sticking up for another Yid who dares to have an opinion that is not sensationalist…

    EDITOR: Please keep an eye out (and don’t post) name calling or other inapropriate behavior not becoming Yiddin. If things get out of hand, please consider shutting down the comments section on this article… Thank you….

18. #14: There is a “Halacha” that Eisav Sone et Yaakov. I do not know if this applies to all eino Yehudim, nor if it is specifically relegated to Galut, nor especially to sucessful/wealthy people.

    The Judge who ruled on this case may or may not be from Edom.

19. Sorry, correction on my last post: I meant to write “Esav” not “Edom” when referring to the Judge who ruled on the case.

20. I would like to start with an apology to Zalmy for something I wrote before, which should definitely not have been said. I apologize. I take back what I said. You, and all other yiden, from all stripes and colors, should always have and recieve only THE VERY BEST min hashamayim.

    However, may I say that it is SO painful to read some of these comments. How can you have anything but the greatest rachmanus for a Jewish family who were turned overnight from riches to rags? Why give the benefit of the doubt to “The Justice System”, and not give the benefit of the doubt to other yiden who are in a dire situation and need it. In pre-war Germany also the yiden for centuries held the “hauchkorrekt” gov’t in the highest esteem, until they realized painfully what savage beasts they really were. DON’T BE SO SURE IT’S NOT LIKE THAT IN AMERITCHKE!!!

    Let me make 1 point clear – i staunchly hold that it is absolutely unacceptable and intolerable for any yid to violate the law of the land in any way whatsoever. As yiden we are commanded that “dina d’malchusa dina”. We must adhere to that halacha as stringently as we do to hilchos kashrus, tznius, tzedaka, etc. And let’s not forget that chilul hashem is from the sins that yom kippur does not take away. So when going about our affairs we must know that we are dealing with EXTREMELY SERIOUS ISSURIM if we violate the “dina d’malchusa”. (At present) this gov’t has no laws that would prohibit us from kiyum torah & mitzvos, so it could be said that we just have to adhere to ALL their laws. It always bothers me that in a small town near where I live called Boro Park there is a kinus every year where some frum professionals – attorneys and accontants – are called to address the olam on the dangers of not doing things “above board”. Kudos & yasher koach to those professionals, but – why aren’t all the rabbonim screaming about this? (Guys – please don’t make my blood boil up by responding: “because they themselves are criminals!”) I wish there would be much more emphasis on that. Very unfortunately – it does not seem to be an important enough issue for the heads of some chashuva kehillos to address.
    Even if there were no halachic issurim involved, still since so many frum people have been jailed for a common-denominator of “white-collar” crimes, l’tovas hatzibur the rabbonim should rile against these sleazy practices that bring disaster onto many families, kehillos and klal yisroel at large.

    Now – what to do when the news – the EVIL, EVIL media – carry a story of a frum person caught doing no good? We then also have a halachic obligation – to give the individual the benfit of the doubt, and NOT BELIEVE IT! Do you hear what I say? You must NOT BELIEVE IT!!! That’s what the hielige Chafetz Chaim states many, many times in his flagship sefer. This should not be difficult if it’s the media & the “justice system”, who are not ‘cut from the finest cloth” (please see Avos 2:3). It starts to become quite difficult to continue NOT BELIEVING IT after r”l the frum person is convicted by judge & jury. But the same holds true. We must NOT BELIEVE

21. #6 Daastorahwachdog says “ALL rabbonim must speak in ALL shuls that every single yid must forcefully uproot the sinas chinom…”

    – you insinuate that those who are not unconditionally supporting and encouraging the rubashkins (as you are) are guilty of “sinas chinam”.

    explain to me, then, the meaning of the mitzva of ‘hocheach tochiach’. we have an obligation to correct our fellow yiddin when they are doing things wrong. is this ‘sinah’, because we are not unquestioningly applauding every action they do?? chas v’shalom!! true ‘ahava’ is (constructively) confronting a fellow yid who is making a mistake, correcting him, and directing him on the right path. just like when we reprimand our own children when they misbehave, we do this out of love for them and their development as menchen, NOT out of ‘sinah’, chas ve’shalom.

    as i stated above, those who TRULY care about the rubashkin family should be focused on (constructively) helping them correct the activities they have been involved in which have created such a huge mess and have devastated the lives of hundreds of yiddin and non-yiddin alike. encouraging the rubashkins to continue on defiantly, and asserting that all of their problems are only a result of jealousy and anti-semitism is not ‘ahavah’ at all – quite the opposite. its not much different than applauding and encouraging your precious child as they play in the street.

22. I would like to start with an apology to Zalmy for something I wrote before, which should definitely not have been said. I apologize. I take back what I said. You, and all other yiden, from all stripes and colors, should always have and recieve only THE VERY BEST min hashamayim.

    However, may I say that it is SO painful to read some of these comments. How can you have anything but the greatest rachmanus for a Jewish family who were turned overnight from riches to rags? Why give the benefit of the doubt to “The Justice System”, and not give the benefit of the doubt to other yiden who are in a dire situation and need it. In pre-war Germany also the yiden, for centuries, held the “hauchkorrekt” gov’t in the highest esteem, until they realized painfully what savage beasts they really were. DON’T BE SO SURE IT CAN’T BE LIKE THAT IN AMERITCHKE!!!

    Let me make 1 point clear – I staunchly hold that it is absolutely unacceptable and intolerable for any yid to violate the law of the land in any way whatsoever. As yiden we are commanded that “dina d’malchusa dina”. We must adhere to that halacha as stringently as we do to hilchos kashrus, tznius, tzedaka, etc. And let’s not forget that chilul hashem is from the sins that yom kippur does not take away. So when going about our affairs we must know that we are dealing with EXTREMELY SERIOUS ISSURIM if we violate the “dina d’malchusa”. (At present) this gov’t has no laws that would prohibit us from kiyum torah & mitzvos, so it could be said that we just have to adhere to ALL their laws. It always bothers me that in a small town near where I live called Boro Park there is a kinus every year where some frum professionals – attorneys and accontants – are called to address the olam on the dangers of not doing things “above board”. Kudos & yasher koach to those professionals, but – why aren’t all the rabbonim screaming about this? (Guys – please don’t make my blood boil up by responding: “because they themselves are criminals!”) I wish there would be much more emphasis on that. Very unfortunately – it does not seem to be an important enough issue for the heads of some chashuva kehillos to address.
    Even if there were no halachic issurim involved, still since so many frum people have been jailed for a common-denominator of “white-collar” crimes, l’tovas hatzibur the rabbonim should rile against these sleazy practices that bring disaster onto many families, kehillos and klal yisroel at large.

    Now – what to do when the news – the EVIL, EVIL media – carry a story of a frum person caught doing no good? We then also have a halachic obligation – to give the individual the benfit of the doubt, and NOT BELIEVE IT! Do you hear what I say? You must NOT BELIEVE IT!!! That’s what the hielige Chafetz Chaim states many, many times in his flagship sefer. This should not be difficult if it’s the media & the “justice system”, who are not “cut from the finest cloth” (please see Avos 2:3). It starts to become quite difficult to continue NOT BELIEVING IT after r”l the frum person is convicted by judge & jury. But the same holds true. We must NOT BELIEVE IT. It’s not always easy to do the right thing, but THAT is the right thing!

    Even though we know in our hearts that the yid did no wrong, still he now faces a terrible fate of prison term, loss of all his money, and unbearable hardships on the family. We now have to go into the mode of helping the accused and his family in whatever way possible. In divrei chazal, “pidyon sh’vuyim” is always regarded very highly. In some cases, it’s even permitted to be mechalel shabbos, because extreme sakana may be involved. IN OUR AMERITCHKE ALSO EXTREME SAKANA MAY BE INVOLVED!!! Ask people who nebach were there. If you cannot help out physically or with a monetary donation, please remember that the “accused” & his family scan all the websites & other news outlets for anything on their beloved. YOU COULD MAKE THEIR DAY BY WRITING SOMETHING HEART-WARMING TO THEM instead of your gut feeling about the case, which is not always right anyway. Again, I don’t wish anything bad on any yid (I have just become a reformed former basher). But try to imagine if it was your own son or brother chas v’shalom. Even if you would know without doubt that he is guilty you would not like to hear anything negative about them, especially when “their chips are down”.

    So Please! Go out of your way! Say only GOOD things about yiden, even when the “pragmatic genius” inside you pulls the other way. Don’t give in to your evil inclination! Do a chesed with another yid & his family who are r”l in an ais tzarah!

    And may Hyi”s help that you and your family, along with all yiden and their families, should not know of any tzaar.

    A Gut Shabbos!

23. Re # 22 – Zalmy, my hat’s off to you – yasher koach – no one could have said it more clearly.

    People such as D.T Watchdog should consider that when they spew forth rants, such as comparing this country to Germany, on a public forum without any fear of consequences – it puts a lie to those very rants. In anything but a free society someone in authority would silence them. I think they relish the paranoid world they create for themselves, and that no amount of logic or reasoning will move them from their ignorant intolerance.

24. I can think of other cases off the top of my head where when a subject of an investigation (not Jewish) was found with a passport and large amount of cash, he was immediately deemed a flight risk and detained for that reason.

    I agree that 100% that all Yidden should have current passports and some amount of liquid assets readily available for their own safety, but that doesn’t mean that Mr. Rubashkin is somehow being singled out in being named a flight risk.

25. To # 24:

    Don’t be so in love with this country & it’s gov’t, especially when they are incriminating a fellow Jew.

    The Torah commands us: “V’ahavta L’rayaha Kamocha”. Not “V’ahavta l’government Kamocha”.

    Both my parents are holocaust survivors. Both recount how goyim who were friends of their family for generations OVENIGHT turned into their most vicious informers and murderers. If you would have read my last posting clearly you would have seen that I beseech that we respect the ALL the laws of this gov’t. Their laws, yes. Them, when they are incriminating another Jew, no way!

    It is very important that we SPEAK OUT against the evil way in which the gov’t officials are descending on this Jewish family. Yes, let them hear our rants loud and clear. I spoke about a MASS PROTEST! We should not cower down when they are destroying, lynching a yiddishe family.

    LO TAAMOD AL DAM RAYECHA!!!

26. # 22 Zalmy (my new friend):

    Hochayach tochicach is ONLY PRIVATELY, not in the form of a public website like this one. Otherwise, the passuk continues to say: “Vlo sisa alav chait”.

    Remember, the individual & his family DO read these postings, and writing tochacha on them about them is very hurtful to them, and not a mitzvah.

    As far as the Rubashkin family – it doesn’t seem that there’s any reason to worry that they will violate the law anytime in the future. As for therest of us, we should be admonished without mentioning the Rabashkin name or names of other yiden who were convicted of crimes.

27. DaasTorahWatchmen . . . your denial is amazing, so let me say this slowly . . . RUBASHKIN INCRIMINATED HIMSELF . . . U. S. Attorneys don’t go around wasting their time cooking up false cases like this . . . this is not 1908 Russia . . . and when they do overreach, the Federal Courts come down on them publicly. I work in a law enforcement agency (black hat, tzistzis out and all) and I don’t have the luxery of your erroneous judgments – you are clueless as to how the real world really works.

28. DaasTorah:

    I’d like to take this opportunity again to thank you profusely for standing up for the TORAH.

29. Joseph – You have a profound case of Torah/Rubaskin confusion

30. Yonason – If you were sitting in a prison cell in Iowa today, would you want us to engage in Pidyon Shvuyim on your behalf?

31. To Yonason and others who agree he shouldn’t be released on bail,
    First of all Yoni, how many times do you have to inform us that you work for law enforcement?
    I personally have no negious whether he rots or not. I don’t agree with those bloggers that this is Nazi Germany, but I do think this Judgement is based on anti-semitism. I looked up some news articles online on this case just now. He was arrested two times. The first time he was arrested, he was released on a large bail amt. besides which he had to wear an ankle bracelet and surrender his and his wife’s passports. Now I only found one article that stated whose passports they found this time. It was the kids, not his. Even YWN fails to mention this. It said in the article that the Court found three reasons not to release him this time – 1. The plant is up for sale -so it shows he wants to leave Iowa and there won’t be anymore ties for him to remain in Iowa. (False -it is up for sale because the Rubaskins are in serious financial trouble which was kicked off by the Federal raid.) (If somehow there financial woes are solved, the Rubashkins have no plans on leaving.) 2. He is a flight risk to Israel. (You know the gov’t always says that. Can you imagine the international uproar if every foreigner or immigrant accused of a crime would not be allowed to be released on bail because they might go back to their country of origin. Also, why do they always equate Jews with Israel? Do they equate every Catholic with Rome, Italy? Do they equate evey WASP with England?) 3. They found in his house a “travel” bag with his birth certificate, his kid’s passports and cash. (No one in The US of A besides people trying to run from the law would ever do such a thing.) Also, they know like I know, they can’t enter Israel without a passport. Also, someone who is being monitored 24/7 with GPS has about 5-10 minutes (at the most) to get away before they start chasing him. You can barely get around the block in that time, let alone leave Iowa or the Country. We should learn from the schvartzes, if they even suspect racism, they riot and burn to get their point across. This Judge either suffers from Delusional Paranoia or is an avid Anti-Semite!

32. To Zalmy

    I regret to inform you that he will not get a fair trial.He has been convicted in the court of public opinion even by fellow Jews.Do not lecture us on fair trial.O.J.Simpson got a fair trial,right?Ever heard of Pollard?Now here we have a real fair trial.What about Scrushy?CEO of Healthsouth.You as well as anyone who never had a run in with the law ,live in fantasyland.I know a very big askan who was detained for connections to Al-Quieda,yes someone who lost freinds and many close yidden to terror attacks was hels in federal detention for 5 months and denied bail (flight risk)and the DA came to court accusing this chashuve askan for connections to Al Queida.When the case came before a judge,it was dismissed and the judge reprimanded the DA for their behavior.Meanwhile he spent 5 months and 75k on a lawyer in what you think is a fair system.Most trial judges are fair and honest from what i have seen,but in traffic court i have seen behavior which is disgusting,so please dont lecture us on the absolute values of our system.Ever wonder why we have 4x the criminals as Canada?What happens when you go north a little?You become a tzadikk?While he should get glatt kosher and tefillin etc. while in jail that does not make his incarceration justified.Having a passport and cash,big deal.Reminds me when i got stopped at customs with 5k,and they questiones me for an hour.I had to explain them that some people actually work and make money and 5k is not a large amount of money.That was also justice.Are you aware that if you speed say 50mph in a 30mph zone you can be jailed for 30 days.Thta is the law,at least that is what a cop told me when he stopped me a while back.He was a real sport he didnt arrest me.
    Bottom line,dont pass judgement,pleading guilty is no proof either,because they threaten you either plead guolty or we will throw the book at you.Rubashkin will plea rather than go to trial.It cost around 500k to run through a trial and you never know what way the jury will go.(o.j.etc.)
    And I hope you never got paid under the table,and you filed for all your chasunah presents etc.or if your parents gave you mor ethan 10k for a house(i know,you said it was a loan-whio are you fooling)What absolute idiot would invoke din shamayim in regards to this.I dont Rubashkin,I do like his meat,but he deserves our support and so far has committed no chillul hashem as innocent until proven guilty.
    #15-are you out of your mind?you have such wide shoulders that u are willing to be mekabel din shamayim?while zalmy makes some valid points,he clearly makes some invalid points.be careful with what you wish for.i wish no harm to any yid(including this ewho stole millions and at one point made me destitute)yet here people are quick to wish upon the other,hashem yerachem.AFRA L’PUEAMACEM.Please,as anti chabad as i am neve rdid i allow it to get personal and wish bad on anyone.Families have lost their parnossoh and yes hundreds of goyim oin pottsville have suffered,this is a lose-lose situation where bully tactic goverment a’la Iraq war is at its finest.Goverment does whatever the hell they want and the masses accept it.It isnt that simple and sadly the Rubashkins are caughtv up this time.BTW,how many frum yidden would you say are tied up with ninja loans,life insurance,goverment aid,etc.etc.NOONE othe rthan reb yakov ztl (and reb noshe,okay and rav pam)would pass the test,the feds have something on everyone,and thats a promise.Tell me your profession and i will tell you your vice.Are you a medical pro?Right your medicare and medicaid billinga would stand scrutiny,are you a lawyer,you kno wwhayt reb moshe said about being a lawyer.maybe a plumber but that wont work becaus eyou get paid cash,ditto elictrician.store owner?you neve rtake cash from someone you know so they dont pay sales tax,right?its not a frumme yidden symptom,its the whole damn usa,thats why we are in such a mess.so lay off the rubashkins.
    and if anyone reade this who knows the rubashkins,let the family know that many in klall yisroel are davening for them and our thoughts are with them .

33. To misterzee,

    Yasher koach.

34. We’re about to enter Shabbos. Let us ask Mechilah from each other for our strong words. There are many issues that have been raised, most of them valid for a forum. For example, has America been more vigorous in its prosecution of Jews than the general population? Do we frum Jews need to clean up our act? What do we who sit here at our computers need to do (aside from spellcheck and a few lessons in grammar)? Perhaps we should take a lesson from the Sotah. Haroeh sotah b’kilkulah, yazir min hayayin, Someone who sees a Sodah in her disgrace should abstain from wine. Let us take current events to heart and strive to do better. Torah, Tzedakah, Gemilas Chesed, Tefillah, Tehilim, there are plenty of improvements we can each choose which are for us.

35. Yonason – (not David Hamelech’s yedid)

    Your words are the words of a moser and a rodeif. I will not allow your venomous comments to go unchecked here on this chashuva website. When friends and family of the “teire” Rubashkin family read these postings I want to make sure your filth gets its proper rebuke.

    You work in “law-enforcement”? Makes you even more sure of being a moser and rodeif. What do you do in your capacity as an “enforcer of the law” when you have to report or arrest a yid? Do you have any conflict within yourself? Does your conscience set off any alarms that, even if this yid has really committed a crime, your actions in bringing about his incrimination makes you a moser, hence CHAYAV MISAH?! From your many maniacal rantings it would seem that it doesn’t.

    You should attend an Arachim seminar, to take another look at coming back to authentic Jewish belief. The way you behave today clearly makes your black hat & tzitzis a great sham and utter hippocracy.

36. To misterzee: You are sorely mistaken.

    You say with passion, “NOONE other than reb yakov ztl (and reb noshe,okay and rav pam)would pass the test,the feds have something on everyone,and thats a promise.Tell me your profession and i will tell you your vice.”

    I say, it’s an individual’s decision to break the law and to teach and encourage his or her children to do it as well.

    NOT ALL frum yidden are sneaky crooks. But unfortunately many, many, many are. And unfortunately this type of illegal behavior has become acceptable behavior in our supposedly frum, pious communities. We frum yidden who are lawful unfortunately have to bear the brunt of all of you who are not.

37. To corect an earlier and as yet unposted comment – there were at least tree sets of allegations brought against Rubashkin – State Labor, Federal Labor/Immigration and Federal Financial Fraud – both arrests were Federal, though on independent grounds brought by different grand juries.

38. DTWD – I printed out your comments about me and showed them to chaverim – Shkoyach . . . good laughs were had by all. Calm down and have a Git Shabbos . . . (Unless, of course, you can’t take you mind off all those Ant-Semetic-Liberal- Neo-Nazi-Self-Hating-Mamzerim who are out to get you and Rubashkin)

39. There are a few things that seem abnormal:

    1. Everyone writes how they found passports with the cash in his room. What they fail to mention is that he and his wife had allready given up their passports to the feds.

    2. The officers who searched his home and found the money, never actually counted it, they flipped through it and estimated how much there was. When the family counted it afterward, there was actually $12,000 – far from enough to run anywhere without a passport and with a family.

    3. The silver coins found, were the ones used for machtzis hashekel every year in Postville.

    4. His wife can only visit him once a week and even then cannot meet him face to face – only via video. Don’t forget he was never found guilty of anything, supposedly the only reason he is in prison is ascertain that he will not flee, so why the harsh treatment?!