An organizer of a Kaparos center – which included Shechita, has been fined $3,000 for leaving a mess on a suburban county’s property. The man told the Rockland County Board of Health Wednesday that the fault lay with his 18-year-old son.
Some 11,000 live chickens were on hand at the onetime Rockland Drive-In in Monsey for Kaparos in September. Rockland health inspectors said the former drive-in was coated with chicken remains, insects and trash after Yom Kippur last year.
Rockland officials met with the organizers in August, and outlined steps the group had to follow to meet the county’s sanitary code requirements.
“It looked like a disaster area,” inspector Kevin Mackey told the Rockland Board of Health today.
“It was not maintained properly.”
(Source: Journal News)
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Tack it onto next year’s “Kaparos” account.
Terrible that he would blame his son. Makes no diff if it was his fault or not.
Charedim Kol Yisroel, LOL!!!
What happened to the Kaporos takonos of the Gedolim ? Or did they fall by the wayside like the Wedding takonos which are disregarded ?
YOTZA SECHORO BEHEFSEIDO!
just saw the journal news post, their blog is filled with the most hate filled statements towards our community that I have ever seen.
one guy and his son did wrong, got fined and the entire community is called anything from cultists to immoral to abusers to tax cheats to any vile term that you can think of.
Flatbusher!
i can’t understand why people run to use the C.H. (chilul Hashem)word.
1)maybe if no one says it, Bshamayim it can slip thru.Hashem can tell the sotton, who is saying the same thing, that he is only an “aid achod” and he’s not believed.but now he can say “see even flatbusher agrees with me”.
2)why do you want to paskin on someone’s olom habba?don’t you know that mechalel shem shamayim has no olom habo?
Same picture I so in Flatbush. It was discasting. I was so ashamed for my people.
It doesn’t make sence to make such a chilul hashem for a minhag yisroel. Do kaporos on money and solve all the problems.
The question is though will anyone act differently into the future?
#9
i was very touched by your sensitivity.
i would like to know are you also “ashamed” for your people when they talk during davening?
#7 those comments did not develop in a vacuum. Moreover, the article is not he cause of them, but rater the opportunity.
#13 you are correct it did not develop in a vacuum, nor b/t/w did it develop in Ramapo. Not even in America or even in Europe did it develop. It is b/c eisav hates Yaakov.
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based on your consistant defense of the preserve ramapo crowd along with your defense of the random journal news anti-Jewish posters, I would love to see your notes and commentary on the Chumash. (let’s see if this part is too controversial for the editors)
could it go somehting like this: it’s no wonder that eisav hates Yaakov, he brought it upon himself by his own reprehensible actions – after all the hatred that eisav has for Yaakov did not develop in a vacuum.
examples:
1)Yaakov took advantage of his sick and dying brother to swindle the birthright using a legal loophole.
2)Yaakov tricked Yitzchok and stole the blessings.
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now we all know that the “commentary” above is foolish and used only as an example of going to the illogical extreme. We also know that eisav hated Yaakov from the womb. He wanted to be the only one to inherit his father – the “I want/got mine and you can’t have yours” mentality that we see so much of by segments in Ramapo (and no, not the Orthodox/Chassidic segment).
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why would these people not want to have us as neighbors? Look at our community (Orthidox/Chassidic) as compared to other ethnic segments in American society (disclaimer: none of this is based on a scientific study):
Violent crimes – very small %
Drug use – very small %
Car theft – very small %
tax and welfare cheats as a % of population – very small %
houses of worship, schools and attendance at such – per capita (something that I would think that we would all say is good) – very high %
two parent(mother/father) households – very high %
so what do they pick on?
-messy lawns
-houses that need a coat (or 2) of paint
-hatzolah members have lights on their cars
-too many kids to keep track of (must be why the police and truant officers are always showing up with kids Yiddishe kids that were wandering aimlessly down the streets
-garbage cans that don’t get brought in right away
-kids toys left outside
-the list of nonsense goes on and on and on…
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go ahead counselor you can have the last word.
mdlevine
The reason they don’t want us as neighbors is something we can’t do anything about, the fact that we hold ourselves apart from them and their culture. Look at Rashi in Eicha on the words “Yodaata Ki Ata Aseesa”. That said, we need to hold ourselves to the highest standard in every regard. We have done things that do not endear ourselves as neighbors, and working to change zoning, even though legal, should not be expected to cause anything other than enmity with those not like us.
We must hold ourselves in a higher standard and not give them an opening or excuse to find reasons (true or made-up) to hate us. We are ALWAYS being watched,and Hashem uses these haters to [prod us into improving ourselves.
papper, i agree. we need to hold ourselves to the highest standards – that is what HaShem wants from us. is there room for improvement in all of us – yes.
over 15 years ago in a Dr.s office, an old man said to me (out of nowhere) go outside on garbage collection day. go to a house of an old couple you see one small bag. go to a catering hall and you see mounds of garbage – the more that live here, sadly the more garbage you will see. I say let’s look past the temporary garbage and look at the eternal projects that are here: Kupras Ezra, Bikur Cholim, Tomche Shabbos. Once, quite a while ago I went to a house to get money for someone. I wrote the wrong address down and went to the wrong house – the person was not expecting me, however, they wrote out a nice check. I gave it to the intended recipient and was told, I went to the wrong house. I went to the correct house and recieved 1/5th of what the wrong person gave (to be fair, I am told that the correct person gives on a regular basis). I went to the wrong house to apologize and to return the check and was told – the check was written it is meant for the recipient. where else will you find people like this except amongst us.
my frustration comes from the situation where a Yid does wrong and in Ramapo even if a non-Jew does wrong (CSL and George Darden) and the vile comments towards the entire community come out in full force. i expect it from those that hate us.
It is very upsetting to me when Yidden, join hands and march with these people defending their hatred of us (it is OUR fault, the collective Yidden of Ramapo).
I have posted this before, if a Yid has issues with the development of areas or the number of Shuls, Yeshivas, lights on Hatzolah cars or even air traffic patterns and cell phone towers — start your own group. work from within. do what you want – just don’t join hands with those who hate us, simply because of who we are. there is an old expression the enemy of my enemy is my friend. another expression is choose your friends wisely. yes, choose who you want to be associated with.
last comment on this: everybody here gets all upset, and rightfully, so when the nk nuts rub shoulders with those that hate Jews – if they protested on their own without joining hands with those that hate us and even condemned those that hate us, we would not dislike them. Yet, here in Ramapo, Yidden join hands (gladly) with those that really do not want us here and share in their vile comments.
mdlevine:
Does “eisav soneh l’Yaacov” justify violating the terms of a deal as occured in the kaporos situation? The County allowed these people to use to county land at no charge to run their kaporos business. They left it a mess and were fined. Eisav soneh l’Yaacov justifies what these people did? Let’s move on. Does Eisav soneh l’Yaacov justify leaving one’s lawn a mess when your neighbors do not? Does Eisav soneh l’Yaacov justify the general rudeness and lack of consideration for others to which non-chareidim are constantly subjected? and BTW you are either very naive or covering up when you say that tax fraud and welfare fraud is not a problem in the chareidi world. Chareidi economics is based upon benefits fraud. But maybe Eisav soneh l’Yaacov justifies theft and corruption too. Maybe it trumps ideas like dina d’malchuta or minhag hashuk or minhag hasocharim. Perhaps it nullifies that view of the Meiri that gezel hagoy is assur and also that Jews have an obligation of hashavat aveidah to non-Jews just like to Jews, not mishum eivah but because it is a chilul hashem. Seems Eisav Soneh has become the grund norm for Jewish morality in certain cirlces. Eisav soneh l’Yaacov is not a justification for Jews’ poor behavior. To suggest that it is simply is narishkeit or worse; racism dressed up as religion
Moreover, your understanding of the concept is incorrect. The Torah renames Eisav and calls him Edom. The Midrash draws a direct line from Eisav/Edom to Rome, which is also called Edom in Midrashic literature. Thus Eisav soneh l’Yaacov refers to Rome and no one else. Last I checked the Roman empire fell. One might claim the Pax Romanum which resulted in intermarriage between Romans and other people’s would mean that Eisav soneh still applies. But I never saw that advanced in the primary sources.
Here in Manchester the Erev Yom KIppur Kaporos/ shechita are carried out behind one of the Botei Medrash and the mess is cleared up immediately afterwards. There is really no excuse for leaving a mess other than irresponsibility.