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“……Shafoch Chamoscho….. those are the Zionist….”

Great point.
Shefoch Chamoscho isn’t extant in any Aggadah prior to 1947.
Estimation is that even museums with a Judaica collection have no such Aggadah.
What a revelation.

“….ZG, you know nothing of which you speak…”
Joseph…. You’re not going to get away with this one. You’re lying.
I have a lot of connection to the neighborhoods I mentioned. There are too many people who know you invented a statistic….. A total fabrication… You think everybody is in Honolulu and slurp up your “facts”.
Ain’t happenin’ Joe…. Sheker.

“…. Pig skin is assur b’hanna’ah….”
Lol… , my understanding is that pig skin isn’t used anymore ,L’meiseh, bezman hazeh.
Koomt oiss that it’s
a sheilah if we’re goizer issur on the metziyus that is was once pig, and may be again. OR, since it’s faux ham, maybe the nekudah is that it’s stamm hefkeirus.
On the hand, baseball, which was enjoyed by many rabbonim including Rabbis Wein and Finkel Z”L ,
may be a be’riah bifnei atzmah and one may find a heter , even if b’dee’eved.
On top of that, it’s a sheileh whether just wearing a baseball cap, provided it’s not shatnes, is mutter on the streets or not. As long as it’s not a Yankees cap, says the …………… , there’s a sevoroh to say that it’s ok.

Nu, bleibt a kasha.

I’m not a football fan so I don’t care about the Super Bowl.
But just wondering , if watching it, or baseball or a hockey game can be compared to hanging out on streets “protesting ” , cursing, blocking ambulances, spitting and assaulting other Jews .
Wondering, because some who absolutely forbid sports find toirelach, chareeeefus and pilpul to excuse the latter behavior. Sporst, however, = goyim, avodah zara, blah, blah. dontcha know??

“Is the rest of the world crazy, or am I ? “…… Albert Einstein

Just another word on pixelation.
To its everlasting disgrace, a frum magazine just a few weeks ago , pixelated a woman in a Holocaust photo.
In other words, erased from memory and eternal memorial, a Jewish mother, wife, sister who was most probably on the way to being shoved into a gas chamber. Why? Which normal human male looking at the photo has even a shadow of any kind of lewd thought at that moment?
There’s a Holocaust museum now opened in Brooklyn, N.Y., calling itself Amud Aish.
Yeshiva World ran a piece on them a few weeks ago. I’ve heard it said that the museum does not show women’s Holocaust victims on exhibit.
So I posted a comment there asking for clarification, and this was their response:

“Amud Aish does not have such a policy regarding showing pictures with women in them. However, when showing such photos, we take into consideration two things:
1. Holocaust victim’s dignity
2. Communal sensitivities
Hence any photos, regardless of gender, are only exhibited with this in mind. We strive to present an accurate portrayal of the historic events, while ensuring that these concerns are addressed.”

To me, this reads like a politician’s press release and not definitively answering the question.
Does anybody know the answer ?

Keith,
We’re livening in a time where culture, good or bad, is being thrown into the garbage heap.
The progressive mindset , especially in academia and the arts is that great art, great books, great music, values, etc. from the past is mocked and in some cases demonized.
This holds true in the frum world also.
I learned in a frum, though not Chassidic nor strictly yeshivish yeshiva. Like most others, secular subjects were taught in the afternoon; sciences, literature, English, languages , etc. in high school.
Dickens, Shakespeare, poems, sonnets, plays …. and other classics.
All under the aegis of rosh yeshivos, rabbis, with parental approval. We took exams, and the dreaded Regents…. on the very desks where an hour ago, a big Talmud tome has rested . You’re correct in that there’s learning and value in reading history, studying the great classics and other great secular material. Just as smartphones/computers can used be used for negatives, so too can it be used for good.
Some rabbis known as “gedolim” also read theses books, and many more were very familiar with the history and classical music.
We live in an age of revisionism and outright lies masquerading as religion or frum, or whatever you want to call it. The famous Jewish publisher of the Talmud, Chumash, etc, which also publishes bios of rabbis have deliberately omitted this info. They have also refused to publish a RASHBAM in their new Bereishit chumash because of some mealy-mouthed excuse, when it was in fact published for hundreds of years.
There is now Photoshopping, pixelating and erasing photos of women whether they were mothers, wives rebbetzins or just old grandmas in magazines, rags, freebie tabloids, serious articles and individual paintings.
BTW, I’m FFB, and interestingly, a number of people whom I’ve known over the years who were, or came from BT families were in the tank with anti- secular book parade.
( Never let an ex—– smoker drinker, gluten , blintzes eater, drive you nuts) .
There’s good/bad , great/mediocre/…. atheistic/faith … sewage/gold … in everything.
Heck, you can see spirituality even in a baseball game when you set your mind to it.
Speaking of 1984 ,it’s almost here, in more than one way .

“I dont like blatantly selecting mamarei chazal to fit your narrative”
Define blatant, please. When is a selected meimar not blatant? …
What part of my narrative bugs you?
Don’t be disingenuous .

…. I’m pretty certain I saw it brought down in R’ Bachaya but maybe not in Ki Siso.

In the meantime, I found this :
The divine kabbalist, the Rama of Pano, presents a tremendous chiddush in Asarah Maamarot concerning the shape and image of the eigel. The source for his chiddush is the Tikunei Zohar (Tikun Sheini 5, 142a). The Rama of Pano writes: “אמרו עליו באגדה, שמחציו כלפי ראשו היה כתבנית שור אוכל
עשב, וכלפי זנבו היה חמור, והן שתי מדות בקליפה… ועל כלאים זה אמרו אלה אלהיך
ישראל”. They stated in the Aggadah that its upper half, toward its
head, resembled an ox, eating grass; its lower half, toward its tail, resembled a donkey. These represent two elements of the klipah . . .

Akuperma_____________ Right on.

Remember the Dem convention 6 years ago when they booed G-D & Jerusalem.
So from the ” A mentch tracht und Gutt lacht” files, Jerusalem has been declared as the Jewish capital
and the Veep proclaimed the Shehecheyanu in the Land. Hashem’s hand in Jewish history is evermore being seen by those who want to see.
Interesting commentary I read : The Golden Calf was half heifer, half donkey.
So it’s time our brothers understand the symbolism of dancing with the DONKEY.
I haven’t heard anything negative about the ELEPHANT.
Have you?

“…..spend Pesach in Jerusalem’s Plaza hotel?” Or are they thinking,….. “

At least they’re not off to Boiberik , Lake Titicaca, Biyalistock and such , spending fortunes & helping the economies of some Jew hating countries. There’s a better chance that at Shefoch Chamoscho, when they open the fancy doors of the Plaza, that Eliyahu Hanavi will REALLY show up and give the 3 days notice. At least they’re aiding & abetting parnassas for Jews.

“…..The frum ones only yell at people….”
LOLOLOL
Yossel, You typing that with a straight face?
LETZ even say that that’s all they do…. IAre klollos and foul languaged pakshivillin permitted?
Watch him come back with eppes a meimer from somebody.

“…..Many Chardim are calling names to soldiers….” AND assaulting them physically.
What we need are rabbonim who follow the Torah’s dictate of Lo Soguru Mipnei Ish,
and in loud voice ask : RASHA…. Lomo sakeh es Reiyechu ? as Moshe Rabbeinu did. All the while keeping in mind that Dasan & Aviram were no angels as per Torah’s continuing narrative.
Some are silent because they approve, some don’t care all that much, some are afraid of the Kol D’alim G’var thugs.
When they get their toilet water shut off, garbage stinks not collected, spigot of $$$ from Jewish State pinched, mail delivery halted, it’ll all stop. Patience, my friend, patience.

… Forgot to say… Yes, he got everything he didn’t want… I mean EVERYTHING… Somebody UP THERE be laughing….

Halevei that should be your worst concern. We’re all attracted to different things, some “offbeat.”
Hence, there could be someone going who’ll go absolutely bananas over braces, who knows?
On the other hand, if he only sees braces, you probably don’t want him anyway.

Words from my late rabbi, a wonderful person, of whom many might have heard of:

” A father-in-law should keep his mouth shut, and his wallet open.”
Presumably, that goes as well for mother-in-law.

… Of course, I meant “maseicho” as a drash, not the actual pshat.

Catchyourself,
Agree with you completely, that was precisely my point. My response was to Joseph who featured himself listening to “Jewish ” music while knocking Gadolhadorah .

Joseph says : ” Most of us here listen to Jewish music, which is still sold mostly on CDs.”

Oopah…!! Surely you mean lots of “secular” genre music with “psukim from Tanach” verses. ( I’m talking the last 15 years )
Plenty of “big” name Jewish stars who stole rock music songs whole, and glued Jewish words to them.
What constitutes Jewish is itself another matter of discussion. Jewish Sefardi music differs from Ashkenazi, at the very least in scales. In any case, most contemporary Jewish music is boring, all sound the same, imitations of one from another, uninspiring . Did I mention uninspiring?
Now I’m copywriting Chubby Checker’s ‘The Twist” into Siman Tov & Mazel Tov.
Get a lawyer if I hear you singing or playing it the next 2nd dance.
Anyway, “most” is guesswork.

LOL……Folks, this rabbi of Crawley is pulling your legs, or it’s kinda busy at the “beverage” counter.
He started this othre thread about crime in US. Vibes tell me this guy is bellylaughing with a tall Guiness.

Just remembered…. Rabbi Chaskel Besser , zichrono livracha.

The shita of many Litvishe gedolim was to be restrained, not showing emotions too much, keep a parve face. The Chassiddim, on the other hand, were more outwardly warm and friendlier. Rav Miller’s viewpoint reflects the former. Mussardig, stern. Chassisdim ? Warmer, shmoozier, just a different apprapproach . Pick and choose either one.

Joseph:
I’m not accusing her of anything. My statement about revision was meant for the current wave of bio books and articles revising and lying about famous rabbonim.
Ok, let’s talk about adults.
Most adults need friends and companionship. Maybe the rabbonim get theirs by the myriads of chassidim or chevras coming en masse to them; tishes, droshos, candle lighting, chametz burnings, gabboim escorts and the rest.
We, ordinary folks, don’t live that life, hence, we, adults need friends and companions.
Bnei Torah too. S-L-O- W-L-Y…. Bnai Torah too, however their friendship manifests itself.
Saw some rabbonim with their “cronies” sitting in the Swiss Alps on vacation a while back, all over YWN.
I didn’t miss any point , Joseph. I’m alert, oriented and awake, and disagree with Rav Miller on this, and other viewpoints as well. I’m not his groupie.

Chabadshlucha,
Did you go past the 5th grade?
Humans are sometimes called animals in certain contexts.
Read your Chabad literature a bit more deeply. They also refer to humans sometimes as animals.

…And Chira wasn’t even Jewish, while Yehudah was one of Shivtei Ku..
Now if Chofetz Chaim didn’t need friends, fine.
Most of us do, at least be with other humans and let’s be honest about it and not pretend, or be anxious that there’s something wrong with it. Nothing’s wrong with it, it’s healthy.

Anyway guys… Have a Happy Chanukah, there’s nothing more here to say or stay.
I prefer to look at the NOW & future of Eretz Yisroel, instead of the irrelevant arguments of the past.
Prefer to acknowledge the rabbis who were correct over those who were wrong.. Prefer to acknowledge Hashem’s nissim, especially at this time of year , instead of finding fault, instead of regurgitating meraglim propaganda. Prefer to hope that the secular will become a religious group via methods used by Rabbi Aryeh Levin, Zechuto Yagen Aleinu, rather than curses, spittle, and pulling frayed, yellowed pamphlets of failed shittas to disparage, rave and rant.
To humbly acknowledge that Hashem has come back , has not forgotten, is behind the dizzying success of Eretz Yisroel and the critics are being designated to the trash heaps.
Oh…. Please be careful about what and how you speak of Eretz Yisroel… Don’t wind up , as millions did, in Mitzrayim during Makas Choshech.. Who were they? what were their names? Nobody knows.
Or cares.
Chag Someach to all.

Joseph @ 10:11

Your comments are part sheker v’chazav and part, out of context. A Torah Jew like yourself should know that Midvar Sheker is a d’Oireiseh. Oversimplification and omitting truth factoids are also, and forever, sheker.
Have a lovely evening.