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I’m just quoting snopes and Wikipedia. Since you said those sources are suspect, I tried to find independent evidence that the magazine existed through Google, but I found nothing other than info about this story. Why do you blindly think the magazine did exist?
LF- source? I’ve never seen ???? ??? interpreted to mean that one has to wish a good Shabbos to people. If you have a mekor for any of this I’ll retract, but at this point I’m skeptical that greeting other people is part of the halachic category of kavod Shabbos. As I said before, it’s not in rambam or s”a.
LF- In Hilchos Shabbos perek 30, rambam lists all the actions that are subsumed under kavod Shabbos, and saying a special greeting to people is not on the list. If you know of any sources that say it is, I’d love to hear it.
I don’t think either group “worships the dead.” Can you prove that claim?
There was never a magazine with the name ‘Housekeeping Monthly.’
Is the question why superlatives are used at all, or why the only one used is “amazing” (as your examples show)?
Meh. Do you say hi to every frum stranger you meet on a normal day? Why should Shabbos be any different, and how does a two word greeting strengthen ahavas yisroel?
didn’t your kids already know the couple was engaged?
Popa- Just curious, what was one or two of their arguments that you found unconvincing, and how would you improve on them?
a better moshol would be if the parents pulled nosson out of yeshiva and sent him to public school for 2 years, where he’d have issues with kashrus, tznius, shabbos, and finding time to daven and learn. MNosson’s parents are good people, and just want him to have a good secular education. Sadly, they don’t understand the value of Torah and are too disconnected from their roots to see his perspective.
Nisht- L’gabei cholent, there is a chashash that the guy is an apikores- since Karaites don’t eat any chamin on shabbos- but there’s no chashash that he’s a goy! And l’gabei shuckeling, how is that shayach at all to being jewish?
If anything, these are simanim, not sibos. It seems like there is more to the story…
just to drill down on joseph’s great list, perhaps you can incorporate the situation in eretz yisrael into your tefillah, and tzedakah. for example, you can say an extra kapitel (or two) and explicitly dedicate your learning l’sheim the victims, soldiers, etc. or you can give some extra tzedakah to organizations in eretz yisrael that provide medical care to victims of terror attacks (like zakah) and the like. for teshuvah, you can work on the middah of nosei b’ol im chaveiro, and try to connect more to the pain of jews in eretz yisrael right now. hatzlacha.
Hakatan- thanks for the answer.
<I> Just because MO as a theology fools itself into adopting the idol of nationalism and that and other heresies, that doesn’t automatically follow that any of its adherents are therefore idol-worshipers and heretics. </I>
Why not? for the sake of emes, you should explore the nafka minos of your shitah. one of them is that if zionism is avodah zarah, then zionists are ovdei avodah zarah. Just like Greek paganism, limashal. Thus, the halachos I mentioned above should apply, no? Sorry if I’m distracting from your point, but I think it’s a good question.
Joseph- That’s because l’gabei tznius many other poskim (among them, the chazon ish, rav moshe, etc) disagree with the chofetz chaim. by shabbos, do other poskim disagree with the CC?
<I>A yeshiva bochur who is 17 when walking past a 16 year old girl on the sidewalk from a local bais yaakov on shabbos will say “gut shabbos” as a reflex.</I>
Is that true where you come from? I wasn’t 17 too long ago, and iirc, greeting a girl your age was certainly not a reflex! Have the standards changed that fast?
they are strange to you because they aren’t English. For example, Genendel comes from German and Shprintza allegedly comes from Spanish (Esperanza). Why Jews chose them, I don’t know.
Also: numerous tannaim have non-biblical hebrew names, and numerous amoraim have non-biblical aramaic names. Rav Moshe writes about this at length, as I quoted in another thread. So you could ask the kashah on them, or you could assume (as does rav moshe) that it’s just not that big a deal.
that should actually be a serious shailah– if you hold zionism is a”z, then you must apply the nuerous halachos of relating to ovdei avodah zarah, to religious zionists. Does anyone actually do that? yayin nesech, hanaah, mitzvah l’horgo, can’t count for a minyan, shechitah and kashrus is invalid, etc. And there is no taynah of tinok shenishba on someone like Sam2, who hakatan admitted is erudite and knowledgeable…
According to this teshuvah by r’ chaim berlin (full disclosure: I saw it quoted online, not inside), the cherem does not apply to chassidim today.
??????? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ??? ???, ?????? ????? ???”? ?”? ?? ??’ ??? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ????, ??? ?? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???? ?’ ??????? ???? ?????
He makes two interesting assumptions: 1. the reason for the original cherem was because the chassidim were “hekilu bichvod talmidei chachomim” and 2. the original cherem applied to all chassidim, not some.
you can just not answer the door. or only answer for kids accompanied by a parent, if you are really afraid of a prank. point is, in most scenarios, there is very little fear of eivah or concern for darkei shalom.
I want to understand why giving candy to kids at your door is not considered celebrating Halloween, which as a holiday with pagan origins, is therefore assur to celebrate according to the rema, gra, etc. If one were to give shalach manos on purim, limashal, this is considered “celebrating” purim. why the difference here?
I believe you are asking whether one violates the issur of yichud when being in a car together with a woman. Rav Moshe here http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=921&st=&pgnum=125 says it’s assur, except b’shas hadechak.
rav shlomo zalman says one can be meikil if the car has trasnparent windows. A key question you need to answer is if the woman can get a ride from someone else. If she can, mah tov umah noim. If she can’t, then perhaps it is a shaas hadechak and even rav moshe would say it’s mutar to give her a ride. in any case, consult a posek please!!
syag- you’re right, I got sloppy about the whole data thing with my last comment. That said, I do think it’s fair to extrapolate that if a serious, high-profile article needed to be written by a pretty big MO posek/dayan to be melamed z’chus on lack of hair covering, it’s clear that lack of hair-covering is a real issue in the MO community, or at least it is according to r’ broyde and tradition magazine (an mo journal). and about the names, I agree with you that a lashon kodesh name is preferable to yiddish. but the phenomenon of MO people giving english names troubles me far more than the chassidishe and hard core yeshivish phenomenon of giving yiddish names. one is a sign of assimilation right now and the other is not.
DY- the basis is more or less the reason you stated. The people, in the article I read, are Rav Soloveitchik (quoted by rav meiselman and r. lamm), the lubavitcher rebbe, and dati leumi rabbis yaakov ariel and dov lior. mistama more “charedi” poskim didn’t address the issue cause it never came up as a shailah.
agav, an interesting article on the topic:
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DY- individuals can be judged, a movement can’t.
Charliehall- I’m glad you don’t see fraud as typical in charedi communities. I’m also glad that your wife is makpid(ah?) about covering her hair. If only all MO women did as such. I know they don’t because michael broyde had to write a giant article to be ‘melamed zechus’ on all the MO women who don’t cover their hair. I also would question your implication that MO send more people to eretz yisrael than charedim–I know plenty of yeshivish people who have “made aliyah.” And regarding names, it seems that names like “josh,” “sam,” or even “charlie,” are pretty popular in MO communities, contra your assertion.
many poskim (even modern ones) forbid or question women dancing with sifrei torah. While I haven’t (yet) seen any poskim argue against women dancing *without* sifrei torah, I also don’t see a point to that dancing. The whole ikar of the minhag of dancing on simchas torah is that you are encircling the bimah *with* sifrei torah, the object of our joy. this is clear from the rema. so if women (or men) decided to dance w/out sifrei torah, this is not a fulfillment of the minhag rishonim. it’s nice and spiritual, but not a minhag. It reminds me of what Sam2 wrote somewhere how women were walking around their side of the mechitzah with 4 minim, when the whole minhag is to encircle the bimah. So it isn’t assur, but I raise an eyebrow at it, due to the extreme kedusha with which halacha regards the customs of a shul.
Agav, women who do not want to watch the men dance should be accommodated by having a shiur given during hakafos for them to attend.
what does he want and what is he like? I am familiar with yeshivas darchei torah and yeshiva of far rockaway, and can recommend both, as well as the chafetz chaim yeshivah in queens. Your screen name (yfr) suggests you’ve already made up your mind, though…
This argument isn’t going to end until we have actual data. How many people who identify as modern orthodox do the things that Joseph alleges they do (eat treif, disregard tznius/negiah, learn little Torah in their free time, etc)? If a study conclusively showed that ruba d’ruba, rov, or miut hamatzui of modern orthodox people did these things, then I’d agree that the movement as a whole can be thoroughly criticized, and any individual can be muchzak to do those things. Until that happens though, the verdict is out. Just like not most or even many yeshivish people cheat on taxes, steal from the government, or cover up abuse, etc, so too, it is possible that not most or many modern orthodox people do the things Joseph says they do. But I don’t know the stats, and I doubt anyone else does either. So we cannot judge until there are numbers to back up the judgment. Anecdotes alone are not enough.
it is surprising that rav moshe apparently holds that it’s mutar to go on certain parts of har habayis, but that everyone (except dati leumi) follows the tzitz eliezer/minchas yitzchak/rav ovadia on this issue and assurs it. shouldn’t americans follow rav moshe?
the gemara in gittin 56 says this: ??? ??????? ?????? ????
I think it’s safe to say that “Neron” refers to Nero.
much of this thread corroborates the gemara (berachos 5):
??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ??? ?”? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ???
some poskim say you can ask one goy to tell a second goy to do the melacha for you (in this case, recording the class). but try not to do that, and instead look for similar lectures online or something.
Rav Shternbuch is the only big name posek I know who says it is muttar. But I would hesitate to rely on him when numerous others disagree, and rav moshe uses such charif language against one who does invite such people, calling them a “meisis.”
technical- even if you’re right that it is not a wife’s duty to cook/do domestic stuff, it is still common enough (especially among frum people) for a wife to do these things, that she should be assumed to. Acc. to bureau of labor stats I found online, on an average day, 40% of men do food prep or cleanup, while 70% of women do. Even among goyim, it is just more likely probabilistically that women will do the cooking. So why not expect that a frum girl know how to cook? Of course the guy can and should help her with chores, but the stats seem to suggest that despite feminism, women still do the cooking, so it’s a reasonable expectation. And Joseph might tell you that this is the way it’s supposed to be, although I’ll let him speak to that.
sam2- I imagine Nisht would say that your hypothetical is simply a setirah that could never happen. a “bona fide” gadol just wouldn’t say something evil, and if he did, then that would be a siman that he wasn’t as bona fide as we thought all along…
nope, that’s not how it works. see, there are two camps: 1. the guys who work and 2. the guys who are bnei torah and wear white shirts.
there is a dunkin donuts a few minutes away from penn station on 51 East 34th Street. it won’t make your drive (or walk) to javitz center that much longer.
mistama you need better jewelry. a baby can tell if something is cheap or not.
Abba-
Of course a morah is not a slave. you are also correct that if a sub is found, then the morah who left does not have to pay the school back. But every single morah signs a contract in September that she will work that year and be paid X amount in total– it is not a “freelance” job by the hour, but a commitment to stay the year. She is not a Poel that gets paid by the hour and can leave whenever. If you really believed that, then shouldn’t any teacher be allowed to quit at any time for any reason? Of course not, because a teacher is hired to work for the whole year, and is thus a kablan. see a similar case here: http://businesshalacha.com/en/newsletter/finish-job
Now, you could argue that a shidduch is a good enough reason for a teacher to break her contract, but I dont see how a teacher isnt a kablan.
isn’t there a halachic issue here: the morah is a kablan, and thus cannot renege on her commitment to work the whole year for a flat fee. If you make such a contract as a long-term employee, then you usually have to abide by it in halacha. What is the logic that a shidduch is a good enough reason for a kablan(is) to stop work in the middle?
gum does need a hechsher. the kashrus agencies (ok, ou, crc) online explain that gums have ingredients in their bases such as glycerin, rosins, etc that are often from animal products. just because you don’t swallow something does not mean it’s not a real food halachically (and thus doesn’t need to be kosher). for a rayah, see o.c. 202:15, which says that you make a beracha if you suck on a sweet stick. aiii, but it’s only sucking (so why make a beracha)? talmud lomar, it doesn’t matter, sucking is considered eating, and thus requires a beracha. So too, the thing being sucked has to be kosher.
Abba_S: are you asking about chewing tobacco? Smoked tobacco does not need a hechser; there is no maaseh achilah and reicha lav milsa hi. tzarich iyun about chewing tobacco- look at the ingredients for a start.
While I could make a case that dina d’malchusa applies here, at least according to the Rema, I don’t have to. Just saw that SA Even Haezer 50 states this: ????? ??????? ???? ????, ??? ?????? ???? ??????, ??? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ???, ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? ???, ?? ???? ?? ????, ????? ???????? ???? ??? ?????? ??????. (?) ?] ??? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ????, ?? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ????, ???? ???????; ??? ?? ??? ??????, ???? ???
To put it simply, all gifts (except for food and drink) have to be returned. I wonder what the sevara is behind this halacha- is this what the American concept of ‘in contemplation of marriage’ is grounded in?
if the jewelry was given “in contemplation of marriage” (this is a real legal concept), then the girl must return all of it to you, under NY state law and many other states. You were entirely within your rights to threaten legal action had she refused to give it back to you. that is also dina d’malchusa, which we generally follow when it comes to choshen mishpat. if you yourself feel guilty about how you acted, then by all means apologize and return the stuff, but don’t feel like you have to.
teshuva- that’s a very sad definition of leadership (not yours, but the one you assigned to many american voters). “Being polite to those who insult you” is actually a paramount sign of strength, ala hakoveish es yitzro. on that topic, check out this sunday’s new york times (i generally dont recommend it) interview with Trump. In perfect form, he once again insults a woman’s looks, calls his opponents rude names, and talks about his great golf courses. rachmana litzlan…
Not a good thread– ?????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ??????, ??? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????? ???
how one responds to “insulting questions” seems to me to be very related to one’s leadership and communication skills, and good middos. the future president will face plenty of people who don’t like him and say insulting things about him. if he can’t keep contain himself, that is a leadership problem.
while hashem himself and his essence is not moser nefesh, the way that he acts towards us is such that if the action were to be done by a human, it would be called mesiras nefesh. it’s the same deal with all middos of hashem. after all, hashem is not actually merciful, slow to anger, loving, kind, etc (see beginning of moreh nevuchim). he has no emotions, and therefore can’t really be moser nefesh or possess love/mercy/kindness the way we do. rather these middos are descriptors of hashem’s behavior and actions, that if they were carried out by humans, would be called as such.
that’s a strange story. maybe the rosh yeshiva was so sure the shidduch would work out, he considered it “zachin l’adam shelo befanav?” Otherwise, how can you put someone in that situation without their reshus?
these comments are awful.
if it isn’t your translation, then why not make that clear in your post? in any case, you will be meivi geulah l’olam…
in yerushalayim 40 degrees is considered “cold,” (even in jan./feb. its usually ~50 degrees) so you probably dont need a ‘very heavy coat.’ it does rain a bit though, so boots/rain jacket are good to bring.
I don’t have the book and I wonder what Rabbi Ribiat’s mekor is. I also don’t hear the chiluk you’re making to say that here muktzah isnt a problem acc. to the CI. If the rock was kicked on purpose, that is moving muktzah. If by accident and just through normal walking, it’s misaseik.