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ZSKParticipant
This is a place for open discussion.
However, that doesn’t allow you, or anyone else for that matter, to refer to Rabbonim outside the Yeshivishe and Chassidishe Velt by their last name without the title they rightfully earned. Open discussion most certainly does not allow you to use an abbreviation that means “may he rot in the depths of Gehinom” in connection with said Rabbonim.
You, like many others, need to learn to differentiate between RZ and ideologically secularist Zionism. They are worlds apart. Just like you and others like you need to get that you’re completely ignorant of who Rav Kook actually was, what his actual stances were on things (i.e. he was adamantly opposed to coed schools), and the era he was living and the issues at that time. Reading what he wrote would change that. You’re not going to go OTD from reading his works, statements, piskei Halacha, etc.
And I am still waiting for you to explain the terms you so flippantly throw around and how they apply to the things and persons you claim they apply to.
ZSKParticipantYou’ve been calling various Rabbanim “כופרים, מסית ומדיח, אפיקורסים” for the last month or so. Your vitriol has in particular been toward Rav Kook. You’ve called Zionism heresy and IIRC, you declared a significant part of the Orthodox community as being the worst of the worst. If you think no one noticed, we did. You referred to Rav Kook by only his last name. You wrote שם רשעים ירקב in connection with his name on at least two different threads.
But I digress. It is my belief that people should know what they are talking about, especially when they throw out Halachik terminology like the terms you’ve used. So tell me something, do you know what those terms mean? Do you undertand the implications of the words you’re using? If you do, explain them and explain the application of those terms to Zionism. If you don’t and are just firing off whatever you were taught, it may be time to be quiet.
ZSKParticipantSimcha,
There’s no point in bringing this subject up. It’s not worth it. The majority of posters here have a knee-jerk negative reaction to the “Z” word and the IDF and will never change. You can’t argue with such people, or even convince them of your position. And quite frankly, no Charedi Rav will be able to answer your question satisfactorily.
ZSKParticipant“Just to clarify, I wasn’t talking about the people who run Sefaria in my last post. I was referring to the people who would theoretically want a wacky, tranny version of the Tanach. I still don’t believe this group actually exists.”
They definitely exist. Remember, most Jews in the US (I’m including Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist and unaffiliated, and even those who call themselves “patrilineal Jews”) tend to be left leaning politically and their Judaism (more like bagel flavored progressivism) is heavily affected by their politics, if not outright dictated by such. The same may be said about non-orthodox groups outside the US. You only need to scan speeches given by their leaders to see it. Those who are of my generation (millennial) and younger see it on social media (Facebook, Reddit and even LinkedIn).
JPS was probably trying to appeal to the non-orthodox world and remain relevant when doing what they did. I also suspect they also were under political pressure to do by those groups.
ZSKParticipantThe OP found his result by doing a Google search, not a search on Sefaria itself. A search on Sefaria using his query won’t give you any results. You actually have to goto that Perek, click on the Possuk, then go search for the right internet link or source page under the correct institution.
However, I was able to duplicate it by using his exact query in Google. It was the top result. However, I will qualify that the result ultimately links back to Mechon Hadar, which isn’t frum (by that I mean Yeshivish or even RWMO, but probably OO), but not necessarily non orthodox in the Reform or Conservative sense.
I do wonder why the OP felt it necessary to go throw an epic hissy fit on this website, rather than just go back what he’s supposed to be doing as a “Bochur”: learning Torah – and obviously forgetting he came across it.
ZSKParticipantBashing Charedim? No. Harshly critcising? Absolutely. Harsh criticism is not “bashing”.
“There is a common problem of people equating modern day DL with zionism of the previous generation. They are two different worlds that have very little in common. The DL world is committed to Torah and to E”Y and do not make compromises. In very ways their world and the Chareidi world are similar in terms of commitment and passion to their values. Just where you point the needle seems to account for their differences.”
Exactly right. DL is consistently misconstrued as being Herzl/Ben-Gurion-esque Zionism – an ideologically secularist, anti-religious movement, which was what the גדולים of previous generations were against. But DL being part of such a movement? No. DL never worshipped the state as Charedim claim. Do they view it as possibly the אתחלתא דגאולה? Yes. That hardly means state worship or any form of “idolatry”, just a more positive view of the state of affairs. No one DL would say the state is a לכתחילה – it very obviously isn’t. The practical difference between Charedism and DL as far as Judaism is concerned is essentially boils down to 2-3 מי שברכים (that Charedim in Israel should probably be saying per פרקי אבות) and two extra days with a quasi-chag davening. Most of the other noticeable, external differences are cultural.
(FWIW, In the same vein, DL is often mixed up with MO, when the two are completely different. The former is more akin to the traditional, Orthodox view of Tikkun Olam with the goal of the final גאולה (per עלינו לשבח) whereas the latter is more about survival in the modern era as an Orthodox Jew or trying to find the best mix of modernity and Judaism (depending on whether you link it to TiDE or TuM).
As for the keyboard warriors here who degrade רבנים outside the Charedi world, may הקב״ה have mercy on your souls after 120 for your consistent and constant denigration of תלמידי חכמים, רבנים, דיינים, etc.
ZSKParticipant“I get it, you want to bash on Chassidim for not saying tachanun enough, but if you live in a glass house, don’t throw stones. It’s a reshus, and saying it when you shouldn’t might be worse than the inverse.”
Bash? No. Criticize? Yes. Let’s just say that if I wanted to “bash” Chassidim, I wouldn’t start with not saying Tachanun.
November 1, 2024 9:05 am at 9:05 am in reply to: What Can YWN Do To Improve Itself This New Coming Year? #2328663ZSKParticipantBan UJM, Joseph and his ilk.
ZSKParticipantBecause we don’t look for excuses to not say Tachanun.
ZSKParticipantWay to slander Rabbanim and others who are not of your ilk during Elul. (Sarcasm)
ZSKParticipantFull disclosure: I live in Israel. Nothing has changed. Obviously I support the country I live in.
I’m a Zionist insofar as Shivas Tzion is concerned. Not so much politically (My reasons for making Aliyah were not connected to Zionism).
Religiously, I’m a mix. I thankfully did not grow up in and was not educated in the Tri-State Area. I was educated in both MO and Yeshivish institutions and both had their positives. I usually call myself “Frum without Tri-State area mishugassen”, but in far more blunt (and impolite) terms.
ZSKParticipantYou don’t know what you’re talking about and are just spewing NK talking points.
You can answer to HKB”H after 120 for being a Sonei Yisrael.
ZSKParticipantCan of worms and a different topic but I agree.
ZSKParticipantI got your point. I was being intentionally brief.
I’ll clarify:
1) There are linguistic rules to LHK – phonological, morphological and syntactic. They exist whether or not reading/pronunciation changed due to surrounding languages. The most basic rules can pretty much be derived from any other Semitic langauge that was wasn’t essentially a liturgical language for nearly 1900 years (which is what Hebrew for the most part was, from Churban Bayis Sheni until Ben-Eliezer).
2) Teimanim (especially Baladi) appear to have the most uncorrupted reading tradition (mainly due to their relative isolation). If we want a vague idea of what LKH is supposed to sound like, look at the Baladim. Speaking of Teimanim in general, HaKatan is 100% wrong about shmad – Teimanim and Sephardim absolutely use the “th” sounds in davening and leining (anyone who has davened at a Sephardic shul or learned in a predominantly Sephardic Hesder Yeshiva (like I have) would know this – Sephardim are far more precise with pronunciation in their leining and davening than Ashkenazim are and they make a point of being so (the exception to Ashkenazim being less precise is obviously those whose tradition is נוסח אשכנז מובהק).
3) The varying pronunciations all have errors and that’s because a variety of cultural factors, time + מנהג אבותינו בידינו (sociolinguistic factors). For Teimanim, it’s ג being read as /j/; for Chassidim, pretty much everything, but especially vowels (there is at least one Chassidish Rebbe (IIRC Vizhnitz), who said he’s never heard a 100% kosher Torah reading in his life); for Litvaks, it’s cholam, as it is for Galitzianers. Ashkenazim don’t differentiate between א and ע, ח and כ, ט and ת, which they should. For Sephardim in general, their vowels are from Arabic, not Hebrew.
4) Incorrectly reading words is a problem על פי הלכה and we know this. Again, I refer to מסכת ברכות and statements about not allowing those who cannot differentiate between א and ע to serve as a שליח ציבור.
5) We have our traditions and they aren’t going away and I never said only one tradition is correct. The differences (acutally errors) in pronucnciation obviously aren’t going anywhere. But that does not change the fact that there are linguistic rules and they should be followed (and those who בשיטה don’t should obviously go back to reading correctly).
6) I never addressed Modern Hebrew. I tend to follow the opinion of Rav Kook זצ״ל that Modern Hebrew is 100% פסול insofar as fulfilling a חיוב and that Ashkenazim should be reading per Ashkenazi tradition only (and the other traditions per their Mesorah only as well, obviously). Which is why, despite having lived in Israel for 15 years (and B”H having very good Hebrew), I still daven and lein in the Ashkenazi tradition I grew up with. But I’m a distinct minority.
7) My last statement was directed at the OP, not you, asking why he cares what Yiddish does with regard to its Hebrew component. Yiddish isn’t a Semitic language, so there is no butchering of Hebrew to be done.
ZSKParticipant@philospher
It’s more than likely due to vowel shifts (which do occur – English went through a major one in the 1400-1700s; Yiddish did something similar but collapsed vowels into each other) and the effect of Umlaut (I can’t link the Wikipedia article here per forum rules), and the simple fact that Yiddish’s Hebrew component is large enough and used on a daily basis for those changes to be able leak straight into davening, leining, etc. (the Halachik issues are irrelevant to this discussion, but they most certainly exist.)
As for Chassidim worldwide using Hebrew heavily influenced by Hungarian/Southeastern/Transcarpathian Yiddish, I believe that is due to cultural factors, specifically the Holocaust, which drove the various branches of Chassidim together and everyone more or less adopted the Satmar/Vitzhnitz pronunciation because they were dominant.
In terms of the linguistics, you’re talking about an isogloss (a linguistic border that delineates between dialects, languages or specific features). I don’t have an accurate map (Google doesn’t have one either), but there is one that runs roughly through southern Poland, Hungary and into Ukraine, which would partially explain it.
I will point out that Chabad – which is technically a Chassidish branch (let’s please not get into a discussion of that) has for the most part maintained its Northeastern Yiddish flavor (saying “tejrah” rather than “toirah” or ever “torah”) outside of Israel (Israel is a different story, like it is with all things).
I can look into it more, but I don’t live near an academic library (I live in northern Israel and the relevant academic library is in Ramat Gan).
ZSKParticipantThis may be the one time I will ever agree with HaKatan on anything, ever. His example is correct, and reading Hebrew incorrectly when Leining / Davening / making a bracha is absolutely a problem. Certainly it can put the fulfillment of a chiyyuv into question (why do you think the Gemara made its statements about the ability to differentiate between Aleph and Ayin?).
Lashon Hakodesh does have phonological rules. Those rules exist regardless of whether the phonology of letters were affected by Galus by way of surrounding existing languages (i.e. vowel shifts in Yiddish), or in one case blatantly ignoring those rules b’shitta because of Maskilim. I have at least 3 sefarim that spell out those rules very clearly.
ZSKParticipantI wrote my undergrad thesis on the origins of Yiddish.
Without getting into a linguistic discussion about creolization and the influence of older Jewish languages (specifically Loez (Old Jewish-French/Italian)) (and the fact that I don’t have easy access to any of the sources I used for that paper), in short, “ים” is a plural marker that is attached almost entirely across the board to Hebrew loan words and may be a Hebrew substrate attached to the German base of the language. It’s not necessarily a corrpution of -en in German.
That aside, as many have pointed out here, living languages change. That’s how you ended up with 26 dialects of Yiddish and my very Litvish grandmother OBM not understanding her friend’s Yiddish that was from a different region (IIRC somewhere in Austria/Hungary, i.e, not especially mutually intelligble).
And, as others have pointed out, as long as it doesn’t affect how you read Hebrew when davening / leining (which is completely different and should remain that way), does it really matter that much?
December 16, 2021 10:55 am at 10:55 am in reply to: Discrimination against religious firefighters in Judea/Samaria #2042348ZSKParticipantLast I checked, Israel doesn’t have to comply with the ADA. It’s a different country.
And we’re probably only hearing half of the story, like usual.ZSKParticipantAt this point, it’s not worth it to argue anything with ujm. Like I said earlier in this thread, he is nothing more than an extremely bigoted, racist, disrespectful person. His opinions should be completely ignored, just like those of the various Neturei Karta trolls who show up every so often to yell “Gevalt” about the existence of the State of Israel.
ZSKParticipant@philosopher – I was actually speaking to the OP, whose barely concealed racism is showing once again. Sorry for not being sufficiently clear.
You can cite whatever rulings you want.
Keep in mind: (1) the contentiousness of the issue; (2) the fact that Radvaz and Rav Ovadia are sufficient to rely upon, even if some sort of giyur lechumra or formal renunciation of Karaism is required; and (3) keep in mind that there are two Ethiopian communities in question here, the larger of the two definitely being safek akum and the other one being more likely Karaites. But I’m no expert and this is definitely above my pay grade.
Again, no issues with you at all. My issue is the barely concealed racism and bigotry that the OP constantly spews, as well as his blatant disrespect of anyone who is not Yeshivish/Chassidish. It’s tired, old, childish, divisive and quite frankly irritatingly stupid.
ZSKParticipant@Joseph – “A Gett has a person’s secular name?”
Yes. According to Halacha, you are required to use all names that either spouse or their fathers go by. This is so there is no ambiguity with regard to who the people in question are.
We all know you can’t stand the State of Israel or the Rabbanut/Misrad HaDatot, but if you’ve ever seen a Get issued by them, you will see the phrase “X aka Y aka Z”.In Aramaic, obviously.
I deal with this enough in a professional capacity to know.November 15, 2021 7:36 am at 7:36 am in reply to: Klal Yisroel Needs an Official Central Yichus Registry #2028379ZSKParticipantWe have one – it’s called the Misrad HaDatot – and it doesn’t work very well because of power politics.
ZSKParticipantYou’re not on the level of Radvaz or R’ Ovadia Yosef. Shut it.
October 27, 2021 12:04 pm at 12:04 pm in reply to: What is the real reason for banning Jews from Israel? #2021389ZSKParticipant“I find in Israel there is animosity toward “frum Anglos”.
Total bunk. It’s very clear that most of the folks here don’t interact with the average Israeli. But that’s no surprise considering most of y’all limit yourselves to Anglo areas (i.e. Jerusalem, Bet Shemesh, etc.) and don’t even attempt to venture out to non-Anglo enclaves. Y’all are pontificating based on an abysmal lack of evidence. (After living in Israel for more than a decade, living well outside of what I call the “Anglo Bubble”, I can speak pretty authoritatively about this.)
As for “לך עבוד אלהים אחרים” – I would be smart to “מדבר שקר תרחק” and stop acting like a רוכל and מוציא שם רע with regard to nearly 7-8 million of your fellow Jews.
October 26, 2021 7:47 am at 7:47 am in reply to: What is the real reason for banning Jews from Israel? #2020756ZSKParticipantA few things:
1) It’s just easier to go OTD if you’re MO because they are better equipped to handle the change. Charedim have a significantly harder time, which is why you hear about it.
2) I’m willing to bet that if you look at the Orthoprax numbers in the Charedi world, it’s probably nearly the same as the OTD numbers in the MO world.
3) Keep in mind that MO schools more often than not have a significant percentage of students that are not religious in the slightest, but are there because their parents want them to have some sort of Jewish identity. I can think of at plenty of high schools that are like this. The students who are actually Orthodox usually goto schools with a significant Orthodox population (i.e. UMD, YU/Stern, NYU, UPenn, etc.).
4) @Always ask the questions – You can also ask what good post-high school Yeshiva is at all if this is the case.
5) MO kids who want to go OTD are usually halfway there by the time they finish high school. College is basically their time to actually go OTD. Again, I know several people like this.ZSKParticipantTwo options: 1) it’ll fall apart within the next year or so or (2) will last 2-3 years.
Israel thankfully survived the likes of Shimon Peres, it’ll G-d willing survive this government as well.
ZSKParticipantA few things:
1) Calm down.
2) Bennett and Shaked are doing whatever they see as being politically expedient, like any other politician.
3) Lapid’s only issue is that he’s Tommy’s son and can’t help himself. Aside for his anti-religious biases, he’s not nearly as left as you think he is.
4) There really hasn’t been a true left-winger in years. Peres was probably the last of his kind (and thank G-d for that).
5) Liberman as Finance Minister can be a blessing in disguise.
6) You very clearly don’t understand how it works in Israel. The Likud, having the most votes, had the first opportunity to try to form a government. They weren’t able to, simply because they won’t replace Bibi for whatever reason. Yesh Atid, the party with the next largest number of votes, got to the next attempt form a government, and it appears they succeeded. To be more clear: The ability to form a governing coalition matters, not necessarily the number of votes. It’s sort of akin to the electoral college – you vote and your vote matters, but in the end, the electoral college decides who wins, not the individual. So stop whining about percents. A government was formed after two years of instability. End of discussion. You can hate it all you want. It is what it is.
7) So there will be a minority government. Israel thankfully survived previous minority governments, it will G-d willing survive this one. Just like how America survived Trump and will G-d willing survive Biden.
8) Bennett is sufficiently orthodox, contrary to your extreme biases.
9) The day there is a Charedi prime minister is the day a democratic form of government dies in Israel.
10) Lastly: Have you ever considered the implications of a Halachik state? What that actually means? I doubt you – or anyone on this website – would be willing to go along with that. Especially having grown up with the amount of freedom you had in America and have while currently living in America.April 23, 2021 7:41 am at 7:41 am in reply to: Seeking recommendations for sleepover camp for 10th-grade boy #1967388ZSKParticipantWhat Common Saychel said.
Or let the kid find a job at at a local supermarket. He’ll have some spending money of his own and he’ll learn a bit of personal responsibility.
March 22, 2021 2:09 am at 2:09 am in reply to: Can Yeshivish families make aliyah with school age children? #1959457ZSKParticipantAbsolutely. Just plan carefully.
ZSKParticipant@CTLAWYER –
Glad you had that opportunity. I should point out that the black population in Atlanta has its positions vis-a-vis Jews and Israel mainly out of ignorance.
I would agree with all the above with regard to clergy. I also generally oppose the existence of any religious parties in Israel. Religious MKs are fine, but religious parties? No way.
I don’t think there should be any interference in local races, period.
Reconstruction II? I don’t think this Reconstruction. However, the suggestion by various media by elitists and celebrities that people move to Georgia just to change the politics certainly smells of it and I understand those who may think of it as such.
As it happens, I haven’t voted in a US election since I moved to Israel. I won’t be voting in these special elections either – I gave up that right in exchange for not getting jury duty notices I can’t fulfill.ZSKParticipant@CTLAWYER – I know you aren’t a troll, I was just wondering if you were trolling in your response. There’s a difference. Relax.
I’m well aware of what lawyers have to do, translators have to do the same thing.
Being from Atlanta and having a bit of knowledge regarding Ebenezer and its reverends post-MLK, I would say: He is at best apathetic. He is most likely akin to most of that population in Atlanta – borderline antisemitic and anti-Israel*. At worst, he’s both.
*There obviously are exceptions, I just don’t believe he is one of them, especially when he defends the likes of Jeremiah Wright and his compadres.
ZSKParticipantWow, a whole lot of carpetbaggers here pontificating about my hometown.
@jackk – I don’t know what synagogues you’re talking about, but Warnock has definitely not spoken at any of the Orthodox synagogues. Maybe the former Young Israel (which barely qualifies as Orthodox at this point). My parents or my siblings would have told me if he did. I assume you’re referring to one of the Reform and Conservative Temples or possibly one of the Chabad houses (also doubtful).
@charliehall – What a load of malarkey, to put it very mildly. Ebenezer and the overwhelming majority of the black population in Atlanta have changed since the days of MLK. As a whole, they aren’t Pro-Israel and anyone who has lived in Atlanta for more than 30 seconds knows that. The black population has tied itself to the Arabs. End of story.
As for his opponent, she’s no worse than Maxine Waters. Politics are dirty and unethical. Deal with it.
@CTLAWYER – “Palestinians are also Semites”. Are you really going down that road? Really? Especially “antisemitism” so obviously refers to Jews and is used in reference to Jews? Or are you trolling?ZSKParticipantFrom the perspective of an Israeli-American in”occuped territory”:
There’s no way to definitively know one way or another whether Biden will act like his predecessor or forge his own path. But, keeping that in mind:
1) One could safely assume that Biden will not do much in Israel’s favor when all his advisors served under Obama.
2) Biden has to contend with a fairly strong progessive wing in his own party. Who says that part of the party won’t put extreme pressure that he will fold under? Also, isn’t his VP part of that progressive wing? That would indicate a problem for Israel.
3) I question whether Biden will last the 4 years and if at some point, the planet will have to contend with a President Harris.
4) Then again, if the Republicans keep the Senate, it could just end up being a stalemate for 4 years.At the end of the day, just daven that the US government keeps its senses. Lord knows we’re doing that here in Israel (because the country is flying by the seat of its pants without any sort of plan for the near or distant future).
November 14, 2020 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm in reply to: Do American Jews care about Eretz Yisroel? #1919709ZSKParticipantNo HaKatan, you pray 3x a day to go back to the Russian Pale.
ZSKParticipant@Anongirl – First of all, mazel tov. Second, I’m a man. Third, I got married at 25, which is about average. Fourth, thanks for judging. I’m from OOT and where I’m from, all the girls are sent to Baltimore and New York to get married and are strongly discouraged from dating anyone local. Rare is the local Shidduch (I only know of one off-hand). That meant I had to resort to dating websites and Shadchanim. You may be too young to be familiar with Frumster and Saw You at Sinai. I met my wife through the former while getting constantly rejected on the latter. Shadchanim told me to get lost.
In my dating experience, there was always some excuse on the girl’s end and it almost always was due to parental meddling. I always found this out after the fact. To the parents (especially those of Rabbinic stock), it didn’t matter that I went to college full-time, worked a full-time job, went to minyan 3x a day and still spent 3-4 hours in the local Beis Midrash at night before going home and doing schoolwork. Never mind that I had life basically figured out by the time I was 23. What mattered was the fact that I wasn’t “mainstream” so I was rejected by parents. And, guess what? Fathers of girls are also obssessed with social standing.
My point: You want to solve the problem? 1) Parents should let their kids date and not get involved unless there is good reason to (i.e., there’s an obvious problem with one of the parties involved, an imminent engagement, etc.). (2) Sometimes the guy who isn’t “mainstream” may be exactly what you’re looking for, even if you don’t think so at the moment. Stop nixing guys who aren’t mainstream.
@Shmil_O Ongar – See above. Actually, I was one of the last people in my social crowd to get married. Also, to be very blunt, 22-23 is young, even if the Chassidish and Yeshivish world thinks that is old.
November 9, 2020 10:29 am at 10:29 am in reply to: Do American Jews care about Eretz Yisroel? #1918132ZSKParticipantIn a word: No.
ZSKParticipantFrom my experience dating years ago, both through a Shadchan and through the first frum dating websites:
There is no shidduch crisis. Period. If there is a crisis, it is a problem of extremely meddlesome (and incredibly selfish) parents as well as young adults maturing much later in life.
November 2, 2020 8:25 am at 8:25 am in reply to: Daati Leumi/RZ Rabbonim call on public to vote for Donald Trump #1915934ZSKParticipantWhy should the RZ public respond? And more importantly, why do you care? This is no different than the Chassidishe Rebbes and Roshei Yeshiva urging people to vote for Trump.
October 30, 2020 8:00 am at 8:00 am in reply to: Halachic Ramifications of Killing Whilst in the Military #1915217ZSKParticipantWhich army, Israeli or otherwise?
In any event, Rav Yosef Zvi Rimon’s Hilchot Tzavah likely addresses the question, although it may be limited to the Israeli army as opposed to any other army.
ZSKParticipantI wish I could. I unfortunately have a child who seems to get sick far too frequently for me to be comfortable going to shul under the current circumstances. Also, considering the impending lockdown in Israel, who knows if there even will be a minyan to goto.
ZSKParticipantWe will unfortunately not be in Shul and for the first time in years, I will not be leining. I’m asthmatic and have terrible allergies that make mask wearing extremely difficult after about 45 minutes. There are public shofar blowings all over the city at various times (we live in israel), we’ll go to one of them.
ZSKParticipantWhere is he? If he’s actually in the south, I may be able to help.
ZSKParticipantAnd my point, which I was trying to make delicately , is that quite bluntly, your privately held land – as well as that of others – is completely and utterly irrelevant to the thread.
The OP asked about buying land.
You and I both know that privately held land is impossible to get ahold of unless you’ve got a ton of money, and that privately owned land usually stays within the family (you’re proof of that yourself – I assume your property in Herzliya Pituach will be passed on to your kids, grandkids, etc.). People who do not have a ton of money or whose family did not buy land during the Mandate Period don’t have a stone’s chance in you-know-what of buying private land today, unless they go into Arab ruled areas and claim land as their own (and good luck with that brainless idea). This doesn’t need to be said. I don’t know the OP’s financial situation but more than likely she can’t buy the sort of land you’re talking about. So again, your case is irrelevant.
What i said before still stands.
Unless the OP is a multi-millionaire, she’ll end up spending a couple million shekels for a 99-year lease on a piece of property. The exception maybe if she buy a farm, but to the best of my knowledge, those are also owned by the JNF.
ZSKParticipant@CTLAWYER
1) The JNF and the Israel Lands Authority have (re)claimed most privately owned land because the landowners almost never come forward when they are asked to.
2) What I posted is *not* misinformation when the overwhelming majority of sales today are in fact 99-year-leases. Anyone who has been involved in a real estate transaction in Israel would know that because there is usually a lease from the JNF/KKL attached to the sales contract and the registration in Tabu generally indicates as such. Let’s just say I deal with this professionally and would know.ZSKParticipantNot possible. Everything is owned by the JNF/KKL. At most, if you buy a semi-detached/detached home – or even an empty lot – you’ll get a 99 year lease from them.
ZSKParticipant@ Joseph – Anglo ghettos are expensive because Israelis overcharge Anglos and we frequently are too much of “friers” to notice. Also, Anglos don’t know how to negotiate real estate prices down.
@Rosen – RBS is not “a little expensive”. It’s extremely overpriced, just like the rest of Bet Shemesh, which is entirely because of the enormous influx of Anglos.@TRUEBT-
1) Having done the Aliyah thing, NBN doesn’t help with Aliyah. They’re selling a product – a dream of living in Israel.2) I’ve told more than one person interested in Aliyah that “It’s easy to make Aliyah, just get on the plane. The hardest part of Aliyah is the day after you arrive in Israel and have to take care of things yourself – setting up bank accounts, claiming your sal klita, setting up national insurance, et cetera”.
3) You can find native English speakers practically everywhere in Israel – even in the far out of the way Yishuvim.
4) You will not successfully make Aliyah if you isolate in an Anglo ghetto and never interact with Hebrew speakers or Israelis. The country functions in Hebrew and it isn’t always possible to get services in English – even if mandated by law.
The OP can contact me through the mods if he wants more information or people to get in touch with in RBS that can point him in the right direction.
ZSKParticipantMy aunt had a bunch of surgeries to correct scoliosis. Long recovery time from what I know.
January 26, 2020 1:12 am at 1:12 am in reply to: Selective Service System – Do you register your sons? #1825989ZSKParticipantYou have to register yourself. You literally just fill out a prepaid postcard they send to you and return it by mail. Takes all of 5 minutes. I registered when I reached 18.
ZSKParticipantLinguist here.
I could write something up, but something tells me that it would offend 90% of the posters here and probably not worth the flack I would receive. BTW, there’s a whole branch of linguistics devoted to this.
That being said, in short – without offending anyone’s beliefs: For any reading of Hebrew, look at the surrounding languages and their evolution. The surrounding languages caused the emergence of the Jewish vernacular in said area. Any evolution in those languages – including that of the Jewish vernacular – changed the phonology of Hebrew in that area.
With the exception of the rednecks from Eastern Europe, it’s basically agreed that the Teimanim are considered to have the most “authentic” reading of Hebrew.
Also, I contest the statement that the Litvish reading is original American – the Yekkes and Dutch Portuguese were in the US before the Litvaks and Chassidim.
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