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You might not agree with rav schecter, but he is still a Gadol and requires the kavod of a Gadol. Calling him a Kofer is a huge averah
You cannot have a language where words dont change
New Words are invented and older words go into dis-use
Simple example
New Word SmartPhone
Dis-Use Word : Rotary
The Concert has no Female Singers
There were 35,000 MARCHERS. The 250,000 was the crowd watching from the sidelines.
Not sure what you mean by “Clean Entertainment”
But the Cleanest thing I can think of is the Circle Line which is a 3 hour Boat Ride around Manhattan
Alot of people did not pay for the Asifa (I didnt pay for Asifa tickets), for many the tickets were free , discounted and the transportation was heavily discounted especially from Lakewood.
I belive bus tickets from Lakewood was like $10 each round trip.
And even if you did pay for the Asifa, $10 is basically nothing anyway
Moshe Rabbeneu never stepped foot in Israel and the Old City of Jerusalem probably dates back to King Herod
250,000 Jews a REAL Asifa and there were all kinds there unlike other events and none of the revelers were forced to attend (Maybe the kids MARCHING in the parade were forced, but not the spectator)
It seems AZ might be correct.
Before Shabbos the Relative who gave me the ticket to the Asifa called me (He is a rav is a major yeshiva)
I had heard he wanted to speak to me through the grapevine and had gotten my number (I usually only see him at family simchas) and certainly he knew my interest in this topic.
He did tell me that he saw a letter signed by Rav Wosner himself where he allowed internet WITH a filter and did not ban it entirely.
His own opinion was that perhaps Rav Wosner was not told the whole story on the internet and probably never used it himself and did not see the other side (Like there are those whose incomes depend on it)
Yom Yerushalim is a day when some have taken upon themselves to say Kinot
If you want Chizuk from the asifa, it should be Watch what you say and do in public.
With the emergence of smartphones with Video , everyone has a portable camera and video camera. Whatever you do or say can be photographed or taped.
I have quoted many statements from the Asifa and people did not belive me, I told them if you dont believe me go watch the video on youtube.
People seem to be trying to change the speech of Rav Wosner. You Can’t he said it , the proof is there.
You can watch the video. I dont even think many of the organizers even understood this, and had they understood might have vetted the speakers a little better and explained to them that whatever they would do and say would be broadcast to a large audience than they ever could have imagined
I dont belive for one second the Psak has be backtracked
I was at the Asifa and I was listening to the Yiddish speeches
I definately heard the words Internet and Filter
Since when was Internet and Filter YIDDISH words?, Someone made them up and added them to the language
Anytime there is a spoken language, words get added, words get removed, meaning of words change.
All Ben Yeduda did was try to get Hebrew somewhat up to date and be able to be spoken
I do find it interesting that those who claim Ahavas yisroel use personal attacks against valid critiques of the Asifa instead of answering those critiques directly
K9 is free
ZK
Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky was against the Asifa
One of the Satmar Rav’s was against the Asifa
Rav Mandelbaum in Lakewood as against the Asifa and mocked it
Exactly how is it mocking Gedolim that the Oilim doesnt speak Yiddish and cant sit down for 4 hours of speeches in Yiddish by speakers you could barely understand even if you did speak Yiddish fluently.
How is it Keferia that people came out of the Asifa totally unclear what the message was, there was the message that the internet is ok with a filter and the next speaker banned the internet entirely calling it the Chochma of Behamos.
AZ
Where do you have the information that Rav Matisyahu did not support the Psak
One doesnt have to believe me what happend, However in the internet and SmartPhone age everything is documented.
Its alot more difficult nowadays to let anything slip by.
And there were lots of people taking pictures, taking videos of EVERYTHING going on at the Asifa. Nothing went past anyone.
I am fairly certain that at least some of the videos of the asifa were made by people in the stands and uploaded to various websites.
There are videos of people using their smartphones during the speeches and there are videos of just normal people doing whatever they were doing.
ZD: Many people were in tears at the stadium. Almost all voluntarily came for the chizuk. Many of those whose Yiddish is weak (or nonexistant) were having their neighbors sitting next to them explain the droshos. Many cancelled their internet the very next day.
I dont know what Asifa you were at, but I saw people DURING Rav Wosner Psak using their smartphones (and I mean ALOT of people)
I saw people talking to their friends, basically ignoring the speeches
I saw alot of people behind the stand sort of exploring the stadium (Many had never been to a stadium before)
And I saw alot of people leave early (Those who could because they came by themselves)
There were THOUSANDS of Tweets during the event with the Tag #Asifa and many were not very kind from the Asifa itself
It seemed to me that the Rabbis who spoke were against the internet even with a filter? Can someone who understands Yiddish please verify this
I understand very little Yiddish, but I did hear constant bashing the internet in Yiddish (The Language was foreign, but the message was clear)
I understood
The Internet is the Chochma of Behamoth
The Interent is the Tumah of Mitzrayimg
As someone who was there and spoke to people , Many came because they were communal pressures or curiosity.
many were not paying attention to the sermons especially the ones in Yiddish
What was the reason it was decided not to distribute this booklet and to cancel the planned exhibition at 5:00? Who made that decision and what was their concern that caused them to not want it?
There are groups who are opposed to the interent altogether , they were against the Expo and the booklets. In order to accomodate these groups they agreed to their demands
There are 12,000 Jews Living in Spain today, Most are from Morrocco
If Chalav Yisroel was TRIEF, then you could not eat in a pizza store that sells mostly Chalav Yisroel items, but has a few Chalav stam pre-packaed items
Spectator sports are NOT Assur.
Now you might not go and your Rav might recommend that HASHKAFICALLY you shouldnt go, but HALACHAICLY is not assur
I think this needs repeating if I havent said it before
Its been said about another religion (and the blank is about the founder of that religion), but you can change the words
I Love ______ , its his followers I cant stand
“Rav Harari didn’t speak at the Kinus since he speaks in Ivrit, and they wanted all the speeches to be in only Yiddish and English.”
Who are “they”?
And are you saying that if Rav Harari spoke English or Yiddish, that he would have been invited to address the Asifa?
And how do you know that he doesn’t?
I dont know if Rav Harari speaks english or not, I am sure he probably does though. However his shita is to speak at least in public in Hebrew a jewish language, just like there are those who say one must speak in yiddish because its a jewish language, he hold that hebrew is a jewish language.
Remember he is Syrian and yiddish is no more jewish to him than french.
Ive met a quite a few Charedi Sephardim lately and it seems they have adopted Hebrew as their “Jewish language”. I wonder what Rav Ovadiah Yosef speaks.
“They” is Satmar and related Chassidic groups who feel its wrong to speak english and even more wrong to speak Hebrew. As the Chassidic groups are larger than the Syrian groups and able to get more people to come, their position won out.
It is their Shita that its assur to speak Hebrew and its their position, who am I to argue, but its Rav Harari position that its proper to speak Hebrew
Going on the internet to give Mussur about the internet is like going into McDonalds and giving people Mussur about Kashruth while eating a Big Mac
Interesting how Rav Wosner gave the psak and NOT Rav Dovid Feinstein or any of the american Rabbanim.
(I cant say I can tell you which Rabbanin on that list go to which Yeshivot)
I have found among the Sephardim I have met in the US, Paris (France) and Israel generally speak Hebrew and another laguage (Usually Spanish French , Arabic , Farsi or English
I found this on Matzav
I know for a fact some of this Rabbanim did not represent their communities, At least one from my community is there but he is not the Morah D’Assra and doesnt speak for my community.
Interesting how Rav Dovid Feinstein was there and nary a word from him either
9:46 p.m.: Among the rabbonim at the asifa are the Skulener Rebbe, Rav Don Segal, the Novominsker Rebbe, the Vizhnitzer Rebbe of Monsey, Rav Aharon Schechter, Rav Yitzchok Feigelstock, Rav Shlomo Feivel Schustal, Rav Elya Ber Wachtfogel, the Pshversker Rebbe of Antwerp, Rav Zalman Leib Teitelbaum of Satmar, Rav Mordechai Dovid Ungar of Bobov, Rav Malkiel Kotler, Rav Yeruchem Olshin, Rav Dovid Schustal, Rav Yisroel Neuman, Rav Mattisyahu Salomon, Rav Yaakov Forchheimer, the Viener Rov, the Zibo Dayan of Montreal, the Dinover Rebbe, the Nadvorna Rebbe, the Rachmastrivke Rebbe of Yerushalayim, and others.
Updated: Additional rabbonim present on the dais are Rav Yitzchok Sorotzkin, Rav Dovid Feinstein, the Skverer Rebbe, Chacham Yosef Harari-Raful, Rav Shmuel Miller, Rav Shimon Alster, Rav Moshe Wolfson, Rav Aharon Feldman, Rav Elya Kanarek, Rav Elya Brudny, Rav Noach Isaac Oelbaum, the Pupa Rov, the Zvhiller Rebbe, the Naroler Rebbe, Rav Mordechai Dov Fine, Rav Refoel Schorr, Rav Yisroel Simcha Schorr, Rav Avrohom Schorr, Rav Mottel Zilber, Rav Dovid Magid, Rav Yaakov Horowitz, Rav Chaim Mendel Brodsky, Rav Yaakov Hopfer, Rav Shlomo Avigdor Altusky, Rav Yosef Mermelstein, Rav Hershel Zolty, Rav Zev Tikotzky, the Tenka Rov, Rav Yitzchok Paler, Rav Yaakov Bender, and Rav Asher Kalmanowitz.
So if a Jew is Sephardic and Yiddish is NOT their language,
Ladino is really a dead language, what do they speak
Rav Harari didn’t speak at the Kinus since he speaks in Ivrit, and they wanted all the speeches to be in only Yiddish and English. But he was there and agreed to the Psak Halacha with all the other Gedolei Yisroel in America, Eretz Yisroel and elsewhere.
Do you have proof of this, surely if he was there and agreed with the psak a picture of him there exists, and someone heard him say it that he agreed with the Psak. He has a fairly large community and lots of people must have heard him say he agreed with the asifa.
And just because he was there in the stands (if he was) doesnt mean he agrees with the Psak either, the Morah D’Assah of my community was there too and he came out stronger against the asifa after he went
Rav Rafael Harari (the Syrian Godol & Rosh Yeshiva of Ateret Torah) was at the Kinus and signed unto the Psak Halacha.
I am not Syrian, but how come this is the ONLY account of this I have seen, ever account says he as not there and not invited because he speaks only Hebrew to audiences.
The baseline is it depneds on your community.
I was told by the Morah D’Assrah of my community that the Ban DOES not hold here, And the reason is we were not invitied so the Ban is not valid.
No Rav has the right to impose his views on other communities and its never been done before. (For example the Chief Syrian Rabbi was not invited so if you are Syrian you need not follow the Psak)
Ashkenzaim never imposed their views on Sephardim and vice versa.
So when it was said that the asifa Psak hold for the entire Klal Yisroel if they were there or not it is not sure and not the Psak.
Now if you belong to a community that was invited and accepted (Chabad was invited but didnt accept for example) then you must ask your rov
Why does everything have to be “Kosher” or “Shmutz”
There are plenty of Pareve websites like espn
If Rav Gifter and Rav Schwab can speak english, So can I
The truth is he is 102
I can speak a jewish Language, Its called HEBREW
Simon Bracha
Not trying to bust anyones bubble but rain in the Us depends where you live
If you live in NYC, it rains about 40 inches a year, In Miami its about 60 inches a year
If you live in Las Vegas its about 2 inches a year
If you live in Los Angeles its about 12 inches a year
If you live in Phoenix its about 8 inches a year
Does that Mean NY is Holier than than Phoenix?
Does that Mean LA is holier than Vegas?
In Jerusalem its 22 inches, is NY and Miami more blessed than Jerusalem?
DY
I saw lots of people using their smartphones during the speeches at the Asifa during the yiddish speeches especially.
And lots of people have seen that and commented on it.
These were not Feif un’s peers, they were your peers
Get Der tzitung in print media and forget about electronic media
There is going to be a Webcam in the Kodesh, Kodoshim
In the end the English Speakers will be more upset if Yiddish is spoken than the Yiddish speakers will be if English is Spoken
Most yiddish speakers , speak English, Most English speakers do NOT speak or understand yiddish
The ban only applies to Chasidim who were there (Not Chabad) and Litvish Followers of Rav Wosner and Lakewood.
If you are Sephardic, MO , Other Charedi Yeshivas (Who did not go and might have endorsed the ban) you do not have to follow the ban as your Rabbanim did not impose it.
As I remember my grandmother speaking Yiddish, the Yiddish spoken by Chassidim sounds nothing like it.
The reality is Most Yiddish Speakers probably understand English (At least in New York) and that most English Speakers do NOT understand Yiddish.
The asifa wasnt even 50/50 Yiddish/English…It was more like 80/20 in favor of Yiddish. You could easily look around during the yiddish speakers what was happening.
Not meant as a direct analogy. Only that more doesn’t make it right.
Not a comparison
If you are going to speak to the Kehila, you need to speak to them in a language they understand.
zahavadad: is that a fact? I agree here on American shores that is true. But worldwide? not sure that is the case.
Most Jews live in Anglo Countries Us, England, Canada , Australia.
And Many jews who live in Israel and France also speak english.
More Frum jews do NOT speak Yiddish as a first language, maybe in Chassidic communities, but not everywhere else.
If Rav Wachsman spoke “Yeshivish”, I have no problem with it, I understood it perfectly
And the truth of the matter is the Internet’s main language is English, If you only Speak Yiddish you cant use it, so I found it interesting that it was the Yiddish speakers who were the harshest speakers (As opposed to Rav Wachsman)
More jews speak English than Yiddish
Years ago it was possible to look for employment using newspapers only. Today, most job searching is online. Is it really possible to look for employment without using the internet? I guess the search itself would be in the category of necessary for parnassah.
Its not needed to search for a job, You are supposed to learn in Kollel