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Thanks for asking. My walk has changed since the accident
DY, OP is referring to a differnt post that was made in the last week or 2 I was answering something LU was referring to,
It is unfortunate that recently I caught someone behaving inapropirately with some of the teenage girls at shul (Though not actual molesting, but defiantly against halacha and not behavior appropriate for a frum man to do with a teenage girl who is not his daughter in Shul) and it seems it wasnt the first time he has behaved inappropirately in shul
I have zero tolerance for such matters
If some “Rav’ requires that a molestor run free, I will get another Rav.
There are plenty of Rabbanim who hold that a molestor must be removed from the community
And I take issue with jews who refuse to admit that Molestation is an issue in our community and those who do such things must be weeded out.
LU
Actually no, because the money they stole from the jews was used to kill other jews and other people
About 30% of the cost of World War 2 was financed by money the Nazis stole from jews
That is a differnece between us. You think if I let the teen win, I am surrendering. I look at it very differently. Should I battle over a pair of shoes that covers the ankles or should I battle over a blouse that does not fully cover the elbows.
If you want to battle both, that is your decision, however too many of these battles if you win, the teen will begin to hate Yiddishkeit and then you lose the war.
Id rather lose the battle over the shoes that covers the ankles than lose the war
I removed the last post because it could have been misinterpreted
The idea of a bribe is that someone likes money more than the item (or person). there are some people who are such ideologues than they cannot be bribed or they just take the money and dont do what you want.
The nazis generally said they would take bribes, but frequently did not release the prisoner and it was just a way to take money from jews
I actually was replying to those who said for her to “Grow UP” or called her out for wanting to be rebellious.
And my opinion has nothing to do with taking this teens side, it has to do with being realistic. If an atmosphere is created where someone resents yiddishkeit, that is a receipe for OTD. Pick your battles wisely, Battling everything is a losing proposition
I read it as well and Ive also read non-jewish sources as well.
After reading the sources and the comments, I suspect the biggest problem has been that they are related to Trump and alot of people dont like Trump and channel their anger towards Ivanka and Jared. Alot of those people do not like religion either and are using this as “religon is phony” and those same people if they had not gone would have said “Religon is more important that their fathers becoming president, What extremists they are”. There is no argument for them.
As someone who happens to have teenagers living in their home, I am not so naive when it comes to them.
You have to know when to be strict and when to be lenient. Being too strict is just as bad as being too lenient.
Rebelliousness is a part of being a teenager, its part of growing up there is nothing wrong with it, Stiffiling it doesnt work. Good parents and good teachers will realize this and channel that rebelliousness to positive outcomes.
In public schools they will try to channel those things into band , art , acting , sports and other extra curricular activies. Unfortunatly there are few outlets in the frum communities to do the same (and this is also in the more modern communities as well. Its something sorely lacking on all sides)
I think it is goyish and poor chinuch to have off on Sunday. Someone once tried arguing with me that a girls’ job is to be home helping her mother, not sitting in school learning.
Sunday is what I call “family day” where we go out as a family somewhere. IMO its poor chinuch not to allow familes to spend time together and shabbos and Yom tov doesnt really count as there is a certain confinement that doesnt happen on sunday (Like going to the Park, Museum or some other activity that does not cause people to be on top of each other)
Actually the boys schools are stricter, They girls have at least a little outlet, the boys do not.
If a boy is a poor learner or doesnt like to learn, frequently they are not given a choice to seek other kosher avenues
I am very aware its not the shoes, its the whole package, but I stand by my statement that when you stiffle all freedom, one day it very well might explode. The shoes seem to be the rock the broke the camels back
What needs to be done is fine a way to express some freedom without giving too much, let some air out of the balloon.
There is difference between “rebelling” by wearing differnet shoes and rebelling by smoking Marijuana
JMO here yeshivas and girls schools expect everyone to be a conformist and not everyone can be a conformist. if you are a non-conformist it can be hard to fit in and non-conformism is looked upon as a negative trait.
Schools do need to look at this philosophy and realize its ok to be a little non-conformist (A LOT of non-conformism is not good), but a little is fine
While I would like to brag that I was friends with Jared Kushner. Alas I cannot make that statement. Unfortuantly I have never met them
Family relationships can be complicated. I know of someone who was a BT and had a brother who was going to get intermarried. her mother told her she had better be at that wedding or she was going to get cut off (She was not in a position to refuse her mothers help…Not everyone is able to get cut off and her choice of spouse did not please her mother)
I can also tell you from other expeiences it can have tensions
LU always mentions Daf L’zchus.
Perhaps we should take her advice
Most jews dont keep Shabbos
BTW the Trumps themselves never mentioned any heter, it came from other sources
The issue for me is not their personal level of observance; it is, first and foremost, the claimed “heter” which, even if theoretically legitimate for this situation (although it makes no sense as reported), is sure to be copycatted in other situations.
there are 2 avenues for the Heter, Pikuach Nefesh and one I had never heard of before Something Malchus (Something to do with being involved with the government)
Both do make sense. It is not the same as someone wishing to get someone to drive to the beach on Shabbos
OOT – Out of town
When Hertz was published there wasnt an orthodox press and at that time conservative was closer to orthodox than they are today
Not all victims of molestors are girls, many are boys.
If you wish to call a Shmiras Halashon if a known molestor attends your shul with your nieces and nephews (Or any other relatives), go right ahead. I will protect my family first and if it means I did an averiah, I will take that averiah. Better I take such an averiah than anyone become a victim
And people who cheat in their taxes (I dont mean take an illegal deduction, I mean serious cheating like not paying sales taxes or paying employees in cash) are likely to be dishonest elsewhere as well
I did not use the LH argument, however to answer
There is a differnce between LH of someone who is not relgious which is between him and hashem , That is for hashem to decide. If you want to say Kol Bnei Yisroel Averim Zeh L’Zeh. fine but that is more indefinate and indirect than anything
However someone who cheats or is an absuer is a menace to society. Even I dont know the person directly. i might know of someone who does know them and they would need to know to stay away from that person
Not all chassidim have a Living Rebbe
Lubavich and Breslov do not currently have a living Rebbe
Rav Menachem Schneerson was the last Lubavicher Rebbe and there was no successor
Breslov feel that nobody could replace Rav Nachman the grandson of the Baal Shem Tov.
Since its ok to speak Lashon Harah about people who publically break shabbos (If you dont belive there was a heter)
Is it also Ok to speak Lashon Harah about people who molest? Abuse, Cheat in business or taxes or other averiahs
Some shuls are also more open to women attending than others
You might want to consider one that is a bit more welcoming to women (Welcoming to women doesnt mean mixed seating or women getting Aliyahs, Its more if the shul has baby sitting so women can daven and if the women section is in a place where they can hear the chazan clearly)
I dont know where you live, but you can try several shuls. Some neighborhoods have 10 Shuls or more
There are 2 Soncino Chumashes, The Hertz Chumash which has the non-jewish sources and the Hirsch Chumash which doesnt have them. The Hirsh is alot rarer than the Hertz ones as that came after and I think Soncino went out of business. Art Scroll took over that business
The Soncino Chumashes are Blue
Most shuls kept them until they were not usuable anymore. But Im sure some still have them. A New Artscrool Chumash is $20-$30 and no reason to replace until they are bad. It is not cheap to replace 100 or so Chumashes
DY
In their defense other than Ivdu D’chol and assuming that had a heter for the secret service to drive them (Which is a real possibility) they did not seem to desecrate shabbos. The whole events have photographed so if they did do actual melcha, someone would have likely seen it
Even the church attendence. they did not hold the prayer sheets (as noted by newspeople) and did not pray with the other people
I was answering MW’s direct question about if someone should listen to Rav Schter over a random CR poster , not about OO in general.
It depends on what your defination of Daas Torah is.
Are you asking the Rav if Quinoa is kosher for Passover or are you asking the Rav if you should buy that house on 46th St in Borough Park
I heard a shiur from someone who runs one of those sites and he said the questions he gets online are different than the ones he gets in person
It seems there are certain questions people will only ask anonymously online and never ask in person, He gave the types of questions people will only ask anonymously however I forgot exactly what kinds they were, but they were just as important as the ones they would ask off line
Nobody knows who the Shaila was asked of, The whole issues as I understand it came from an Israeli news source, not from the Trumps
While it wasnt on Shabbos, I know there was a debate about Rabbi Johnathan Sacks attending the royal marriage of Harry and Kate.
Again I dont know who made the decisions or if he was obligated to go or not
I have no idea why they went
This is just a guess on my part. I have nothing to back it up, but being that they are in the government now , maybe they had an obligation to go. Just like they went to the interfaith service on Shabbos. I dont know the reasons why they went or if they even had a choice
It is not an eyeraising Psak.
People in government need to obey security procedures. Political Assasinations are a real threat.
It would likely fall under the category of Pkuach Nefesh
Giggling and Laughing can be done deliberately. People can do silly things
And there is definatly more room to say that laughing in public is more untznit than angle boots
LU
No Posek has come out and said Ivanka wasnt jewish and that the conversion wasnt valid. Rav Shecter was on the Beis Din who converted her and the Chief Rabbinate of Israel has also said the conversion was valid.
The Rav Schecter thread about marrying whomever your Rav says is missing alot of key information. We have no proof that he said that about random people. It was likely a reason that he said 2 specific people should marry and with a reason.
BTW It seems the Parade was running late (Likely due to Secret Service) and will end after shabbos starts
There is no real way to plan these things
CT
The inuagruation is a day long event going into the night, its not just the swearing in ceremony.
the parties afterward are actually quite important. Even if they arent legallyn required, they are the “Minhag of the Medina”
LB- that is one of the problems with the movement -that he is not following Daas Torah and simply deciding things on his own. That is one of the ways that you can determine if a Rav is reliable or not.
I do not belive that either Rav Schecter or Rav Lichtenstein ZTL belived in Daas Torah either, and they are certainly gedolim (Or was in Rav Lictensteins case)
OO is not an organization, its just a loose movement of a few shuls somewhat related to Hebrew Institute of Riverdale and Yeshiva Chovevei Torah.
Obviously this about Ivanka Trump.
This is not a normal party by any standard. And the Secret Service is involved
If the principal made a rule, that there is no laughing in school because its not tzniut and a bunch of the girls were giggling over something, Does that mean they all did an averirah?
Just because a principal makes a unilateral rule and its broken , doesnt make it an averiah. it doesnt mean you should break the rule either. Only its not an averiah
LU as you showed , Teens will break some rules by trying to hide things and that is why I think the rule is wrong, By making a rule that many will break behind peoples back and unless the principal is foolish, she knows many are breaking it behind her back. You are not creating Bas Yisroels, but rather lawbreakers who will find other laws to break as well.
I mean really is there a differnce between a girl who will pull down her skirt when the principal walks by and pulls it up and she is gone and someone who secretly owns a smartphone without a filter when the school has a rule, No unfiltered smartphones
I have a close relative who goes to a very well known frum girls high school in Brooklyn.
They have a new rule that the Girls cannot get drivers licenses (This is not a chassidic school and there is no rule that women cannot drive) She Dafka got her drivers license and make sure not to drive anywhere near the school
You are breaking a school rule, not committing an Averiah if you wear the shoes
I do not know what kind of school this is, but imposing unilateral rules without any reason isnt really such a good idea.
If its a more charedi school, probably wont make a differnce as most will obey, but more modern ones the girls will want reasons for the rule.
You also dont want people obeying rules in front of the principal and then disobeying them behind their back. That does not create such a good atmosphere (I have seen this too many times)
People all the time rebuke those who go to far with Kulos, but rarely if ever do they rebuke those who make too many chumras. The damage can be equal.. There is a slippery slope when you permit things that should be prohibitted as people might go down that road
However the same applies in the opposite way. If you prohibit the permitted people will find out it was just some chumra and that you lied and begin to question other things you have said, Maybe they were “Chumras” too