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Didnt the Vilna Gaon think Chassidus was Kefirah
I didnt take philosophy or gender studies either nor do I know many people who did.
BTW didnt The Ramabam study Philosophy
Seriously if the community is such there there are too many people for 2 small stores and everyone cant fit in those 2 small stores.
Instead of making rules like times for boys and times for girls, why not just open more stores
Dont do the crime if you cant do the time……
I am one of those who thinks its TERRIBLE that yeshivas have school on Sundays.
Sunday is the one day of the week you can get out of the house with everyone , not be locked in the house with kids fighting. Spend time with your kids without the pressure of claustraphobia (I realize many love Shabbos, but when the kids get Claustrophobia it is NOT Fun)
You can go to the Park, Go to museum , Go to Zoo. Beathe some fresh air
What gets me for those who claim ASSUR is they many not even know what classes are actually taken.
Of course there are courses like comparative religions are other courses perhaps a frum person should not take, but most courses someone will take are pareve.
What is Treif about stuff like math, computer Science Physics , chemistry , Biology (If you take out evolution or Big Bang Theory which is only a small part of the sylabus) the rest is totalyl kosher, Since I took Physics I can tell you its mostly equations, and stuff like gravity.
I also took liberal arts especially American History and exactly what is Treif about learning about this great country that we all live in the Freedom to practice our religion as we see fit.
I will not comment on stuff Like Psychology as I am not interested in that and did not take that.
@miritchka I went to a modern orhtodox School, but for College I went to a secular college and I can tell you the first semester was a big of a culture shock and took some adjusting.
Its better to have this shock at a college in your freshman year than on the job
I did graduate from this secular college (as did many frum people)
Old time Satmar men dont wear shirts with buttons, they use Draw String Shirts
One should have bitachon, but you dont have the right to go in the middle of the BQE and expect Hashem to save you.
You should do everything you can to make sure you are able to make a good living.
Its almost impossible to get a Gun Permit and get a Gun in NYC.
Besides would you really want a gun in your house with 8 kids literally tearing your house limb from limb an finding everything
Correct, although there may be a basis for “Chanukah Gelt”.
I dont think when my kids ask for a Rebecca Rubin American Girl doll or an iPad they want “GELT”
A Bar Mitzvah (As practiced in 2011 with a Large Kiddish and Major party) are not part of our mesorah either
Giving Presents on Chanukah is not part of our Mesorah either
Are most of the Yeshiva and Seminary students there from “Out of town (Meaning Gateshead)”?
Thats a real hard place to get to, Its 250 miles from London to Gateshead .
Can someone explain how you have 500 families in Gateshead and 1000 teenage boys and 1000 teenage girls hanging out there?
Going to the Gym is Bittul Torah
<em > Due to a few strictly upheld rules, we have managed to keep the two genders apart and have thus far circumvented any disasters.
What disasters have occured in Borough Park (Brooklyn) Lakewood 5 Towns-Far Rockaway or Money (Rockland) because the stores are open to everyone
I think a BAR MITZVAH as practiced today is also a Post WW II American institution .
An older gentlemen told me in his day. Bar Mitzvah was he got an Aliyah on a Monday or Thursday (Not even Shabbos) and was allowed a shot of Schnapps after davening and that was it (Along with the Bracha by his father)
I recently made a BAT MITZVAH and my daughters school has rules about these kinds of parties(She goes to a fairly hemish school) (They allow them, but want them limited) I did not like these rules and made my own party as I saw fit.
I wanted a special party so my daughter would remember it, but nobody else would
HEMISH relatives who dont normally go to these parties and if they go, stay for the absolute minimum complimented me on what a hemish party it was, they stayed the whole party ate, gave dvar torahs and had a good time,
Rav Nisson Alpert was a Rov at YU
May Hashem comfort you with the mourners of Israel
I was talking to the Rabbi about this over Shabbos and I said this was the MOST IMPORTANT issue facing the community and the reason I feel this is because this can destroy us more than any other issue because this goes down to the Rabbanut itself.
I also said it was very important for this issue to be transparent and we really must see what is going on. (I wass talking about the closed meeting at the aguda convention)
We can all debate hasgafa and what is the proper way to act and behave but NOBODY will defend an abuser and in the goyish world even people who protect abusers are shunned (Look at the Penn State case, the GREATEST coach in college football Joe Paterno is person non-grata for protecting an abuser)
If people cannot trust rabbis to hand over abusers, how can they trust them for anything and then the whole system breaks down.
The cover up has occured for long enough, Its a shame it has been bloggers and the jewish week to expose them, had the bloggers not existed we would not know about these people and they would contunue their crimes.
I expect rabbis to behave better than Joe Paterno did
Its not ALL Rabbanim who are covering this up. Rav Mordechai Willig and Rav Oelbaum are not are are trying to clean up the system
BUT there ARE Rabbanim who ARE covering it up and they are not trying.
If a Rav knowingly let someone sell traif food under his hasghcha, would you defend them as much.
I am sick to my stomach
@msseeker the residents of the Warsaw Ghetto did not belive in Treblinka
There is a difference between respect and awe.
Lakewood IS a mixed community
It is Yeshivish with some Chassidim there
Bloggers and the Jewish Week have exposed the issue.
here is what I think should be done.
The MO was actually hit first with an abuse scandal and cover up. Rav Mordechai Willig was involved. 10 years later when it was exposed Rav Willig ADMITTED he made a mistake and when another incident came up to the RCA involving a well known name, They investigated the incident with an organization that investigates clerical abuse who found the allegations likely true.
The abuser when to the charedim who declared the RCA beth din null and void, But in the end the Rabbi was forced to resign. Rav Willig did NOT back down the second time and has take a zero-tolerance stand on the issue.
I know more than 1 Kollel wife from Lakewood who commutes to Brooklyn everyday
If you dont like a certain community standards you are free to move. There are plenty of other communities to live. If the sight of uncovered women in pants walking down central avenue bothers you while food shopping at Gourmet Glatt, then I dont think this Kehilla is for you. You are free to move to Borough Park and shop on 13th Ave and KRM.
Working for the o-u is different than OWNING a Hasghcha (Owning the O-U would be the same) and on a side note while the O-U does give restaurants hasghcha’s ts not the main business.
The ones who have had the most influence are the bloggers, I dont think there would be any movement on the issue without them
If one chooses to live in a community one must obey the standards. If someone chooses to live in Williamsburg, Its likely you would have to follow the Satmar rules for living there.
One cannot be more lenient than the community standards. I think most understand this
Just like one cannot be more lenient than the community one cannot be more strict than the community. If all (or most) of the Rabbanim in the community are part of some sort of Vaad, one is required to be a member as well and cannot distance themselves from the Vaad.
And this Rav DOES charge to be on his list,several people have independently verified this information to be
In Far Rockaway and the 5 towns there is ONE VAAD, There has been disputes over this as the people in the 5 towns are more modern and the people in Far Rockaway are more Charedi, but it seems some sort of compromise has mostly been worked out to get one Hasghcha for everyone and avoid the issues that have occured in Brooklyn.
However there is a Rabbi in Far Rockaway who refuses to abide by the rules set by the community standards (Which one is required to follow) and makes “His own list” that he charges the restaurants to be on.
Syrians are not really Sephardim, they are Eduth HaMizarath
In Brooklyn with 2 or 3 Hasghchas, If a Rav walks into a store WITH a hasghcha already acceptable and says I will tell my flock NOT to eat in your restaurant UNLESS you use MY hashghcha
What would you call that
If there was a Caterer in a Yeshiva with 10 kids and needed the Parnossa was suspected of cutting corners and serving non-kosher food and some knew about it because “He Needed the Parnassa” and later it was found out about it by many, There would be a ruckas raised over it. And what if the Rosh Yeshiva maybe heard the rumors that the caterer was cutting corners but chose to ignore them because he was a Baal Habatish person with 10 kids who needed the Parnassa.
Now after 10 years the truth is discovered that the caterer DID cut corners and served non-kosher food to the bocherim, Would such a Yeshiva be worth saving? everyone would be rightfully upset at the yeshiva and I doubt any would still try to pardon the offender.
And Sometimes when it comes to Kashruth some DO make accusations, maybe 5% of the accusations are true, but 95% are FALSE, but we say JUST IN CASE
So why when its an abuser do we feel like we need to coddle an abuser.
People speak about standards , standards of Kashrith, standards of Tzniut, etc, Why cant my standards be ZERO Tolerance of abusers
They have been trying to change the laws in NY regarding victims of clerical abuse. Almost all organizations are in favor of these changes EXCEPT The Catholic Church and the Agudah.
Why don’t you include in your allegations what those laws are? Huh?
Because they are not aimed at preventing future abuse.
Because they are aimed at bankrupting the organizations.
Now explain to me why you think a yeshiva which may have allowed abuse 40 years ago should be bankrupted? What good will be served by that?
In case you are all wondering- the Aguda opposes efforts to retroactively take away the statute of limitations for civil cases against organizations for allowing this abuse.
If I ever suspected anyone of abusing my kids I am going to the police, I am sure they have abused others and need to be STOPPED ASAP
On the other hand, there are neighborhoods where the VAAD, does NOT allow any hashgacha but theirs. So if an establishment wants the OU or Kaf K, the Rabbonim tell their kehilas NOT to eat there.
Since we can likely agree that the O-U or Kaf-K is Kosher (Ill assume most of not all eat from their stuff), then is smacks of extortion
If Hasghchas are always so interested in Kashurut and not other endevors why do restaurants in Brooklyn have 2 , 3 or even more haschga’s
Any Hasghcha more than one at a restautant smacks of extortion
People HAVE tried to be more open about the issue, they are mostly BLOGGERS
And what have some said about Bloggers?
They attack the bloggers instead of criminal.
Another place that has gone after criminals is the Jewish Week, Again people attack the Jewish Week and NOT the criminals
Frankly I was ashamed that it seems the Aguda convention spent more time bashing the internet and iPhones that it did on Abuse.
This is one issue I feel the laity is ahead of the clergy
Its amazes me people have zero tolerance for people who do not keep their haskafa 100%
HOWEVER these same people seem willing to give abusers leeway and make all sort of excuses for them
Have you ever made an excuse for someone who was Machalel Shabbos?
Rav Shach was not a fan of Chassdim
Does that mean we can quote Rav Shach on that topic?
The problem isnt the abuse, its the cover up
How about a Father-In-Law asking his Kohen Son-In-Law