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tomim tihye:
Why didn’t you feed him Pas and Shoskim?
They have to learn, to be able to mix into the conversations here…
Seems to me that Chachamim knew what they were doing. The Mrs., as smart (she truly was) and devoted as she was, didn’t and couldn’t understand the inestimable great merit and benefit the generation begets by having a Tzadik as such living (or just barely living) in it’s midst. Hence the decree of ?? ????? ??? ?? ????? ????.
More: I chas v’sholom had no intentions to that, at all.
I just meant, that’s a slight way how to get things done. I’m talking (OK, writing) from first hand experience. When I come on here, everything else fades into oblivion!
Actually that was a ‘machlokes’ between Rabbeinu Hakadosh’s maid and the Chachamim.
??? ???? ?????? ??????? ?? ????????
How to keep on task?
BY NOT POSTING HERE ! ! !
Why can’t you send vacuum packed ????? ???? ????? cans?
MODs: I really don’t know how you let 646’s chutzpa toward Rabbonim go through. ????? ?? ???? ???. This is starting to look like some other site I ran from.
tahini:
Just in case you read the English language, this topic was about this menuveles. Just her, nobody else. Nobody is comparing her to anybody anything anywhere. OK?
Who was the one to mix it in. HOW DOES THAT COME IN???
It’s just interesting to note how people get so sensational about one topic, it gets repeated over and over, this one about Kovod Shamaim receives no such equal response. “No one is whitewashing…” Oh really? Have you seen a bit of her filth? IT SHOULD MAKE YOU BLOOD BOIL!
?? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ???? ?? ?? ???? ????? ?????
OK?
HaShem is still higher than any mortal. He deserves the utmost respect. Anything written to mitigate the tremendous, widespread, far-reaching Chilul HaShem she did, is a step in the wrong direction.
Yeah. The famous: “We’re sinking! We’re sinking!”.
“Vat are you sinking about?”
Hi Shadchan. It’s me, the one you’re embarrassed to have any commonality with.
Again?
Please read before attacking. This is not just an author of a book. This is one who went out ?????? ??? at a campaign to smear HaShem and the way of life He ordained. Not only the book. Any venue possible. It was literally “in my face”. OK? You hear me? IN MY FACE. Media, web, newsstands and her publication, With one intent.
As for those who have proven to have seriously hurt individuals, I do not know them. Never heard about them. Never tried in my court. They never came to me to publicize their craze. In fact I don’t even know who you’re referring to.
All these people keep ‘hacking’ is why I stand up for HaShem’s honor, if there’s someone somewhere else getting victimized. Hear that? How could I be moche for HaShem’s PUBLIC DISGRACE, if someone somewhere, which I don’t know about, could be is getting hurt.
It’s three days to Purim. Wait.
soliek: I was referring to ‘haifagirl’, she’s obviously from …
Malki Tzedek
Seeing other peoples’ “cringes”
No.
I’m not.
I wish I were.
Working to get there.
It just gets to me, it eats me when someone goes overboard on public (as public can be) rampage, a vicious campaign to besmirch, denigrate the image of my Creator, my Torah, my People. So I stand up. I sound off, too. If not for other people, then for myself. So that her disgustingness should have no effect on me.
That’s all. Can nobody understand me?
Am I on the wrong site?
How do you know what he found? From your screen name it appears that you’re quite a distance away.
All old posters coming back here, aren’t they waking up…
Sorry, ‘peacefull’ is not me. Neither is Joseph. Neither Eclipse. It’s been discussed, deliberated and resolved earlier. (Mod80 can vouch) I do not use trickery to prove myself. Never did. Never will (??? ???).
Just plain ZeesKite. (still working on it)
p.s. if you’d know me in real life, you’d burst out laughing at whom you’re arguing with. Again, I’M REALLY NOT WORTH YOUR FIGHT!! But again, I guess that’s one of the benefits of anonymity, enabling you to think I’m an educated personality. HA!!!!
MP: You know me?!?!?
Toi: I sincerely hope you didn’t mean to denigrate a klal
It could be, maybe, there’s nothing wrong with getting a Brocha at the time of giving tzedakah.
I’m not anyone to be addressing the great Posek Coffeeainu, but maybe could be where the gemarah (I use The Illustrated, Little Gemarah Says) says ??? ?? ???? ????, indicating that it’s permissible, means even commendable.
Health:
Kindly, please, tone down, slightly. Again, there is no mitzvah to hate a mumar lta’avon. No. After meeting some requirements, it is PERMISSIBLE – for the benefits specified in the Chofetz Chaim.
A mumar of porek ol, does not need any requirments, and is a MITZVAH.
LOOK IT UP! PLEASE, LOOK IT UP, then correct me if I’m wrong. (I do not want to call people here names in an argument, it won’t do anything to get my point across)
More:
You have anything against my education? I was schooled by one of your chasidishe schools. Learned spelling, grammar etc. I wholly agree to what ‘Early Bird’ says. In fact very often even secular education of chasidishe yeshivos /schools surpass those of the public school system.
Maybe you should carry a “Keep back 200 Feet” sign.
Get a middos workout – post a hot topic on the CR!
Get a car like mine; without a working horn!!
Health:
Did I post under a different name? Joseph?? I don’t know what you’re leading to with that. Honestly. I wish you’d stop with that.
About the difference between a molester and this menuveles, look again in the Chofetz Chaim. A porek ol l’gamri doesn’t need ANY requirements, in addition it is a mitzvah to ridicule, whereas a murar l’ta’avon, even muchzak rasha lta’avon does need some requirements. Again, not my own, look it up.
And, as a personal favor, kindly refrain from calling me over & over such titles as “Megaleh Ponim..” Thanks
Health:
Again ({and again and..}) – you don’t have to call me any names or be upset with me. Neither a megaleh ponim, nor a Joseph(!?! – where did that come from?). I’m not in this to fight, at all!!
Getting back to my point – as you yourself so well repeated – a mumar lta’avon, muchzak, as a molester, still need requirements. As you’ve stated “as long as you don’t make more than it is..” A porek ol does not need any requirements. Kindly correct me if I’m wrong.
As far as your referencing to Gemorahs that say about whom HaShem hates, I don’t think it’s brought down ANYWHERE, in any sefer halacha or mussar, as a Mitzvah for US to hate those who HaShem hates. As HaLeiVi quoted a Gemarrah that says HaShem hates someone who walks suddenly into his OWN house (Nidda 16b). Many other things there too.
But it is a Mitzvah to hate and despise a rasha of porek ol – as per the Chofetz Chaim.
How I got to these Gemorrahs – I read it in The Illustrated, Little Gemarrah Says.. Searched for it in The Little Giggle Says…
How about the senseless decision to send an epileptic child to camp without any indication or warning in the least. Right! This child had an attack on the last day, in full view.. Campers and staff went beserk, on-grounds medical personal had NO CLUE.. Hatzola were rushed.. TERRIBLY IRRESPONSIBLE!!
Medium Size:
You don’t have to be unconformable with me. As I’ve stated over and over – I’m a professed know-nothing-at-all. You’re new here (at least your screen name), you don’t know me.
As far as you question to “enlighten you”
Chofetz Chaim says a ???? ??? ?”? does not need any ?????. Period. One does it for that purpose – ??????.
A ???? ?????? however need ?????. He’s not ??? ???? ?????. That’s your local molester. Nowadays, things have to be dealt with differently, given the nature of their illness/ cravings/ addictions, but halachah doesn’t change. Let’s say word must be out about a certain individual (halacha permitting), it’s not allowed to be done with malicious intent. All other ????? too, must be adhered to.
Look it up. Not my own. Chofetz Chaim. Sefer Hilchos Lashon Hara.
If you get a different psak, kindly let me, all of us, know.
Syag:
I don’t think I ever insulted you. I never intended to, either. Nor anyone else here. You keep harping and insisting that I’ve “resorted to calling people names”, ” rip a person apart”, “need to insult” etc. I don’t think that’s the case. Note the nasty tone everyone’s using here against me . Again – as I stated before I’m not in this to be bickering, name calling (I asked you where- still waiting), bashing. Sorry. That’s not me. If you’re so watchful for lashon hara (as per you sub title) you shouldn’t either.
Now, that being said, what part don’t you believe? You don’t believe she put it out all over the web for shame? LOOK! You don’t believe it’s in the media? LOOK! You don’t believe her evil intent. LOOK! You don’t believe she doing ??????? Again, just LOOK! She’s condemning herself.
For this you need Rabbinical authority, for the others you can be your own judge, prosecutor, executor – as you’ve written?
Feif: -” We have a rule that generations get weaker..”
No. Not necessarily. Definitely not a just cause to a movement to just do that (which, in fact, some break-away movements are doing). We’re doing ????????, trying to maintain the holiness and essense of Am Yisroel. So some look at it as “unnecessary chumros” etc., “rying to be more frum than everyone else”.. Like the second son “why do you need all that sweat, toil, work”. We look at it as an opportunity to come closer to HaShem.
Secondly, there’s a concept as ????? ???, where a generation has the freedom, convenience, atmosphere to be more medakdek in motzvohs than a previous generation.
Thirdly, to whom are you comparing our generation? To the dark early years of American Jewery? Would you too be mechalel Shabbos, just because the majority of Jews did it then??
One more, if I may. Think of us (Torah-true Jews) as Modern Orthodox. We have modernized our standards. Yesteryear things were OK, borderline, today we have become modern. Do you have an out-house? Donkey, horse for travel? Kerosene lighting. You’ve modernized. Right? I didn’t hear you complain “Another modern gadget?!?”, “Everyone’s trying to out-modern the other!!”
We too have modernized our mitzvos performance!!
When I went to English language lessons (either in Satmar – 4th grade level, or by the “Learn English” ads displayed on every NYC subway, meant to be read be one who cannot), I learned that there’s something like periods, capitals, sentences, structure. But I truly admire your humbleness, the lowercase “i”.
I’m still learning, therefore I can only write, not read.
Health; Syag; Medium Size
It seems like you’re all missing the main point. She is a ??????. She’s doing it out of spite. And it’s all public, as public as can be. All the media, all the world wide web, all the book-stands etc. There are many who HaShem hate, does not nesecerily mean we too have to. As HaLeiVi pointed out, their are many thing HaShem hates (Health, there are other Gemarahs too, this one could maybe be in Niddah), like one who walks in suddenly into his OWN house. Does that mean we too have to hate? No. But I think a ???? ??????? is permitted to dislike after warning him – and then catching him in the act three times. A ???? ?????? doesn’t need any ????. She may be in the category of ????? also, that depends where this leads to.
We’re bidden to love our ????? – our Torah kinfolk. If after reading all the web, media, reviews etc. you still think she fits the bill, then, as someone here wrote, what are you smoking…
And Syag, English is not even my second language. In fact I can hardly read /write it.
Can I join the stupid people’s club?
Does one have to STOP eating if one began earlier?
I once heard of a kula. PLEASE ASK, DON’T ACT UPON THIS.
If one is not in a “matzav” of davening, one simply cannot do it at the persent, and he needs kochos to be able to when conditions permit – that may be a heter.
Syag:
Just in time for ???? ???? and the ????? of Shaul. When Shaul couldn’t get himself to “hate” the king of Aggag, a Bas Kol announced “?? ???? ????”, we all know what the second Bas Kol came for.
?? ????? ?? ???????…
OK, The Torah says to kill out an Ir Hanidachas. WHAT?!? How could one do that? Aren’t we supposed to love every Jew etc… Such cruelty?!? Where’s our Rachmonus?
True and absolute mercy is where HaShem deems it so. Otherwise it’s not really the Torah-oriented Middah of Rachmonus, not really true mercy. That is the message of ????? ????. Getting rid of a Rasha is indeed mercy. For him and for the world.
As for me, someone is attacking me, My Creator, My Torah (NO SMALL ATTACK) – I’ll fight back. No. Now is not the time for asking sha’alos. Sha’alos one asks if one must hate a “Frum Faker”, an abuser, a spitter etc. She’s slapping me (big-time), I’m slapping back. Period. You’d do no differently.
And if they don’t put up your mechitza – will the poor get the money???
Health:
I find that extremely hilarious – “Funny you try to give the impression here in the CR that you’re a learned person..” Do I really try? Have you read ANY of my posts?? Others get a slightly different impression..
No. I do not try. I openly stated time and again, I’m not learned in the least. I’ll do it again – I’M NOT LEARNED AT ALL. Nope. Not a scholar. Not a Rabbi. Not a talmid and not a chacham (neither a combination). I’m sorry if you or anyone else got that impression. (To my understanding a gemarah has no nekudos, how would I know how to read)
Syag: Of who? w?s David Hamelech saying
??? ?????? ?’ ???? ???????? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ??? ??
Of whom was he saying ?? ??? ????? ?????
Of whom was it said ?????? ????? ???
And countless others.
YES. IT IS A MITZVAH TO HATE RESHAIM. Believe it or not. Look it up in sefarim. I’m not making it up.
Didn’t you ATTACK me when you PERCEIVED erroneously that I offended someone else? Didn’t you, and someone else, become incensed, hot, indignant, zealous towards me? WHY?? Why not only the message??? That is the point. When one feels closeness to another person he/she will ward off and unjust attack. – It get PERSONAL. One fights an enemy. Didn’t you?
And that closeness is what we’re supposed to develop towards the Ribonon Shel Olam.
Health: Kindly cool your engines. I’m not in any argument with anyone here.
I just subtly commented on your choice of words “I hope your hatred to Frum fakers is a least as great as …” You wrote it, not me. (Does that not imply that I must hate a Frum Faker more than a rabid hater of God?) No chutzpa intended. And yes, anyone can argue on what I write. That’s what this whole CR thing is made for! Kindly do!!!
Syag: You meant me? Have I RIPPED anyone apart? Have I called anyone names? I’ve resorted to calling people names?? Did I write any nivel peh? I humbly beg mechilah if I hurt anyone’s feelings.
Mr./Mrs./Dr. Health
You have a point. Do I hate all reshaim as much? Do I hate frum fakers as least as great as this one?
Let’s put it this way, one who the Torah and the Halachah says I must hate, then yes, it is a mitzvah, and I must develop an attitude as such. Is there a mitzvah to hate a “frum faker”? Don’t know. It’s not a ???? ??????. I would have to ask my Rabbi about that. But this one’s definitely a ???? ??????, if there was ever!
But I take issue with your wording. Which is what I’m trying to bring out all along. WHY IS KOVOD HASHEM ANY LESS then a person’s??? Should I really hold a person, ??? ??? in the same esteem I hold my Creator??? I should hate “frum fakers” at least as much??? A bit of kovod to your (MY) Creator is in store.
Count them. Out loud.
An ayin horah will make them less.
I also change my mind. (with who?)
>Perhaps Hashem would prefer that you err on the side of loving His children. Do it the Berdichever way.
Again (and again and..) loving His children means His children, where Torah and Halacha permit. Ahavas Yisroel is not a discriminatory blanket “love” for a brotherhood, club, union. It’s where Halacha permits, where one is deemed fit for ??? ?????. Otherwise your entire Ahavas Yisroel is not really true Ahavas Yisroel. ??? ???? ????? and ???? ??????? mean just that. Kindly look up in seforim, ask your LOR.
>I see no reason to hate her, just her actions.
Again (and again and..), seforim and halacha seem to indicate the opposite. The mere fact that one cannot get to hate a hater of HaShem shows something. (Would you love someone that just slapped YOU?)
>And you are bringing in Hitler.
I am. (I think I did, did I?) Her works of evil continue at a fast pace. Hitler is dead. His destruction is over. This evil person’s work at destroying Yiddishe Neshomos continues. It is viewed by many who are on the fringe… (I know this for a fact. Being questioned about some filthy lies contained there..) It proceeds to do it’s depraved creator’s intent. Its mass destruction continues…
.. And sometimes the way to heights is by hating evil, evildoers. I think there’s one mefaresh on the Torah, that that was the reason for ???? ?? ???????, to internalize contempt for a sinner. So in a case like this one must work himself up to ?? ??’ ???, despise and fight her and every filth she stands for, side with HaShem, feel for Him, be in sync with Him.
There’s a big difference between one who got turned off for whatever reason and this ??????. As I wrote before – HaShem is the ???? ?????? ????, He knows all the generations’ trials and inclinations. He put us into this darkest depraved period. He is ???? ?? ??????, if one r”l leaves nu nu, HaShem will patiently wait for his/her return. ????? ????? ???? ????, even if at the time of departure that person has such bitter attitudes towards —, it is, after all, HaShem who planted such moods, wants, urges etc. into the person.
This ??????, on the contrast, however stooped and muddled in her depraved base sensual exploitations, however animalistic, shameless she’s become in her mannerism, speech, expressions, public exposure – she’s actually at WAR against HaShem, His People, His Torah. No. This is not a phase, something temporary. This is in full capacity of her senses. She went through a whole publishing process, a whole media expose etc. at the express wish to get her filth out. No. This is not a standard OTD whim. This is in direct line with earlier (in)famed meshumadim. Malshinim. The worst. Welcome to the club!
Damage she has brought on with her work of evil and her appearances has and continues to be so great. Chilul HaShem by exposure to non Jew, and also (actually mainly) to Jew is nothing small to sneeze at. In Heaven, they don’t take to this lightly. As I wrote earlier ??? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ???. No – her story is ENTIRELY different.
You can’t get yourself to hate her? Well, hitler, you know, was also a person, he had a rough upbringing… Esav.. he just couldn’t hold himself in.. oso ha’ish, he too was a Jew, he had a rough upbringing (no father!)… Nimrod too… Someone actively chooses to side with ???????? To understand them??? ???? ????? ??? ?????? we say for regular sinners ( of the first type), of this type we say ?? ??? ?????? ?????. She is a RABID HATER.
I don’t know, maybe I’m one wrong site. I chose HaShem. Hear me all. Even if I have to be the ????, to only one.
I STAND FOR HASHEM!!!
cinderella:
Think about this. Sometimes in order to be honestly open-minded, one must have shielded his/her senses from external adverse sensualities.