A video viral on social media is making waves in the Jewish community, Monday afternoon.
The video shows what appears to be an Orthodox Jewish women being assaulted multiple times, by a black woman inside the Target Department Store in Flatbush.
According to the video, the attacker admits numerous times that she was upset that the victim did not say “excuse me”, and reached over her child to get something from the shelf. This caused the attacker to become enraged, and hit the victim at least three times on camera.
At the end of the video, the woman asks people to call for security.
One person told YWN that the NYPD reportedly refused to press charges and instead they actually assisted the attacker in filing harassment suit against the victim who was was assaulted.
YWN has been unable to verify if this is in fact the case.
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Absolutely not the right behavior from the obnoxious condescending “religious” woman.
Teasing and threatening while you have your little camera out is not the proper derech. Sorry .
No matter how the black woman initially reacted ( most likely irrationally) to the supposed affront to her daughter , that was still not the way to handle it .
Chillul Hashem .
I believe that when someone is upset at you for not saying excuse me , whether they are justified or not, the correct response is to apologize and let everyone go on their merry way. There was no reason to antagonize the woman by videoing her and getting her upset with comments. There is nothing to gain and all to lose.
True, the video began after the initial confrontation, so i don’t know exactly what transpired, however it seems that the violence only began after the video and comments started. I do not feel that it should not have continued in this manner, egging her on and creating ill feelings.
Even if the woman initially overreacted to reaching over her child’s head without an “excuse me”, saying something like “oh, I’m so sorry” will generally diffuse the situation.
This shows how the nypd is covering up crime to show crime is falling, something no one normal believes. The nypd took the side of the vilda chaya since many of them are horrible anti semites i heard them uniform disparage a slow yid by calling him doughboy, abd these guys are the ones who are called donut eaters. Are the cops from the 70th police station as that is notorious for being against yidden
carry mace and be prepared to use it. It is the antitode to makos hoshech.
Moron. I hope the filmer learned her lesson. Walk away. What ga’avah.
The only innocent victim here is the child who is being dragged around by her mother and being put in the middle of this physical confrontation.
regardless of whether the Jewish woman said excuse me, As a matter of law the violent women should be arrested and punished, period. the victim needs a lawyer and present the evidence
nothing new Jewish ppl don’t know how to say thank you or excuse me, parents don’t teach them manners.
Yesterdays news is that someone received an ELEVEN (11) year sentence for burning a cross in Mississippi. I think this was federal court. There was no physical confrontation.
I was wondering how long it will be today before I found the same old same old in here to post this comment and show the striking difference in our equal justice.
I agree with the first two. The frum woman should have said sorry right away and the black woman would have been fine. I didn’t see a need to keep antagonizing her. The woman did not seem hateful, she seemed upset. I would have said sorry, given a smile and done.
You need to point out that she’s black? I can see that. Don’t be racist. If it were a white woman, would the headline specify that?
What an embarrassment that a frum woman should be so provocative! So what if the other woman had an attitude, since when do we create machlokes and turn people against us?Say sorry move on! We are in golus and need to watch our behaviour. NYPD did the right thing. I could feel her anger when spoken to like that. I felt like thumping her myself. Who do you think you are!
It pains me so much to watch.. No, not because an uncouth woman who grew up in shmutz and violence is acting like one would expect.. but that one of my jewish sisters is filming it and blowing it up and acting just like the chaot she lives around. I know flatbush well and to walk down the street these days around where Target is (or anywhere really) is basically to dive in into a sewer. Being around people like that is hurting us. I don’t see any anti semitism here.. Is the woman filming it acting like a bas yisroel? Maybe it is time that we should be a little honest about how the goim around us see us.. our chutzpah, our arrogance, and our behavior as the US was our home!!! Maybe it is finally time to wake up and do teshuva for our chutzpah, gaiva.. This african american goya is hardly the cause of our ills.. she is just reacting to us –and how long we have sunk.. Instead of awe and pachad and admiration, the goim have started to despise us.
The Ignorant are saying she should have apologized, how do you know she did or didn’t prior to starting the recording?
Either way if she had or had not apologized it wouldn’t have changed anything you need to grow up among the black American culture to truly understand their victimized way of thinking, feeling, living its the “ghetto”, “thug”,
“keeping it real” culture just by seeing that she was a “white Girl” the natural animalistic jealousy sprouted in to abuse and anger.
P.S- that “child” is born out of wedlock from either thug number 5,6 or 10 who will most likely be incarcerated within 2 to 5 years for a violent or drug related felony at a ridiculously young age of this “mother”.
(B’kavunah) -BARUCH SHELO OSANI GOY!!!
Typical Hymie from NY. She should move OOT for a least a year, and maybe she’ll learn how to interact with Goyim!
Were there ANY Frum Bystanders???? Did they intervene?? Even just going to the Jewish lady and removing her from the scene would have been enough! Why no intervention? (Maybe there weren’t any?)
Oy….when will we ever learn? We are in galus. The goyim own this world and we have to be so careful to make sure we behave above and beyond the rest of the nations of this world. If she didn’t say excuse me she should have apologized and moved away. Why antagonize? So that you can have a “cool” video to show your friends about what a behaima did and said? It’s called CHILLUL HASHEM!! NOT COOL AT ALL!
Seriously!!! were blaming the victim. I cant believe what Im reading in peoples comments. Maybe the victim should have bought her attacker a cup of coffee and donut after the first punch. and taken her out for lunch for the 2nd punch. Since when does someone have a right to use force because they didnt say excuse me or becuase they reached over someone to get an item. And she has every right to film an act of violence against her. Why is that considered instigating? What if the piece of trash says she was hit first? Now she has the truth on camera of who hit who and what actually transpired. How about you sit tight while I punch you because you didnt say Excuse me for something? Its disgusting how Achenu Bnei Yisroel will side with a piece of trash over a Bas Yisroel. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I agree with most of the commenters here. The Jewish woman was provoking. “Just because I didn’t say excuse me”. The Jewish woman should have said “excuse me for not saying excuse me” and move on. The other woman kept trying to leave and walk away and but the Jewish woman kept calling her back. An embarrassment and chilul Hashem for Jews. The child did not look scared, she looked sad that the Jewish woman was harrassing her mother.
no the NYPD did not do the right thing, not saying excuse me isnt a crime allthou its a lack of manners, hitting a person is a crime and the NYPD should enforce it
The Black woman (and, ChiefShmerel, I point that only to differentiate between the two women) was clearly out of line, but the woman she was with was pulling her away. the Jewish woman (see note above) was clearly keeping the fight going even after the Black woman walked away.
The Black woman acted the way she did because she clearly isn’t normal, she had her “shomer” with her. I really don’t understand the Jewish woman’s behavior. It wasn’t quite normal either.
Regardless of whether or not the Jewish woman acted wisely or appropriately, crossing the line to violence is ALWAYS wrong, both morally and legally. How can be that most people commenting here have missed this basic fact?
This is why black people are hated. They are useless people and only cause chaos. Name one country that’s majority black that’s doing well.
The woman holding the camera is ”escalating” the conflict. She’s probably scared for her life, and does not have support, and the next best thing she knows to do is pull out her camera. We should all learn how to ”de-escalate” a conflict. Saying ”I’m sorry” would have de-escalated it. But people who are scared do not have the ability to de-escalate. They go into frantic mode and do irrational things. My sympathies lie with both women.
Yes, the non-Jewish woman’s reaction is over the top and irrational. But it’s Elul—Hashem sent someone to make us wonder if we are being a considerate of other people, sensitive to them, or just caught up in our own needs and wants. And just as importantly—are we being a Kiddush Hashem?? Oy, we all know the answer after watching this painful video….
This is 100% babyesh grow up complete Baal gaaveh
Certain Ethnic groups carry chips on their shoulders and get offended by seemingly innocent events. Yes the Jewish woman is also wrong and should have apologized and said excuse me and shouldn’t have carried on and on like she did. But, the other woman didn’t have to take so much offence to the extent that she slugged the Jewish woman. They were both very wrong for the way they both acted.
I never comment… but now I feel compelled to do so. To all self hating Jews who criticized the woman taking the video( while maybe she could’ve handled it better) had the scenario been the reverse, I would bet the national debt you would defend the other side. Just keep quiet and go be a self hating Jew privately, not on a public forum
While I can not stand it… it’s perfectly normal these days to pull out a phone when something like this happens! Stop nitpicking
@comments,
You are right, crossing the line to violence is morally and legally wrong. But, instigating and provoking a fight is certainly morally wrong (I have no idea if its illegal or not.) How can it be that you missed this basic fact?
This is not how hashem wants us to act,bottom line.we are supposed be a light unto the nations,we are supposed to quietly go about our business, emphasis on the quietly.
What surprise me here Is that Target has no security guard. They have cameras all over
Why didn’t anyone intervene from the store to stop the fight?
The black lady in her defense just kept focusing on the fact that the the lady filming did not say excuse me. She didn’t say anything that immaturely attacks the frum lady. We need to learn that not every store is our local kosher store; we don’t own the world , or the city.
Don’t know for sure what happened prior to the video but either way a frum person doesn’t act this way in public ;apologizing doesn’t take anything away from you. Not sure why she feels that this video is something to be proud off.
I don’t think I would be very happy if anyone got so close to my face with a camera.
Eliesty
Well said
All the people siding with the black thing, you are מחללי שם שמים right on this web site by siding with a non Jew against a Jew without knowing enough detail to make an informed decision.
What happened to דן לכף זכות ????
Suddenly it no longer applies???
Despicable.
And of course the police did not let her file charges.
Welcome to new yuck
Black animals throw bricks at police and get away with it.
They are a protected species here in new York
Unfortunately they are not endangered
Anyone who can defend the shucher needs their head examined. You have the looser mentality.
klugeryid
I respect your opinion, I don’t know the lady, but even if she was completely right (she might be) there is no need to film and interview her what’s there to be gained?
Unfortunately they are not endangered“ that’s the chilul hashem here, He ( hashem) created them they are a bria of G-d.. and that statement shouldn’t be ever put up in the internet for derchei shalom reasons.
Hillary heard that a frum magazine took out her picture from the osama ben ladin picture , ( this was in one of the leaked emails) what we print out and what we tell our kids does go out of our circles.
Ultimately this shows nypd HATE yidden
To kluger yid
May be you should look like the mirror before you start ranting. You weren’t there to see show it all started., So be dan lekf zechus on both parties.
And speaking negatively about goyim wont fix the problem.
Blacks did throw bricks at the cops but how many cops committed suicide in the past 2 years because of certain unzere “askoonnim” ?
Lets call a spade a spade.
Is it ok that the local police dept has to keep the peace between shmira and shomrim?
I have no sympathy for the one dressed in Orthodox clothes. It’s about time people learned to say excuse me.
Hey guys. Stop judging her. How do you know she didn’t say sorry. You didn’t see the whole story. Stop judging her. She had no right to hit her. Maybe she did say sorry but the other lady still kept going and never accepted her apology.
Don’t ever judge anyone until you know the whole story
We’re you there?!! Noooo
So stop judging
I definitely agree with eliesty
U are absolutely right👍🏻
WOW!! look what a crazy world .all the people blaming the jewish women. are the same people who where mad on trumps comment about jews . SELF HATING JEWS !! by the way wen it would happen to you you would talk a little bit different!! live and laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GROW UP NOW!!!
@solo18 nice smear of “Jewish ppl”. That should earn you some nice brownie points as we enter the Yomim Noraim.
Whoever is filming this sounds like some spike spoiled rotten brat. Yes; a terrible chilul hashem. It seems like the violence was only a result of her seemingly purposely egging her on.
As others said – you made a mistake and didn’t say excuse me (yes, that’s a mistake, fool!), say you’re sorry and move on. Not everything has to revolve around your stupid phone. Did you immediately post it to your Instagram account?
Yes we shouldn’t be “defending” the Umos Haolam. True! HOWEVER, from what it “seems” and I don’t know for sure, this video seems like she is trying to get her more enraged and didn’t seem scared at all of this lady after she was hit once ( otherwise she would’ve been screaming for help) but instead keeps on “trying” to get her caught on camera doing something violent and saying something violent. Sorry but this is NOT the way we behave. Yes you could’ve taken a video had you not kept on egging her on. And to make yourself and Am Yisrael look good, you could’ve at least said your sorry on the video! So at least whichever goy sees this, doesn’t have to think that Am Yisroel is arrogant and can’t even say excuse me.
To be Dan L’chaf Zechus, she probably made a mistake and didn’t try to provoke. But this Golus. Very scary lately. Let’s try to be more careful. We need protection from Hashem. We need to do Teshuva.
Ain Peroniyous Boh L’oilam Ela B’shvil Yisroel.
And even if your right, at who’s expense? What’s your gain? If you had gain and your saving Klal Yisroel from these people I could hear it. But you think this video helps? You want to enrage them more? Let’s not be foolish.
Bottom line is not about the woman throwing punches but why she got so upset. The frum woman did something to upset her. Thrre is not a jury in the world that would convict the attacker of assault because bottom line in her eyes the frum woman attacked her daughter. The attacker was using physical abuse while the Frum woman was using verbal abuse. A normal person would of said I’m sorry a d move on and not act like she did nothing wrong. I am not defending the attacker she was wrong however if this is the way a frum lady behaves then she is not frum in my eyes. Shes lucky the woman did not pill out a knife or gun. When someone is upset you font egg them on period.
From what I heard all the frum woman did was lean over the child to get something from an upper shelf. The black woman’s reaction was way over the top!!!! Also from what I heard Target security was not interested in getting involved though it’s clear to see the black woman getting violent. Many posters here are not familiar with this target but those of us who shop here know how unpleasant it is. It’s like you need to apologize for being white and certainly Jewish. They once surrounded my 10 year old and accused him of shoplifting because he stuck his hand in his pocket while holding a cell phone. They didn’t find a parent they just surrounded him and accused him. He was on the second floor of the store and even if he had something in his pocket (which he didn’t) it wouldn’t have been shoplifting until he exited which in that store you can’t until you go downstairs.
Anyway I think all frum Jews should boycott that store until they apologize. Spread it to everyone you know to boycott. See how much Target likes our response to ignoring violence against us
Why is everyone sticking up to the goya??
She was straight up violent to the bas yisroel!
It is very interesting, when scrolling down all the comments, that I keep on seeing words like Trash And Garbage regarding to the woman that has a different color on her face. I wanna ask those people that are writing so “Trashy!!”. do you know that Non Jews on the street view us, exactly the way you talked about that woman who is happens to be black. And when you hear them talking like that, you’ll of course say “Antisemitism”. I mean why in the world do you say such things on them, when you’d be so offended from others talking about you like this. do you think that they have no feelings, and it doesn’t bother them??? They are human. and it bothers them just as much as it would bother you!!! Ma D’luch Sani L’chavruch Loi Savid= Whatever you hate to be done on you, you shouldn’t do to your friend!!
Its disgusting to read the racist comments on a obviously very Jewish website which is accessable by anybody. Im sure YWN is read by Non-Jews and non religious Jews. To put out such bigoted and racist comments is abhorrent. Please YWN moderators these comments need to to be filtered out. Imagine if such vile comments were written about Jews on any news website, we would be sickened and up in arms, they would be investigated, flagged as anti-semites and supremacist s.
To think that frum Jews who are always crying victim of racism could write such racist comments and post them publicly on a Jewish news website is shocking and frankly really dangerous.
Again, please please moderators, remove the racist remarks specifically by Lakewhut and KlugerYid and KoachYah. They are not related to the story and are vile racist hatred in its pure form. We should never be associated with such bigotry. It will come to bite back at us.
Typical entitled behavior that never results in anything good! “Hashem gave me the seichel to take out my camera and video this incident”. Feh!!! And Hashem didn’t her the seichel to back the Fu off and apologize?!!! It’s not her living room! Did she ever think that maybe just maybe her reaching into another’s personal space deserves an apology?!!! Black woman or not! And if role was reversed it wouldn’t peeve her off that another woman stuck her hand over her kid with out saying excuse me! Chodesh Elul!!! Wake the Fu UP People! I would like to see this woman’s Shalom Bayis with her Husband. Does she antagonize him like that Too?! These are the type of women that would rather be Right then have Shalom! Maybe this black woman was sent by Hashem to you and this situation was tailor made for you to send you a message to shape up! It’s Chodesh Elul for Gd Sakes! Wake the Fu UP!
stupid, just ignore the animal and say ‘excuse me’! does it cost money?
This is a sad reminder of where we are holding as a nation in our “Instagram generation”. I remember a time when people used to actually partake in their own lives not just film it. A byproduct of constantly uploading your life story to the internet is the complete hollowing out of our midat tzeniut (and I am specifically not talking about the “dress code”). How is it acceptable for a bas yisroel to raise her voice in public & to actively seek attention (it would be one thing to film the event for evidence and to call on bystanders to ‘protect / defend’ her, it’s not that case when it is immediately uploaded to the “jewish internet”.
This was a truly painful episode and I hope this can serve as a reminder for us as to where our devices are leading us.
Sometimes us Jews have problems with Goyim or even other Hidden. And Hashem hides himself, just like here. Could be to show us that we are wrong and need to change our ways. Or maybe we just used up all our zechuyos being haughty and now we have to pay the price! Sorry but I’m not feeling so empathetic here. Maybe it’s because ive seen and experience d too much hate between us yideen and Goyim. Time to change people it’s Elul! We need to fix ourselves. Myself included!
You should change your heading to “Jewish Woman Harasses/Provokes Black Woman at Target in Flatbush”
Totally disagree klugeryid.
Halocho Eisov Soine es Yakov.
Grew up and move in. She is jealous we are Yidden. She tried her hardest to continue winding up the lady because she had her smartphone on record.
Not justified at all and a massive chilul hashem.
Next time say sorry r keep quiet and walk away!
It’s time to stop allowing these comments to be from “anonymous usernames”. How many of these people would still stand by their vile and racist opinions?
And if we are being honest, it is also time to start putting author names on all articles, for accountability.
1.obviously this woman has an inferiority complex
2.completely normal for her to pull her camera, she did well.
3.shes human and needed to “hit back” with her mind games. It was not necessary but allowed in today’s law.
Lastly reading a few of the comments made me understand how us jews walked straight into the slaughterhouses of aushwitz. Nowhere does hazal instruct us to take a blow and turning the cheek.
lakewhut, What an utter racist you are. You are disgusting and an embarrassment to all Frum people. That goes to all the others who made racist remarks here.
Gold diggen nuggets of wisdom-
The real self hating jews here are more outraged by the public condemnations of an embarressing episode than they are by the episode itself.
This wrong hashkafa repeats itself endlessly: a real wrong is commited by a frum person(abuse, theft, bad manners) that results in harm. Those that “break ranks” and publicly condem the outrage that was commited are ostracized as “self hating”.
Why cant you harness your self rightess indignation and aim it to where it truely belongs?
It’s a fact,most but not all Yiden are obnoxious condescending “religious” men and women. That is is our DNA and that’s just wrong. On the other hand behaving like an animal is also wrong. The difference is, in a civilized society we do not hit people. Now a days the way society is you are just engendering your life by confronting people , you just don’t know who is packing. WALK AWAY.
I cant believe it PEOPKE ARE SAYING THAT SHE’S AT FAULT FOR BEING PROVOCATIVE? ARE YOU PEOPLE INSANE? SOMEONE THREATENS YOU, YOU TAKE A CAMERA TO RECORD, WHICH IS ALWAYS A SMART IDEA, AND SAYS “OH REALLY”? TO DEFEND THEIR BRUISED EGO . THEN SHE IS ATTACKED AND ALL SOME CAN SAY IS “SHE’S A BAAL GAAVA”? A BUNCH OF IGNORAMUS CHASSID SHOTAS WHO DONT KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT ANYTHING! YOU OWE THIS WOMAN AN APOLOGY! IF A WOMAN TREATED YOUR WIFE/SISTER LIKE THAT YOU’DE BE FINE?
YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF SELF HATING COWARDS!!! NO, YOU DONT HAVE TO RESPOND TO PROVOCATION, AND YES THERE ARE SMARTER WAYS TO HANDLE IT. BUT YOU CANT DEMAND TZIDKUS OF OTHERS, YOUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO UPHOLD THE RIGHTS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. THIS JEWISH WOMAN WAS HARRASSED THEN ATTACKED FOR NOTHING. ANYONE WHO BLAMES HER FOR TRYING TO DEFEND HER DIGNITY IS A MONSTER!!!!!
For the record, the black woman here was clearly violent, made terrorist threats(im gonna knock your head off), and was out of line past the point of an arrestable offense.
But as Jews, we have an obligation to make every effort to deescalate a confrontation, especialy one that started over a lapse of basic good manners. That clearly did not happen here, and that must be pointed out for all of us to learn from.
AND JUST TO POINT OUT? SHE DIDNT SAY EXCUSE ME? WHAT FOR? DID SHE HAVE TO? ALL YOU COMMENTERS WHO SAY SHE SHOULD OF JUST SAID IT? MAYBE THE BLACK WOMAN THOUGHT SHE WAS CLOSE AND THE JEWISH WOMAN THOUGHT SHE HAD ROOM? THAT MEANS SHE WAS INCONSIDERATE? HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO’S RIGHT?! I’VE NEVER BEEN MORE DISGUSTED, I CANT BELIEVE IT
Lots of judging going on here in the comments.
They’re both in the wrong, obviously, but to what degree, we will never know.
Goodness gracious for all the sweeping generalizations about black people… seriously, there is more blatant racism in these comments than on a segregated bus in the 1950’s. And then we all cry foul when people say things about Jews.
Look in the mirror, people.
@justme22. i’m going to single you out to defend your statement because you made 2 coherent points, so please dont take it personally.
I have 1 question? who got close to who’s face?
oh and 1 more thing, so being rankled and threatened is something not to take offense about as long as it happens in non-jewish stores?
I don’t think anyone disputes that the perpetrator was wrong in striking the victim. The discussion revolves around the victim’s response – was it appropriate or not.
I do not believe that one who criticizes the victim is considered a self-hating Jew, rather a Jew who believes that we need to set a higher standard for ourselves and not stoop to the level of those around us. What is the basis of this higher standard? The Torah. We live by Daas Torah which tells us that provoking those around us is not appropriate especially when we are in golus.
Do we have the right to self-defense? Absolutely. But to continue provoking someone to get them to do further damage is not what the Torah teaches us. Both the attacker and the victim were wrong in this case.
I cant believe so many Jews are defeatist and take the side of a criminal over a simple Yid.
Before I start it is a no-brainer that a yid should not do what this lady did and she deserves to be condemned. Next time WALK AWAY. Alrighty. Lets get some true experience here. I often shop at Walmart in Howell, NJ. I will see a lady taking something from the shelf herself blocking half the aisle and her cart the other. I will slow to a stop and wait patiently for her to move. Guess what?!?! There has been plenty of time where they got upset and yelled at me for not saying “esscuze me.” They are upset and embittered people. Most have been abused or abused themselves and they are depressed. I walk away and move on. I wont let a low life to the tenth degree ruin my day.
I can tell you positively, that if i would try to smack every “frum” person that didnt say “excuse me”,
i’d have very sore hands. It is very sad that we, as yidden, have lost any form of consideration for others, especially goyim. When I was a child, I was taught that if an older person got on the bus, I had to get up and give him/her my seat, even if the person was not jewish; I was taught to say excuse me; to hold doors open for others, etc. This is called basic mentchlichkeit. Todays kids have no derech eretz. If there is a kiddush in shul, the tables are filled with kids with little room for adults. This is on the parents, who, unfortunately, were not taught properly.
Being that I live in Monsey, and the recent influx of thousands of chasidim, I can only plead with my new neighbors to please be considerate of others, including goyim. Drive like mentchen, take ONE spot in a lot, you don’t have to park sideways.
It is particularly disgusting that this “frum” woman threatens to call the cops on the African American woman, threatening “they’ll find you.” The frum woman clearly knows that the police are particularly brutal to African Americans, so she is using the threat as an instrument of racism and fear.
respoding to all those who got upset at my supposedly racist comment
read what i wrote again
i wrote
black ANIMALS are protected but unfortunately not endangered
since so many here have a combined intelligence of 1 , i will spell it out
if you are a law abiding black citizen, you are reviled and not protected
if you are a white criminal , you are not protected
only if you are a black criminal then you become protected, and unfortunatly not endangered as we all suffer from violent thugs like this garbage in the film clip.
what is racist about that?????
why did she video the altercation?
simple. without the video going , the black lady probably would have beat her bloody.nobody in the store was going to help the yid
so she recorded it and presto! the lowlife was afraid to hit her. cause it would be on video!
i should be “dan the black lady lkaf zechus”? are you sick?
why on earth should i?
is there a mitzvah to be dan everyone that way?
the only thing is that maybe my comment should not have been printed, because maybe all the bigots here who feel that no non jews have intelligence are correct
i apologise for thinking that a non jew can think
i will take the advice of all the pc people here and view them all as dumb
The frum lady said: “this will be in the news”
Clearly she was excited to be able to “create news” and forward it to YWN.
BoysWork; if you would try to smack people in NYC (not jewish) for not saying excuse me you’ll end up looking like a rotating fan. There’s a culture associated with NYC that has nothing to do with being frum or not. True, we should be better than that. All people moving from NYC to elsewhere have to adjust to different norms. In NYC there are too many people to do what in other places is normal courtesy.
For goodness sake, no one is defending the woman for swatting at the Jewish woman’s phone, she over reacted and got physical and that’s wrong. But how can anyone say the Jewish woman is innocent? The Black woman clearly started walking away MULTIPLE times and only came back when the Jewish woman repeatedly yelled and harassed her and accused her of beating her child. The woman leaned over her child, i’m sure she didn’t think she was too close, but the child’s mom clearly did. Why not just smile and say “I’m sorry i didn’t realize how close I was.” Frankly, some of the comments here are disgustingly racist and vile, this was nothing more than 2 people being arrogant and stupid in Target.
Looks like two disturbed woman have met up at a target in flatbush! How exciting!!
This encounter is so weird that I would even think that it was staged either for their YouTube channel or as an advertisement for target , to me it’s just hard to believe that two grown woman went at it in a public place over something so little.What was disturbing to me is that the allegedly frum woman seemed to be right in her zone throughout the spat , she almost seemed to be enjoying it .She seemed very prepared for action with her camera rolling and standing her ground.
This is going to start a new joke :
An African American woman and a Jewish woman walked into a target ……..seriously though whatsupp with all the racists comments ?! These are two disturbed people that decided to escalate something that could have been prevented with a little tact.Regardless of their color
All i can say is this video is on a goish website and just about EVERYONE said the black woman was in the wrong!
no where in the Torah does it say if you get attacked apologize and run, stop blaming the victim.
To klugeryid, what animals are you referring to, and how are they relevant to the 2 human beings in this video? Or do you mean that you an animal, and so they are animals too?
SHAME ON ALL THE LOWLIFES ABOVE WHO BLAMED THE VICTIM!!! I pity your children, you probably blame them when they are wrongfully bullied by others. Disgusting!
I hope she presses charges and sues this violent animal… for hitting her!!!
Mimi , the Jewish lady of the incident, goes into more detail on her instagram story.
She says that when the black lady yelled at her for reaching over her daughter’s head and not saying excuse me, she replied, “Chill! calm down! Take your meds!”
Um… hello?
I don’t know about anyone else, but if an angry black lady yells at me for any reason, my reply is to stammer profuse apologies and get the hell out of there.
Never would I tell her to ‘chill’ and ‘take her meds’.
How are we forgetting that we’re in golus?
We have to be an ohr lagoyim and make a kiddush HaShem.
This was certainly not a kiddush HaShem.
Mimi broke down crying on her instagram story, that she couldn’t believe that the cops didn’t side with her, and she finally realizes that the cops are not on our side. And the only One we can rely on for protection is HaShem. And she says it’s sad that it came to this for her to realize this.
This is the only point I agree with her on. Just a big pity she didnt realize this *before* she escalated the situation.
The high road is always the right road to take. And especially as Yidden we have to be really, really careful.
I hope Mimi learned how to react in the future when such a confrontation occurs, and I hope everyone else who watched this viral video takes these lessons to heart as well.
We are in golus. We have to keep a low profile. The cops are not our friends.
When a stranger rebukes you, even if you’re in the wrong, just say I’m sorry and move on!
You don’t have to be ‘right’ all the time. It’s okay to be wrong.
Ksiva v’chasima tovah to all.
@chareidi “amiti”, If you read what I wrote you will understand, the reason I call them self hating Jews is because had a frum woman repeatedly hit a black woman and threaten to take her head off… because she didn’t say “excuse me”to her 10 year old daughter, I have NO DOUBT in my mind you would side with the black woman! Just because you are self conscious about how you are perceived by others and are automatically embarrassed if any Jew does something to ruin the way you would like to be perceived, doesn’t make them wrong. Stop walking around with a chip on your shoulder, stop feeling guilty for no reason. Had the case been a toss up and could’ve gone either way, you should still side with the Jew because she is your sister! But in this case where it’s clear as day and night who is right and who you is wrong, my only conclusion can be that those who side with the black woman and against the jewish woman are self hating Jews
To all those who say “Don’t judge the Jewish woman”…. obviously if someone records their own behavior and posts it online for all the world to see, they are asking for a judgement. (In fact, when we get to the Bais Din shel Maalah we will see our own lives like on a video, and be judged for it). The irony is that the Jewish woman did this thinking it was only the OTHER woman who would be judged. It’s Elul folks, listen to the cry of the shofar! The mussar here is that it is WE who are being judged. To the extent that we perfect and refine our OWN middos and actions, THEN the tumah of the rest of the world will also “vanish like smoke…”
Gamanit : Sorry for the misunderstanding, but because its a frum web site, my comments were referring to my fellow frum jews. As you said, we should be better than that. By the way, as someone who has worked among goyim for many years, I can tell you that they are much more polite and considerate than many of my new neighbors, who, sadly, don’t give a flying %$#*&%@ about anyone but themselves.
We should not be the one to judge if the women video taping did the right think or not. “Do not judge you one until you stand in his shoes”
The attacker should have been arrested under Battery and Assault charges.
I am pasting the definition of battery and assault under NYC law. Assault is defined as any act in which a person threatens to take violent action against someone else, and intends to do so. Depending on the injury, that would define the degree of assault charge. One does not necessarily have to commit an act of violence to be charged with the offense, however, as they could be charged simply for threatening to inflict bodily harm. The intended target must also have felt that danger was imminent and/or that the aggressor would have harmed them if they were not prohibited from doing so. The crime of battery is the intentional touching of another in an angry manner, or the intentional use of force or violence against another. Grabbing someone’s arm, pushing or punching a person or striking a victim with an object all are crimes of battery. The crime of assault is defined differently from one state to another. In some states, the act of battery is called an “assault” or “assault and battery.” In other states, assault does not involve actual physical contact, and is defined as an attempt to commit a physical attack or as threatening actions that cause a person to feel afraid of impending violence. Under this definition, verbal threats are usually not enough to constitute an assault. Some action such as raising a fist or moving menacingly toward a victim usually is required. In these states, threatening to hurt someone while walking toward him with a clenched, raised fist would constitute assault. (we see clearly in the video, the attacker had the intent of hurting the victim.)
Please everyone, see what is going on in NYC. The NYPD is not on our side. The officer knows the law and told the women she has no charges to file. She needs to get a lawyer and go file charges against this monster of color and the officer for not acting according to the rules of the shield.
With lots of hatzlacha! And we should be zoche for the final redemption now.
AHH THE
molly
the black “lady” who acted like i guess members of your family routinely do
in my circles people who act that way get called for what they are
animals
chash
Thank you for disagreeing in a respectful fashion.
About the comment I made referring to Jewish stores: I was not saying that we should accept harassment anywhere, I was only saying that when we are in a Jewish store it’s our community store we feel like owners and act in a way that makes sense to us ( examples :frum mothers are in a rush attending their many kids , on erev shabbos we can all be in a rush ) but we don’t own our local targets etc and behaviors that might be understood within our frum life culture might not be acceptable out in the world. So I was just saying that the black woman might have felt as if her space was attacked because they are not use to the comfort that we have in our own stores with each other. ( by us a men placing hand on woman shoulder to ask question wouldn’t be acceptable is just different things that might annoy us)
As far as putting camera on face , not literally you are right but filming face feels as if in face.
Last Friday night I eat a meal by someone and a teenager in getting cruttons from in front of me extended his arm over my plate while I was eating ; it was wrong but the teenager never thought he did anything wrong.
I am just not sure about the harassment that might have happened prior to the video been filmed but all I see is harassment caused by the filming.
The other day I was walking in nyc and a black men said to me on street : I’m sorry to tell you but Jesus is the lord and savior and you have to come to him , or something like that. I did not film him and just continued walking as if nothing took place.. I wasn’t in target don’t have the full picture.
We should get targets security footage lol
We are in Galus, please please have pity on us. Even if you are right just say sorry.
I read the comments before I saw the video. Here’s my take:
The Jewish woman wasn’t assaulted. If she had been, she would have been hysterical & in shock; I say this because 2 weeks ago I was attacked with absolutely no provocation by an EDP & trust me, you could hear my screams in Jerusalem. It is terrifying! She had the presence of mind to calmly continue to provoke the mother AND keep videoing? Not possible if she was actually hit, unless Mimi is really Hard-Hearted Hannah.
I had witnesses to my assault – even at 7:00 AM & they voluntarily made statements to the police. Does Mimi expect us to believe nobody saw what happened? Nobody came to her aid because she wasn’t attacked. She would have dropped her phone – I believe she dodged. What’s more, at the end of the video the woman said clearly she INTENDED to knock her head off. My understanding is she never laid a finger on her.
While I think the mother should have realized she was dealing with someone who was deliberately provocative & should have walked away, I understand she was frustrated and was trying to get her point across. It’s useless: Mimi is goading her and clearly spoiling for a fight. Why is anybody’s guess. My sympathies are entirely with the mother, who appears to be a respectable, if insulted, woman. Mimi is obnoxious & singlehandedly created a massive chillul Hashem. If she has any sense she’ll pull her Instagram & FB videos & crawl under a bed to hide. She should be ashamed of her nastiness.
Velamalshinim is great place to daven for all the SELF-HATING-JEWISH-ANTI-SEMITES!
YWN YOUR TITLE TO THIS NEWS PIECE IS FAKE NEWS. THE TITLE READS Jewish Woman Assaulted In Target Department Store In Flatbush!!! IT SEEMS LIKE THE BLACK WOMAN WAS BEING VERBALLY ASSAULTED BY THAT ARROGANT JEWISH WOMAN. UNFORTUNATELY SHE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE IN GALUS AND THE BEST RESPONSE IS TO APOLOGIZE AND MOVE ON. SHE’S PROVOKING THE BLACK WOMAN AND IS TOO ARROGANT TO APOLOGIZE AND AVOID THIS ENTIRE UNNECESSARY INCIDENT. WE HAVE ENOUGH INCIDENTS AND THERES NO NEED TO CREATE MORE.
Wow!
90 posts!
Imagine if this was in the coffee room! It would have 90 pages within 24 hours
THIS IS NOT A RACIAL ISSUE…. THE LADY WAS OBVIOUSLY INSULTED YOU REACHED OVER HER DAUGHTER…. JUST APOLOGIZE DUMBASS AND KEEP IT MOVING.
I like how so many people are saying that it was the the Frum ladys fault because she should have just appologized. I dont think that it says anywhere in the Torah that you have to take abuse, threats and appologize. If you guys want to live on that standard, kol Hakovod. I bet it is probably just easier to ask someone else to live on that standard.. When the Frum lady took out her phone, it was self defence. Notice that in the begining of the video, the other lady needs to be held down and as soon as she takes out her phone, she backs off a little. It looks like the other lady didnt even give her a chance to appologize. She was just like you didnt say excuse me lets fight. Taking out the phone might have been the right move and Baruch Hashem no one got hurt.
From what I see, she was bullied with threats of “I’LL KNOCK YOUR HEAD OFF” while waiving a fist at her and then physically attacked before she “instigated”. I just see it as her standing up to a bully and not acting like a coward.
Another reason not to reach over someone in a store is because as you reach over for tha soda bottle or shampoo bottle can easily fall on that child or adult under your arm. It hsppens all the time Perhaps that possibility ticked off the black lady. We Don’t know what happened prior to the camera . If u are going to say to be dan lekav zechus then both parties should be included not just frum people. No body was there when it started so dont judge.
AND UR REALLY WONDERING Y THERE R SO MANY ANTI SEMETIC ATTACKS???!?! WELL I HOPE UR NOT BC ITS BASICS AS U SEE IN THIS VIDEO THIS LADYS STUPIDITY IS WHAT CAUSES IT MAYBE THAT BLACK LADY WILL GO HOME TELL HER HUSBAND THAT THE JEWS R ****** AND THE NEXT THING U KNOW THE HEADLINES OF YWN WILL BE ” ANTI SEMETIC ATTACKS IN FLATBUSH POLICE LOOKING FOR SUSPECT”( SEE PHOTOS AND WATCH VIDEO IN LINK) WHAT THE HECK IS THAT WHAT U WANT LOWER UR CAMERA AND LOWER UR EGO AND HAUGHTINESS AND SAY IM SORRY TO THE LADY WHO OBV. GOT EXTREMELY INSULTED THAT THE JLADY DIDNT SAY EXCUSE ME AND MOVE ON IN LIFE HOW IS MAKING A HUGE CHILLUL HASHEM GOING TO HELP OTHER THAN TO GET US KILLED IN THE END WHAT THE JLADY DID WAS WRONG AND SHE SHOULD BE ASHAMED AND A VID LIKE THIS SHOULD NOT BE GOING AROUND ITS EMBARRESING!?!?!😤😤😤😥😢😭
After watching the videos twice Its a simple case of two people losing their temper and they are both wrong. The African American lady is wrong for getting physical and the frum lady for egging her on. The African American lady tried to leave multiple times but she was consistently provoked all the way to the last minute when she was asked if she was going to walk away. Obviously nothing justifies violence but ultimately anger is expressed differently by different cultures and anger was displayed by both sides. Nothing anti-Semitic here. This video should be taken down it is an embarrassment that this is news.
Rabbi Avigdor Miller z”l told over an incident that did not end so nicely as this story, Hashem Yerachem. As I remember, the yeshiva boy’s car was knocked, maybe unintentionally, by a car of goyish boys. The yeshiva boy got out and started yelling at the goyim. They, in turn, got out of their car and reaching into the trunk, took out knives. They attacked the bochur and killed him. Rav Miller always said it is such a sad story. If this bochur had controlled his middos and drove away, he would be alive today. Not to mention, these criminals got off with a slap on the wrist. A life wasted.
I NEED at least until Pesach to finish reading all the comments!
Man, this video makes me what to slap whoever is holding the phone.
So cringy.
Wow this is horrible. To follow someone around, gaslighting and antagonizing them. This women and her child did not deserve that. The women recording should have excused herself (common curtesy) but instead made a fool out of herself while playing the victim. I would have been upset too. That evil women was a bully, no morals at all. Just disgusting.
Wow. The antagonizing women was definitely wrong. How about manners, common curtesy says to excuse yourself in a situation such as these one. Instead, she decided gaslight the situation. Talk about bully with no morals. She should be a shame of herself, poor women and her child, neither of them deserved this.
I don’t understand why people here are saying the frum woman should’ve said sorry. You don’t know how far she was from the kid when she took the item off the shelf. Maybe she was too close only according to the mother. Nobody can judge and say she should’ve said sorry if they didn’t see what happened.
If the Jewish woman felt threatened she had every right to film the altercation. However, the Jewish woman is clearly goading the black lady into being violent. The black lady walked away a few times and the frum lady kept on reeling her back into the fight.
So yes, the black lady was violent and engaged in criminal behavior. But the frum woman was guilty of verbal abuse even AFTER the black woman had already turned away. It was irresponsible behavior from both women however we expect more maturity from a bas melech.
Perhaps she wasn’t a frum woman?
ha ha nice going lady
Jews are racists. This is precisely why no one cares when you get shot in your temples. The rhetoric that you jews engage in is no better than the antisemitism you are ALWAYS complaining about from others. Jews get no more sympathy from me. You people are on your own. I can’t believe that you of all people could stoop this low. You are an embarrassment and I’m upset that I ever even considered caring about your plight in this country. You deserve whatever happens to you. Good luck. You are going to need it.
Jews are racists. This is precisely why no one cares when you get attacked. The rhetoric that you jews engage in is no better than the antisemitism you are ALWAYS complaining about from others. Jews get no more sympathy from me. You people are on your own. I can’t believe that you of all people could stoop this low. You are an embarrassment and I’m upset that I ever even considered caring about your plight in this country. You deserve whatever happens to you. Good luck.
classic jewish woman
You shoulda’ said x’cuse mi.