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joseph,
1.) Did you read what I wrote about Uganda, or are you pretending?
2.) So mema nifshach,: If you don’t believe in a State, what’s your tummyache with Uganda?
If you do believe in it , what’s your beef with the State? Even if 100% frum , you
don’t want it .
3.) Be careful of your curse words Mr. Torah Jew. Hopefully, they don’t come back to bite you.“…. Lol hertzel would be turning in his grave….”
Please do a favor, and stop repeating the lies and sheker about Herzl. Instead pick up a few books about him and then judge.
Yes, Herzl was born into a secular family and didn’t know better. At first, he DID urge conversion when he saw the anti-Semitic Zeitgeist and was hurt by it. However, he slowly evolved into a spokesman for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in then” Palestine”. He pleaded with kings and sultans, princes and movers/shakers to get/buy Turkish Palestine for the Jews.
He was traumatized by the vicious pogroms. to the point where he was willing to move Jews to Uganda, Argentina on a TEMPORARY basis. Where were the frummies then? Can somebody show me evidence of any prominent orthodox anti-Zionists rabbi who called for any kind of Yom Tfillah? Fast day maybe, for the murdered brethren and assaulted women of eastern Europe??
He had Wolfson, his deputy, a religious man read the posuk of Im Eshkochech Yerushalayim at one on the Congresses. He asked to be buried in Eretz Yisroel. He died very young and he was drawing nearer and nearer to Yiddishkeit, having also met with prominent rabbanim and rebbes, many who supported him.
Please already, everybody stop blasting and besmirching this man with false information . You’re drinking and wallowing in stale Kool-Aid.
At one point, a frum liar reported to the Chabad rabbi that he, Herzl, drove on Shabbat into the old city of Jerusalem and the rabbi reacted with disdain against Herzl . What sheker!!!! Herzl was ill with fever that Friday eve, and Wolfson persuaded him to get out of the horse and buggy and WALK into the city out of respect for Shabbat , which he did, but needed to spend the day in a shabby hotel in bed. These are the FACTS, but why bother with facts when they’re inconvenient and bothersome ? When they destabilize a wishful hate and lashan hora appetite against Zionists?edited
kj chusid,
Suddenly a defender of Chabad, huh?
Your boys hanged the latest Chabad rabbi in effigy R”L on Purims in the past, remember?“…This recognition makes the Zionists happy but has no value to Torah Jews….”
Speak for yourself and only for yourself.
My Torah references Yerushalayim so many times as G-D’s abode, my Amidah, the most important tfillah, 3x daily , mentions it. Which Torah are you writing about? Not ours.
Torah Jews? The 10 meraglim, maybe? THOSE Torah Jews?There were thousands or terrorist attacks including murder , especially when Obama, the ant-Israel leader was prez, over the last few years. If there were none, one might understand some comments above.
This is an awesome moment from Hashem, but we still and all, daven daily that no person should get hurt.
The creation of the State in ’48 was likewise a decree from the Almighty, regardless of the arguments made against it by rabbonim, anti-Zionists. Unfortunately, the most “prominent” names in rabbanut who were anti-Zionists are always put forth, but there many who saw Yad Hashem in the creation of the State and were pro-Zionists.. Many frum were talked out of Aliyah, many perished in the Holocaust , secularists built the country when there could have been much more of the frum shaping it their way.
With all respect to the Chabad line of rabbis whom opposed the State, although they were pious and tzaddikim, their instructions are irrelevant.
Ezra made Aliyah with mechaalelei Shabbos, intermarried people and yet the Bet Hamokdash was built.
Korush , the Persian non-Jew was inspired by Hashem to help built the Temple and was called Moshiach.
Face realty once and for all.
You & I do NOT know the ways of Hashem.