My dear Sisters and Brothers.
In the Mincha Shemonei Esrei of Shabbos we proudly proclaim;
“Ato Echod V’Shimcho Echod” You (Hashem) are one and your name is one, “U’Mee K’amcho Yisroel Goy Echod” and who is like your (Hashems) nation, a united people.
I am taking the liberty to write to you, because what we saw today is not only an important part of history, but also proof of who we truly are, a “Goy Echad” a United people, we are all connected, we are all truly one, as Rav SM Rubashkin shlita proclaimed together with hundreds or perhaps thousands of Women, Men, teens and children “Shema Yisroel, Hashem Elokeinu, Hashem Echod”.
Have any of you heard the name “Mark Denny”?
I’m sure most of you have not, let me introduce him, he is a 46 year old African American man who has been in a NYState prison for the last 30 years, yes THIRTY years, falsely accused of horrific crimes that he supposedly didn’t do.
Where am I going with this you may ask? So here goes, today Wednesday, 20 December (just a few hours prior to Rubashkin’s release) a Judge in downtown Brooklyn’s Supreme Court, dismissed his case, and he walked out of the Courthouse, a free man.
Who was there to greet him? Who danced in the streets? How many people were there? Let me tell you, not even a handful, his mom was there, his attorney and perhaps one or two more family members.
Just a few hours later, as Rubashkin was being released in a small town in upstate NY, there were people that never met him from Bloomingburg, to greet him and sing, and as soon as Jews heard the good news, Yidden of all ages, in all Jewish communities, all over the Globe from the US east to west coast, from Europe to Israel and anywhere in between, from Chasidish to Litvish, to Modern Orthodox, all took to the streets and to Shuls to dance and to thank Hashem for this great miracle and to partake in this great Simcha of a man they never met, and perhaps never will meet, a great number of people aren’t even intimately familiar with the “Rubashkin” case, yet, K’ish Echod – B’lev Echod, like one person, like one heart, we cried tears of joy, we sang and danced. Why? Because Klal Yisroel, each and every Jew is interconnected and part of this great puzzle, this great Mosaic called “Am Yisrael” , we truly showed that we are the “Goy Echod”
Let us take this Achdus and Simcha to heart, and let this feeling towards you fellow Yid, carry forward and stay with us, until the true “Echod” will in this merit send Moshiach to take us the “Goy Echod” with song and dance, B’Halel V’hodoyu L’hashem Echod, as am Am Echod, into our Homeland Eretz-Yisroel speedily. Amen.
With blessings, Mi K’amcho Yisroel.
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You could have made your main point – that the Jewish people are a special nation – without even mentioning Mark Denny, who, by the way, had a decent number of people who greeted him after he was exonerated. Also, I love how you decided you know better than a bunch of attorneys and judges who spent months immersed in the minutia of this case to add your own commentary that Denny “supposedly didn’t do” the crimes he was obviously falsely convicted for (FYI Rubashkin actually DID do the crime for which he was unjustly penalized…). But I guess, as you completely unnecessarily point out, if he’s indeed African-American, he must have actually committed the crime! Your point and letter were really diluted by your gross personal commentary.
We should not focus on, how much better we are than our fellow human beings. Question, how many Heimishe Yidden who greeted Sholom Mordechai without ever knowing him, went out to greet Mark Denny.
This might not feel so good, but the fact is, that we must show HKB”H that we are not a selfish people, we have empathy for every decent Human Being.
Well said and SO TRUE!
The above reminds of the ‘Vort’ Rav Meir Shapiro ZTL advised to be said at the famous Mendel Beilis Blood Libel case, when asked what the meaning of the Talmudic passage of ‘Adam’ “Atam Krium Adam – V’lo Aku”m (How dare the Talmud claim the Jewish people are called adam, while the idol worshippers are not called adam!?)
He replied that the meaning of ‘Adam’ is as in ‘one’ body – that if one Jew feels pain ALL Jews feel the pain, whereas, by the goyim each is on his own (as was the case then on the minds of each and every Jew!)
The same can obviously be applied in our case.
I dont know either of the 2 people released from jail but to knock one person and use him as a spring board for your own alterrior motives is just simply out right disgusting and a major chillul hashem. Shame on who ever wrote this article.
I am very happy that rubashkin was released!
As to the other individual that was released should also be a cause for joy.
He basically sat in jail for 30! Years for a crime that he did not commit.
And if you think he is the only one that sat for crime he didn’t commit he isn’t.
The sad fact is that because he is a minority no one cared and there are many more innocent people incarcerated.
Btw that is why I am against the death penalty.
And yes I know the תורה הקדושה does have the death penalty.
Jersey Girl and Ader:
You both missed the point. This has zero to do with racial differences as far as criminals or alleged criminals. This is a statement of great contrast between communities, and the relationship that our respective populations have with a single individual who is in trouble.
Assuming that Mark Denny was completely innocent, which i can easily believe, I say the same for Rubashkin. His sentence was not based on the crime or its magnitude, but on a severely biased and corrupt judge and system. And while he was freed from prison, he was not exonerated, or absolved of responsibility. The bulk of Rubashkin’s sentence is not for a crime but for an innocent man. In that sense, there is great parallel between the cases themselves. This allows for the contrast between how the communities received the news and how they reacted.
The author is perfectly on target with noting מי כעמך ישראל. If you don’t like that, you should engage in some serious self-examination to see where your emotion and saichel lie.
Jerseygirl, What he is trying to say is how tightly knit the Jewish community is no matter where in the world. He is not going out of his way to say anything negative about the other gentleman. If you would stop trolling then you may realize this. Try posting positively in the future or not posting at all. I would also like to add that Mr. Denny DID have many new cameras waiting for him and I did not see that for Mr. Rubashkin.
This article is absolutely disgusting. It demonstrates the grievous spiritual arrogance that has infected the Torah world.
The headline should be – Who is like you K’lal Yisrael? Who is so spiritually arrogant that it seeks every opportunity to claim they are superior to everybody else?
This poor man Mark Denny was INNOCENT and falsely imprisoned for 30 years. Apparently, he suffered this with amazing fortitude and came out with earnest gratitude. What Jew is like THIS MAN!
None – because we are privileged with access to capital that allows us to hire lawyers who can prevent this type of tragedy.
You all at Yeshiva World should be ashamed of yourselves for denigrating Mr. Denny as you did.
Well said!
To add: Rubashkin’s harsh sentence was ONLY because he was a Yid. That is why every single Yid felt that “a part of us” was also “sitting in jail” and we are still in Galus.
So when he was released it is a Simcha of every single one of us. That is why we all rejoiced and sang and danced, no matter who we are and where we daven.
Article is disgusting.
Klal Yisrael: You claim that Rubashkin harsh sentence was “only” because he was a yid. How do you know that? Why do you carelessly thow around such accusations? Jews are not the only ones who have issues with sentencing.
Its time to put a stop to the yid vs goy thing (keep in mind Trump, Pelosi and Hatch are all goyim) and to seriously engage with citizens of our great country for meanigful reform of the justice system.
Justinlubin18,
Wow, just wow! Your words are truly harsh and require asking mechila from klal yisroel . I would question if you’re a Jew to speak of your fellow Yidden like that. Shame on YOU.
So what would be a proper sentence for someone (other than a Yid) convicted of 86 counts of financial fraud: bank fraud; mail fraud; wire fraud; money laundering?
Jerseygirl,
I believe you are right – the comparison was not done in good taste, particularly the “supposedly” word, which does not belong there. I am sure Mark Denny is 100% of the crime he had been charged for, as are unfortunately many that are still sitting in prison based on very poor evidence from decades ago when technology was nowhere near what it is today to prove, or disprove a crime.
That being said; I think you missed the main point. Mr. Denny had at most a handful of people on hand to greet him, take a look online yourself. R’ Shalom Rubashkin had THOUSANDS of yidden- of all stripes and colors – all dancing with sheer joy that a fellow Jew has come home to his family and to his people. If you can’t see the absolutely amazing beauty of seeing thousands of Satmar, Bobov, Stolin and countless other chassidim jumping from joy when a Lubavitcher chossid, who most have no connection to whatsoever, other than that he is a YID, a fellow Jew – if you don’t see the beauty in that, I don’t have anything to say to you. Some people just always see the negative. Last night was a night that any Jew with a heart should have been dancing from joy or crying tears of joy. Hashem is surely proud of his amazing nation – truly Mi Ke’Amcha Yisroel, Goy ECHAD B’Aretz.
Nice sentiment but ridiculous, there wasn’t any mass greeting and dancing when Pollard was released.
Justin you said it well.
I for one am incredibly inspired and uplifted to see how many responding to the arrogance and pride oozing from this letter. I totally agree that while we don’t need to deny this man the relief of his release there is no logic in saying “look how great klal Yisrael is by comparison”. stupid letter but product of our chinuch system no doubt, a system that is devoid of skills how to accept and build and help people grow and instead looks to diminish and lower so we can feel superior. Not sure why the comparison was needed at all.
I sure hope G-D doesn’t judge people the way people judge others. Sad when one sees how many self hating Jews we have in the FRUM community. Some people truly seem almost upset that he was released. Sad.
I find it disrespectful to the rest of the world and a major chillul hashem that we are treating Mr R’s release from prison for a crime he did commit as a heros welcome. He is a Criminal. I dont get it. He should do vidui and bench gomel and ask mechila from the many people he hurt along the way.
The heros are people who run the services of the innocent project that free wrongfully convicted individuals.
Ask yourself this: if Mr R was not jewish, was not white, was not from NY, would you even care?
This letter encapsulates warped thinking, and its writer displays many warped attitudes that have led many away from Judaism.
jersey girl
how come reform, conservative, humanists etc etc etc ‘jews’ were not dancing etc etc?
prooves our point all over ‘3 midos yes beumah zee’ yevomos 77a (?)and them not………. so….
just in ludlin
you no reading comprihention ‘atem keruin adam vein …’
refer to what reb meir shpiro explained this sentence ,you wouldnt make comment
cherrybim
as usual, cherrybim and co always on other side of ehrlicher yidden
chareidi amiti
nobody does G-D favor by keeping his torah ‘lo ish kail’
this is not a social club
Uncle Mo, It is what it is. Obviously, I was referring to the headline of this article.
But it is true that Jews often demonstrate extreme spiritual arrogance. Disagree? Then think about it next year when you are sitting on the ground on Tish b’ Av.
If we are not honest about ourselves, we’ll never get out of exile.
Justin:
I find your few comments on this thread completely offensive, and totally unbecoming of a frum yid. These comments actually reflect personal arrogance that dwarfs much else.
The article did NOT denigrate Mark Denny, and your accusations to that flavor are completely baseless, perhaps even malicious. The focus of this article was the reaction of the respective communities. No, it’s not about Jews having money for hot shot lawyers who could work things behind the scenes. Denny was wrongly punished because the technology that would prove his innocence did not exist. yes, the judicial system makes mistakes. Rubashkin was guilty, but his sentence matched nothing in any precedent. There was ample evidence that this judge was biased, conducted the case from behind the scenes before arrests were made, and actually carried out a severe anti-semitic mission in her massive travesty of justice. Note that Trump did not pardon Rubashkin. It was not about expunging his record. It was about getting him out of the jail where he did not belong for such ridiculous terms of the sentence.
It is not the slightest about arrogance. It is about Yidden caring for each other, which exists far more than the members of other communities. What is wrong in pointing out מעלות ישראל? Our tefilos do that constantly. Open your Siddur or Machzor for a taste of that. I feel terrible for you if you are blind to that.
Let me present you with a challenge. Can you define any of the following:
מי כעמך ישראל גוי אחד בארץ
חייב אדם לומר בשבילי נברא העולם
אשרנו מה טוב חלקנו ומה נעין גורלנו ומה יפה ירשתינו
ישראל אשר בך אתפאר
מה טובו אהליך יעקב משכנותיך ישראל
אף על פי שחטא ישראל הוא
Just a sample.
Groisechuchum:
Your wisecracks are not too bright either. I am rather quick to point out flaws to our chinuch system, but this does not qualify at all. The article is about pride, not arrogance. You must not be chuchum enough to know the difference.
how this became a cause cé·lè·bre is beyond me. but anyway the man, the bells and whistles, the vodka – is all irrelevant. what is most disturbing to me is that people think that because there weren’t celebrations in another community, and there was celebrations in our community – it highlights our specialness. Again, forget this whole parsha. who didn’t have a rebbe say that we shouldn’t act like the shkatzim in goss? and if you don’t? it makes you an oved hashem? why? because no one else does it? you didn’t see 128 countries today show solidarity with the Palestinian cause? do we say that’s achdus? certainly seems like a strong parallel that our identifying with R pales in comparison (yes, I know its for the wrong reason – and we’re celebrating for the right reasons??)
Justinlubin18,
I consider it spiritual pride, not arrogance. I think we ought to be proud of who we are. The Torah tells us we are the chosen nation, not yeshivaworld.
We will get out of exile when Hashem wants us to-when we are honest to G-D, not honest to ourselves. I am 100% certain more scenes like we saw last night hasten our redemption.
That being said; I will repeat- I agree some wording in this letter was in poor taste.
The Little I Know:
I have spent some time engaging in serious self-examination to see where my emotion and saichel lie, and I am happy to report I have arrived at the same conclusion I reached when I initially typed a knee-jerk, angry reaction to this very misguided attempt at a feel-good letter about how the superiority of Am Yisrael.
I talked to some of my best friends, who are African-American by the way, and they agree that the word “supposedly” and the words “African-American” really went a long way toward convincing us that this author is not so much a Jew who is impressed with his brothers and sisters as much as he is a Jew who saw an opportunity to proclaim how much better his brothers and sisters are than other people. That’s just gross and self-congratulatory. There’s no need for a contrast between cases here; his point that Jews care deeply for each other could have been made, and made well, without bringing anyone else into the mix.
I have also spoken to some men who are smarterer and beterrer than me, and I STILL cannot shake this one single conclusion at which I have arrived. But thank you again for reminding me to double-check my opinions, especially as my lady emotions always get in the way of rational thought.
justin, the big moitze maven why we are in exile
we are in exile because of justin and friends reform, conservatie etc who deny the torah misini etc etcand bring uon klall yisroel things like the chubin
uncle Mo
they are not frum jews. if you follow thier posts all over ,cherrybim, jersey, gadol hador etc etc they always hock and hate bnei torah. they are OO and down…
groisechuchem
ypur stupidity is unbelievable…you call the UN vote achdus?!!! its achdus against the yid not for ‘palistinians
your hate for ehrlicher yidden shins like the rest (jersey,cherry etc etc’
jersey girl
‘i have talked with my african american friends…’
nothing wrong with that,but we see where your ‘dass’ torah’ comes from
jersey girl
its not your ladies emotions its your assimilated way of thinking. you can double, triple your thinking its still the same leopards ‘spots
Shimen, ehrlicher yidden do not commit crimes.
So what would be a proper sentence for someone (other than a Yid) convicted of 86 counts of financial fraud: bank fraud; mail fraud; wire fraud; money laundering? Anyone?
cherrybim
ur running off the subject, the article is not about guilt…but you’d love to see him rot in jail 27 years.
its your friend that spews her hate for shomrei torah….
cherrybim
‘ehrlicher yidden dont commit crimes…’
who said so and where does it come into the dicussion
as matter fact the talmud states ‘rov ganvei yisroel’ ‘gazel vearoious nufsho shel adam….’
but the problem with cherrybim & friends (jersey, gadolhador,lakewood etyc etc) is your always prooving the saying ‘gedole sinas am huretz ltalmis chachim yoser misinas akum leyisroel’ ‘
by the way everybody, es is nit kain dimyon whatsoever….Hurav Rubashkin was a high profile case, a big baal tzedakah, talmud chachen, chosevah mishpach etc etc…and the teiera askanim worked tirelessly for him. it was on the yiddish bnei torah news day in and day out 8 years without interruption…so we had this reaction, as opposed to the mark denny case . so no reiah here…but there are plenty other subjects that support ..
But, oi vey, please dont accuse me of disaggreing with the moral of the story as per Hagoen hatzddik meyer shapira see one of the posts
Could one of rubashkins supporters explain to me why you think that it is ratzon Hashem to publicly rejoice the early release of a man who has caused such a public chillul Hashem?
How does this reflect on orthodox Jews that we are proud of and stand with convicted thieves?
All i hear are shimens boich svaras burped up with last nights mishmar cholent. Is there anyone honest and self respecting out there who can give a good intelligent answer?
Jerseygirl,
It wasn’t bad enough when you took an amazingly inspiring situation and created this thread? You then went to your “best friends”- the African American ones that is to request clarification on the matter?! You are clearly looking to cause issues. A normal frum yid does not do such things. You have caused a TREMENDOUS chilul hashem. And mind you – it doesn’t take much to irk your African American “best friends”. If you merely look at them one second too long, they’re pouncing on you. This is a fact but I know you’ll jump all over me calling me a racist etc etc. Sad to see people that simply can’t stand seeing a frum man go home to his wife, to his special needs child, to his other 9 children.
Cherrybim,
Another smart one.
I don’t know the answer to your brilliant question. Why don’t you ask one of the 100 former judges, AG’s or politicians that question.
You may also want to look into the sentences and subsequent commutations or the like for the CEO’s of Enron, Tyco or Worldcom. You may then understand part of the injustice served to R’ Shalom Rubashkin but my guess is you’ll still keep going because it hurts you to see your brother come home. Shame on you and your ilk.
chareidi (sh)amiti
oy vey the truth hurts, but dont make it so obvious
chareidi (sh)amiti dec 21 6:47 pm
its the well done franks, duck sauce, mustard
and ketcup not the cholent
Jersey Girl, I too was uncomfortable with the tone of the article, and I am a skeptic of the Judicial system. Neverthless, Mr. Denny is released because of insufficient proof and a judicial mis-step in the ID process. Therefor he is “presumed” innocent, that is the protection afforded to him. By the way, he is not an American citizen- but it is a human right to be presumed innocent, and that was taken away form him. Now he is once again “presumed” innocent. That is the justification on the word “supposedly”. The general message of this article is not arrogant but it was famously made in a court of law as the whole world watched the Dreyfus affair. Read, people. READ.
And FYI; Mr. Denny was not quite the innocent kid you make him out to be. Likely not the one who committed the actual crime but hey, he was arrested for gun charges a few weeks before and was in the car with 2 or 3 of the others involved in the crime. You sleep with the dogs, you wake up with fleas, and in his case – in jail.
That said; from the countless overturned cases in recent years – from DECADES ago – it is apparent that there were huge errors made in previous cases and in many cases cost people the productive years of their lives. All this doesn’t diminish my simcha for Shalom’s release one iota. Your sickly comments truly sadden me though.
The little I know
מי כעמך ישראל גוי אחד בארץ – Nobody is like us in our mission to spread G-d’s light and love in the world. We are supposed to be world leaders in this regard, and supposed to inspire the gentiles. Showing that “we are better than them”, especially in an unintelligent apples-to-oranges compare, hardly illuminates the world
חייב אדם לומר בשבילי נברא העולם – This verse is meant to ensure that we have gratitude. It hardly means G-d loves us more than gentiles.
אשרנו מה טוב חלקנו ומה נעין גורלנו ומה יפה ירשתינו – Being Jewish is an amazing opportunity to spread G-d’s light and love in the world. We should be humbled from having such an opportunity to represent the higher-Jerusalem in this world. Clearly, the Torah is the source of all good values in this world. After all, if not for a Jewish Rabbi, what would the gentiles know about G-d’s light and love.
ישראל אשר בך אתפאר – When Jewish people act exceptionally in the world – by the way we treat each other AND the gentiles, G-d is glorified. However, today, the gentiles do not associate us with G-d. Conversely, when we write stupid, arrogant articles like this, it does the opposite.
מה טובו אהליך יעקב משכנותיך ישראל – Obviously, this applies to Jews when they are doing what they are supposed to do. Loving each other like themselves, and making G-d beloved in the eyes of the gentiles. Hardly accomplished by this article which did not have to use the dumb apples-to-oranges comparison to make a point. Also, given that we are still in galus – caused by baseless hatred – we are obviously failing in our mission.
אף על פי שחטא ישראל הוא – Correct. The author of this article is still a Jew.
Did I pass ur test? Come on man! Give me a break.
Well, I’ll give educate you: JUST BECAUSE THE JEWS WERE CHOSEN BY GOD DOES NOT MAKE US BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE. IT JUST MEANS WE HAVE A SPECIAL MISSION AND OPPORTUNITY TO BRING LIGHT AND LOVE TO THE WORLD. JUST BECAUSE WE ARE THE “FIRST BORN” DOES NOT MEAN HASHEM LOVES US MORE THAN HIS OTHER CHILDREN. HE JUST EXPECTS MORE FROM US – TO LEAD – NOT TO CONSTANTLY COMPARE OURSELVES TO OUR GENTILE BROTHERS IN ORDER TO SHOW HOW GREAT WE ARE.
Goyim are pruste and low. Of course Klal Yisroel is many many times better than them.
“We should not focus on, how much better we are than our fellow human beings. . .”
Should we stop saying the berachah “asher bachar banu m’kol ha’amim?” Or should we perhaps amend the Yom Tov amidah where we read “Atah b’chartanu m’kol ha’amim, Ahavta osanu, v’ratzisa banu?”
knowing the Rubashkin family personally, SMR could have only been singled out for such a fate to bring him and klal Yisrael to tremendous heights, the beginning of which we are starting to see. Chabad.org has added the date of his freedom to our list of special days in Chabad so it’s not just me.
when the laws of the government are corrupt, and therefore are broken, it is not a problem. There are countless stories like this from the alte heim. In SMRs case, he was unfairly brought to the brink of bankruptcy by an unscrupulous judge and federal agents. He had a community to uphold not to mention a family to support.
So the fact he told the banks he had more money than he did just to keep the regular loans open is completely justified.
The bank only lost money because the same federal agents caused his plant to be sold for a fraction of the price.
If anyone is to pay anything, it should be the corrupt judge and her cohorts in the prosecution.
Sick and tired of these crazy comments.
“It demonstrates the grievous spiritual arrogance that has infected the Torah world. . .”
And I suppose so does the statement coined by the Anshei Kenesses Ha’Gedolah – 120 z’keinim u’meihem kamah nivi’im – that bachar banu m’kol ha’amim, and Atah b’chartanu m’kol ha’amim.
Gedolim have said our last nisayon before the coming of Moshiach will be in Atah b’chartanu.
It would seem you may be losing the battle. You will, however be declared the victor in the war!
“This letter encapsulates warped thinking, and its writer displays many warped attitudes that have led many away from Judaism. . .”
Actually, the exact opposite is true. It is not being cognizant of the fact that we are indeed the am ha’nivchar, HaShem’s bonim, and a mamleches kohanim and goy kadosh, that is at least part of the cause of the issue you mention.
“you didn’t see 128 countries today show solidarity with the Palestinian cause? do we say that’s achdus? . . ”
The 128 – 9 vote was leiv echad K’ish echad, while last night’s celebration was Ish echad, b’leiv echad. The difference is ohr and chosech, kodesh and chol, and Yisroel and amim.
“to publicly rejoice the early release of a man who has caused such a public chillul Hashem?”
Chillul HaShem? Are you serious?
A bunch of “undocumented immigrants” with SSN’s and cards woth fake ID, something which does not have to be verified, get hired, the company gets raided. . . Where’s the chillul HaShem?
A judge prohibits relatives from bailing Agri Processing out of debt, forcing the company to accept an offer for a fraction of its real worth, forcing him to find sources of income (bank loan) . . . Where’s the chillul HaShem?
Hundreds of government officials, elected officials, former and current district attorneys offices, let alone the hundreds, perhaps thousands of community officials and lay-persons who supported him throughout. . . Where’s the chillul HaShem?
justinlubin 18 – Excellent! Beautiful points and very well said. The “bni bochri yisrael” idea is actually found in the works of Rav Hirsch.
It true that we are Am Echod and concerned about our brothers and sisters, but SMR cannot be compared to Denny as SMR is GUILTY of various crimes and Denny is totally innocent. We should be happy that SMR has been released after almost 9 years which is totally sufficient for his crimes in my opinion and the 50 members of Congress etc, but we should be ashamed that he is a convicted and jailed criminal.
When Jews utterly fail to live up to what Hashem demands of us , and then publicly embrace this abandonment of the obligation to be an am hanivchar, that is nothing to be proud of.
Shauli, you can pat yourself on the back and smugly elavate your chin while 95% of Jews move further away from Torah, and the remaining 5% delude themselves into thinking that they are the Dor Deah.
justinlublin.
where did you take this drushe shel dofee, king james bible? local
reform clergy.
Jersey girl, you could not have made your point any clearer. Thank you.
Its just a shame how shimen and others eith thier convolted way of thinkinh try to convince everyone that this article was written in good taste.
At first I thought this was going to be a thoughtful article about how it’s unfair that a guy can spend 30 years in jail for no reason, and another guy who was extremely guilty can get his sentence cut and be treated as a hero and martyr.
Nope. Apparently the author thinks it’s a good thing for one man to have his life ruined for no reason, and another man be treated as a king for being a horrible human being.
chareidi (Sh)amit 12/22 3:22 am
‘utterly fail to live uo to hashem
you soine yisroel you shyg…you your friends , jersey,takes2tango etc who chucked the torah
as u say your from the 95%…
shomrei torah were always in the minoriyi of minority.in mitzrayim 80% were like you
and they died in the” blacknesss..’
when the goel tzedek comes chareidi (Sh)miti and co. will stay like in mizrayim see meforshim
jersey, chareidi shamiti, takes2tango etc etc
you still didnt answer us how come your friends, reform,conservative,OO, humanist etc etc didnt dance and rejoyce (how come they dont have ‘hatzoloh,chveirim, gemachs bikur cholim organizations (like we do, who utterly failed hashem),huh?
to new member of the haskalah movement(destryers of torah and bringing charin af on klall yiroel), nevill chamberlin
your hate for ehrlicher shomrei torah is more obvious than your friends (jersey & Co).
in what way is Rav Rubashkin ‘HORRIBLE’ and as pointed ou,t uncleMo 12/21 3:41 pm, the other one is not so innocent
ader 12/21 10:09 am
did you go out to greet dennice? why on earth should we go out to greet denice.we have nothing with him .
of course we dont hate a fellow human being a fellow citizen. Your sine for yidden is so great (see post )as always you and Co. Chareidi’shaker’ etc) melamed zechus on imos huoilem, mocking any subject that deals with shulchen urech , kedushas am yisroel( separate seating bus , requesting , not demanding, levush tzenious in certain neighborhoods. its not a non jew who makes issue, they dont mind ..its the rishey am yisroel who are the troublemakers .WOW , katen hador, yonesony, jersey, charedi shaker etc etc
I totally agree with the article. It really shows ahavas Yisroel, that each of us cares about our fellow Jews. I also think the commenters denigrating this article are being ridiculous SWJ’s who will deny the very obvious reality.
HOWEVER, it is uncomfortable to see the public welcome by the Jewish community of a person who commited acts against the law. I am absolutely thrilled that Mordechai Rubashkin is free. He did not deserve such a long sentence, it was done purely out of anti-Semitism. In addition, the judge who interfered with the sale of the company should be sued. But it is not a good message sent by the Jewish community to celebrate the release of someone whi did commit illegalities.
This reminds me of the time at the churban when Beitar was spared. As soon as the Jews celebrated, their enemies became angry and slaughtered them all. We need to remember that we are in golus and should act accordingly.
chaim of flatbush 12/2110:41 am
we see , the riboni shel oilom if for capital punishment,
but CHAIM OF FLATBUSH understands better than G-D
and is against it…how about the rest of taryag where you can use the same lodgic
like the riboni shel oilom says dont smoke a cigarett shabbos but CHAIM OF FLATBUSH says why shouldnt i enjoy a smoke lkovod shabbos? the same lodgic the animal uses see Rashi ‘leman uniach shorcha vchmorcha..)
now raboisay,,(,I’m refering to the shomrei torah , joseph, chabadshluach etc) see with who we are dealing with on this shomer torah site. we dont go to humanistic judaism site ,why they come hera with tier
apikorses?
Shimen. Stop drinking the rubashkin cool-aid and get some psychological help before your doctors and rabbanim render you a vegetable for life.
…by the way as pointed out (shimen 12/21 5:53 PM )
this whole letter , and comparison is null and void,what did it accomplish is,
it just braught out worms from the woodwork, jersey, katen hador & Co,
who as usual show thier sina to ehrlicher yidden , lekayem mah shenaymar ‘gedoah sinas …..ltalmud chachem yoser misinas akum ltisroel…
takes 2 2tango 12/22 12:26 PM
yes, i dont blame you,.you cant come up with intelligent retort
so you switch to my kool-aid. Nisht farginner.
Shimen: Rav Moshe in Iggros Moshe CM 2:68 writes that the Torah is opposed to the death penalty. Your grasp of Torah is not better than that of Rav Moshe’s. Apparently Chaim of Flatbush does have a better undestanding of rotzon Hashem with regard to the application of the death penalty in secular courts.
to justinlublin 12/21 8:58 PM
as you say ‘the little i know’
to destroy the passage with such am huratzes
to comment in these passages what is totally not in mashmuous
no raymez whats so ever in the posik
your pronlem is this ‘tikun huoilom’ thing like your clergy lerner friend in calif
desecrate all torah but be busy with ‘tikun oilom’ whatever that means
Shimen: You love all Jews – were you dancing in the streets when President Obama got Allan Gross out of Cuba? Unless you were, please stop kvetching that secular Jews werent dancing for Rubashkin.
crayzykanoiy 12/221 29pm
whats your point? who said i was dancing for rubashkin?
where in my posts does it mention i love all jews(or hate
even the talmud says so psochim, perk arvei psochim for desecraters)
were you dancing for gross,…? who mentioned non beliving jews?
its the non believing jews who come on a torah site and spew hate
for ehrlicher yidden
where were we kvetching why oivrei torah were not dancing
we were pointing out they dont have the middos mentioned in
yevomos 77a what a yid supposed to have which prooves…see post beginning0
crazykanoi 1:29 pm
well the torah writes and its all over the talmud each an every which is the death penalty..unbelievable…
i wont even bother to look up…by the way reb moshe in all pesokim ‘conservative, reform clergy are reshoim, thier chupaahh keddushin, divorce proceedures are null and void as they dont believ in torah min hashomayim'(if your such a gaon on igros moshe you probably know where) …this you and co wont menton, huh?
yes, the talmud says that it was very hard to convict someone and also mention bes din that carried out capital punishment 1nce in 70 years is …but you have nerve to just to
fib all the chayve mises ….
Anything yeshiva world posts online is technically the same as putting a billboard time square,In the sense they both get seen by the world at large.Just like it would be ill mannered and stupid to place this on a billboard so to is it to post it on yeshiva world . Having said that the various commentators who are so vocal in their condemnation would do well to remind themselves that “arrogance ” is not a peculiarly Jewish problem but is present in every culture . However since it is (rightfully) considered impolite it is usually kept concealed. Has jersey girl considered that her African american friends may have some choice words for her culture when she is not listening? justinlubin18 Have you entertained the possibility (fact )that Gentiles speak in a degrading manner of Jews for unjustified reasons behind their backs?
crayzykanoi 12/22 1:29 PM
either your dishonest….or no reading comprehention
read again your friend chaim of fladbush ‘i am against death penaly…yes, i know the torah
hakdoshe is for it’
to justinlublin 12/21 8:58 PM
‘ yisroel af al pi shechata yisroel hu’
also no reading comprihention.. it is past tense, ‘shechoota’ he sinned , not ‘shechote’he is sinning
also that mamar is for a yid shomer torah that hot zuch farzundikt, not for
heretics that desecrate the torah and kenimrod gibor tzaid …lhaches like …
I really don’t need to argue with Justinlubin18 ( whose first comment on this thread could not possibly more disgusting about his/ her fellow Yidden) or with Jerseygirl, cherrybim etc etc
I think I’m content to just say I’d prefer to stand with the tens (or hundreds) of thousands of frum yidden who are UNITED AS ONE in their simcha upon the release of Reb Shalom Rubashkin. I’d rather stand with the Skverre Rebbe and the Munkatcher Rebbe (and likely countless others) than with a handful of disgruntled people posting on YWN- whose identity and, religion, and certainly frumkeit level I do not know!
Bash our chinuch system all you want, it’s really frumkeit overall that you’re hocking, some of you just cloak your comments on nicer sounding words.
crazykano1 12/22 2:08 PM
did the non beliving jews(secular in your language)
dance in the streets for gross..?why not?
the teretz is in few of above posts
By the way theres no such thing of secular….there is Jews who believe in torah misini , written and oral
as pr 4 parts of law, and there are those who chuked it
. Did you hretics have a new relavation? No along come reshoim like REMAD, ACHAR (aron rabbiner chariner, CHSAM SOIFERS PHARASE ON HIM) shachter, stephen wise and decided torah not relavent anymore. B’H all tier offspring shadd so de yiddishe velt see what they are