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Avram
I dont know about the Fried Onions, but I heard they served Pumpkin Pie for Dessert
As a side note I have never heard anyone until now claim thanksgiving was a Greco-Roman holiday. and it has nothing to do with the Catholics
The first thanksgiving involved Pilgrims who were far from Catholic and the Native Americans
The Agudah used to have their convention this weekend and they used to serve Turkey
“Harv Yitzchak Isaac Chaver was the Friendlier Rebbe”
The only ר יצחק אייזיק חבר I am aware of was a מתנגד, although a Mekubal and gaon בנגלה as well – he was a talmid מתלמידי הגר”א… certainly no “Rebbe”
Was there another one!
This is an example of people taking things too seriously
Ive been to those real outpost Chabad houses , the ones not in tourist areas and every drives to shul (The Rabbi asks everyone where they are from and when they tell him they live in a place that is 30 mins away by car, he isnt stupid) There is no way to support a chabad house with only 15 people unless there is a real givier when many places dont have
Anyone who talks of “Yichus” just remember the Yichus of King Manasseh and the Yichus of Rebbe Akiva
Chabadshlucha,
I always wanted to know how Chabad survives in areas that dont have alot of rich people or tourists. The kind of places that MAYBE you can get 10 men for shabbos morning minyan if you are lucky. It cant be cheap to rent a shul and have to look the other way when you know that people are driving
French is closer to English than Hebrew. About 1/3 of English words come from French. While it might be hard to speak it, many times if you see the word in print you can figure it out.
Hebrew and English are not that close and is therefore harder to learn
Harv Yitzchak Isaac Chaver was the Friendlier Rebbe
A More modern community did open up in Crown Heights, it was an extension from park Slope. That community built and Eruv and there was an unfortuante clash
The Alter Rebbe was sent to Jail because he opposed Napoleon. During the Napoleonic wars Napoleon spread the ideas of the French Revolution . He basically empancipated the Jews. The Alter Rebbe opposed the Emancipation of the Jews. The Alter Rebbe supported the Ancien Regimes of the European Autocrats epecially the Czar
And one could argue that the difference between Hasidic and non-Hasidic is largely historical, and in the future the major “line” within the frum community will be based on zionist/non-zionist or perhaps American/Israeli, and that Hasidic/Misnagdid distinctions are really a relic from the 19th century.
You already see the Yeshivish and Chassidish (Not Lubavich) getting more and more together . You saw at the Asifa Rav Matisyau Salomon working together with the Skulener Rebbe
What’s gimmel Tammuz? What’s yud tes Kislev?
I think one of these days , is the day the Alter Rebbe (The first Lubavich Rebbe) was released from Prison
And I think the other one was when the Fredericher Rebbe was released from prison
Its fairly decent now, but if you are coming in January or February it can get really cold
Yiddish is generally useless outside the immediate charedi areas, almost nobody who isnt charedi speaks or understand it
English in Israel is so so, especially outside of tourist area.
Also be aware that there is strong influence in Israel for charedim not to speak english , even if you come from an Anglo country (Native born charedim are considered OTD if they learn English)
In general when people use Chassidish, they dont seem to refer to Chabad, Chabad seems to get its own niche
I dont think Brezlov counts either
I will say the following that I heard from other rabbis, not the Halchic Hotline ones
They are loath to turn away any questions not matter how mundane because if you turn away someone for a mundane question, they wont ask the important ones
So why doesn’t the hotline rabbi tell the caller he cannot answer and he must consult his local rabbi.
I have never gotten a satisfactory answer for that question
Since I happen to have some inside information I can tell you for certain that while many of the Shallias are not really dependent on the person. I can tell you that many ARE dependent on the person. And you dont know what the question entails until you get it
The issue with the Hotline is the person behind doesnt really know the person and in many shaliahs there is more than one opinion
And yes, of course calling a random hotline for a life altering psak is ludicrous.
I have inside information about these halachic hotlines and I can assure that people DO call with life altering situations, some of the questions frankly are quite ludicris (Like the husband and wife disagreeing to evacuate Hurricane Sandy. The wife wanted to leave and the husband to stay)
There are more people sympathetic to the Activists side and sadly some of them claim to be orthodox as well.
More likely companies like Coke would take the “Ethical Hashghcha” which would be good enough for most people and they dont have to deal with the acitivists.
While its not hard to live without Coke, there are many more primary products that if the Activists manage to get removed it would greatly upset the kosher industry and even many Charedi Hashghchas who rely on the OU for Primary indgridents
Golfer, the Kosher consumer is a customer and so are the Activists. You think your business is more important to Coke (Or other such companies) than the activists business. The acitivists also have alot of sympathizers as well so that makes them alot more powerful than you think.
Golfer
Ill repeat what happens if the OU expels them and then the Activists tell companies Like Coca Cola, Nabisco etc that a “Phobic” company full of hate is part of their business. And those companies when given a choice between the OU and the activists , will take the activisits side and lose the Hashgacha, the problem will be much greater than a small renegade synagogue in the Bronx.
Best way would be to negogtiate some sort of “divorce”
What would be the worst thing if the OU kicked them out, if “Activists” started a campaign against companies Like Coke, Nabasico and other national companies telling them that a company they are associated with is -Phobic and demand they stop doing business with them. Many of these companies dont want to deal with a phobic company and then drop the OU and many products will lose their kashruth or worse this “Ethical” Hashghca will try to take their place.
For many people such products are their only access to Kashruth, they will eat non-kosher if its unavaible.
And Dont put anything past these “Activists” They will success.
TLIK
If the OU would kick out HIR, i can see members from HIR going to the NY Times, NY post all the NYC TV stations calling the OU all sorts of names usually ending in the letters -phobic and how evil they were.
We live in a time where not only is it acceptable to non be frum, Its acceptable to leave and when going out the door write a book or a blog post how evil those who kicked the person out are and have lots of people read it and belive it
SY
What we disagree on is that I dont think using the stick is always effective and has recently backfires. We are much better off trying to use the carrot (Yes the carrot can fail to) I just think people who are more on the edge of orhtodoxy need the carrot more than the stick.
One can always do tshuva for a personal averiah, Its much harder to get someone who feels like he was punished by a community
Its one thing to expel Avi Weiss and another to expel a shul. Expelling a shul many times will expel the members of that shul as well. There is no way to know if everyone who goes to HIR feels the same way about such events, they might just go there because they like the davening. However many here are assuming that if HIR is thrown out of the OU, those people will leave and go somewhere else, that might not be the case and people might turn against the OU vs turning on Avi Weiss and it will backfire
One always has to be careful about this, no matter how one feels on a particular issue
I have been to the smaller town/Suburban Chabads where they barely get a Minyan (Not the richer Chabads like Las Vegas or some other place where there are either alot of jews or alot of tourists) I have always wondered how they surive. Many of them are just basically renting office space in an office park, not near anyone
Chabad does alot of great things, I see posts when there is an issue and the answer is “Call the local Chabad”.
As great as chabad are, they have limits. They do not have unlimited funds and many of the chabad houses are struggled and only suirvive because of alot of mesiras nefesh by the people who run it. And many of these chabad houses dont have any more local connections than most locals.
Speak to Rabbi Moshe Weinberger in the 5 towns area
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If you want to see the Jews of NY
walk down the following Streets
Lee Ave between approx the BQE and Park Ave in Williamsburg Brooklyn
13th Ave in Borough Park Brooklyn
Avenue J and Ave M Between Ocean Parkway and Ocean Av in Flatbush Brooklyn
Main St between Horace Harding and Union Tpke in QueensEngland was never occupied or part of the Acis. I meant countries occupied by the Axis (Italy was part of the Axis, and then tried to switch sides in 1943 and the northern section was occupied by the Nazis and the southern section by the Allies)
Italy was also a safe country for jews (I think Italy had the highest survival rate of any decent sized jewish population during the war (It was either France or Italy)) in any country invovled in World War 2
The Netherlands is a nominally Protestant Country and Jews generally thrived there (Except during the Holocaust).
Sweden isnt relgious at all and its the most anti-semtic country in Europe
I am going to have to agree that when you have too many Asifas the message basically gets drowned out and people ignore
If you are going to eat in someone house and not pay for the food you have no right to demand anything
If you dont trust the Kashruth , then either dont go there or offer to pay for the food.
If the host is willing to go the extra mile you should appreciate the nice offer and accept, but you have no right to demand, If you dont like the house rules, go somewhere else
You seemed to imply the street is untiznus, but this time of year with everyone wearing jackets and coats, its not really an issue (If there is someone dressed untznius, its an oddity and not regular)
LU
I dont know about where you are located, but here in NYC area, most people are not dressed untzniut outside at this time of year, they would freeze. Its cold outside and its going to get colder
Avi K
Europe is a bad example because Language there is very political.
Chinese has the most native speakers in the World, but it is not a world Language, there are more people who can speak english as a second or 3rd Language than can speak any other language
I wasnt referring to the make up of the language, but rather the holiness of it. There is zero holiness in any language other then loshon hakodesh.
According to many there is a holiness to Greek, It was considered a miracle that the Septugent was written in greek exactly the way it was, so there is something special to Greek
What difference does it make if English is Holy or not. However it is important that english is the most important language on earth at this time. You cant really make a Halacha one can or cannot speak a certain language (It might work in a small area, but not in a larger area).
No real Rav would Ban the speaking of English in the US
sometimes i wonder if joseph is a fan of rav miller or an oponent of rav miller
You need to walk more than just around the block twice, you need to walk for at least 30 mins a day