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Rabbenu Gershom changed the law about multiple wives
At least some say it was because of human nature that we cannot handle more than one wife.
The Pruzbal also was a change of the torah law
Torah Law is eternal and does not change with the wind or so-called “human nature”.
Do you own any slaves or have mutilple Wives like Avraham, Yaakov and Dovid?
oooh! Whenever I hear Jews speak Arabic it sounds so pretty, but when spoken by Arabs, it sounds plain ugly. I think it’s because there is a different dialect.
I know people who Speak Hebrew with an Arabic accent, it very much sounds like the noise you hear coming out of a mosque before prayer time.
ok, let’s take it that there will be 75% chareidi, and let’s makke it a given that the chareidim won’t serve in the army unless drastic measures are taken (no women singers shomer shabbos, shomer kashrus badatz) the only other option is that there will be an amendment to the law that you don’t need to work in the army in order to get a job
do you have any better ideas? (and no, cutting funding, etc will only make it worse)
additionally when it is 75% of the population then they will elect a religious cabinet that will implement something totally drastic
I actually agree this is what will happen, they will elimonate the work requirement
But what will also happen is the reponsibility of being the majority, If 75% of the population is Charedi and wont serve, Lets assume a good chunk of the other 25% wont serve either (If “They” wont serve, than neither will I) Do you really think that the 25% of the non-charedi population will serve 100%?
Even if a law is passed that all non-charedi MUST serve, Its likely that the 25% of the non-charedi population will either dodge the draft or just leave the country
Then there will be no army, and no protection from the arabs to overrun the country and create a state a Palestine that is Judenrein
Thanks for the info, I knew that Belgium and The Netherlands were very closely related, I didnt realize that Dutch and Flanders were the same language (Just differnet accent).
FYI Australian English is not related to American English, its the same language. I think English is the only world language where speakers can understand each other over 95% (There are always local differences like Lift vs Elevator or bathroom vs toilet vs water closet or Soccer vs Football) but you can almost always figure it out fairly quickly
Aramaic is still spoken today in parts of Syria
Not everyone agrees with Rav Ovadiah Yosef
Given that money is always the root of all evil, too many have seen families torn apart by yerusha disputes, Many have concluded that more equitable distribution is nessasary in order to keep Shalom Bayis.
you made a deduction that since they will be the majority (which I agree on) then more responsibility comes with it (which I don’t agree on) (see what I brought about women still being considered a “minority” even though they are a majority in the US)
I disagree one the fact that women are considered a minority in the US, but assuming you are correct, Its still about 51-49 its still fairly even
I am assuming (and I think you agree) that the charedi population will not more than 50% of the jewish population, 75% or even more.
If they are 75%, you cant assume that the 25% will work like dogs , serve in the army and do whatever the majority will want without a fight.
At 75% you will need charedi doctors, Charedi bus drivers, charedi construction workers, charedi farmers , charedi policemen and charedi soldiers etc.
The Simcha Circuit is performing at Simchas, Weddings Bar Mitzvahs etc
No, they don’t – they can hire an army, like one Frum member of the Knesset suggested.
With most of the Charedi population in Kollel and in need of governemt programs, Who is going to pay for all this stuff. Money doesnt grow on trees even if you are a rich country Like Saudi Arabia who used to be able to afford such a lifestyle
I am not taking out of thin air that Charedim will be the Majority of the jewish population, the demographicers are saying that and considering that Charedi Families have 10 kids or more and non relgious generally have 2 or less and and Dati-Leumi have 4-5 Kids.
They estimate I think 2050-2075 is when they will be the Super Majority
Most likely the language your mother spoke to you in , is what you think is the most beautiful language
I dont think you can translate it into english
Ive seen the word Hemish used in reference to cooking, Chicken and Kugel called Hemish cooking , as opposed to Pizza and Sushi
I must add that I appreciate Yiddish very much since I find it is a language that unites, wherever we come from, there is a common language….
Sephardim do NOT speak Yiddish
MY WORST WORST WORST: French! The language sounds like a bunch of drunk people barfing on each other. I can’t believe that no one has mentioned it. Every time I hear a Jew speaking this language, I get a chance to work on my Ahavas Yisrael.
And what is wrong with a Jew speaking French, France has the larges jewish population in Europe , Belgium has a large chassidic population and I think they speak french there and there is a large jewish population in Quebec and they speak french there.
French does sound alot better than the language the sounds like German
Did you ever your son what he wants to do
In the jewish world, the way you make money is the Simcha Circuit.
Avraham Fried does not make his money off CD’s or Benefit Concerts (Someone who makes money from music told me most of the time he is asked to do them for FREE) , he makes his money by doing the Simcha Circuit. I heard he gets about $10,000 per gig.
I am sure Lipa Schmeltzer gets most of his income from the same thing
(How Often do you see Avrham Friend of Lipa Schmeltzer do a FOR-PROFIT concert)
I also happen to know about the CD business, It costs about $2-$3 to produce a CD (Including studio time) for a $10 CD, thats $7 profit
If he sold 10,000 CD’s (Only really big acts sell 10,000 CD’s) he would make $70,0000
Unfortunatly if you are a Frum female, the Simcha Circuit avenue is closed to you
Agreed. The Gedolim wrote that the creation of the medina delayed the coming of Moshiach. </e>
Which Gedolim besides the Satmar Rebbe?
If the Charedi Population took a cue from the Satmar population in Israel and stop taking funds from the State, then maybe they could avoid being drafted.
When you take money from someone there is always a cost.
For us outsiders What do you have an election on?
Is it an election related to jewish representatives or an election related to everyone.
Do you vote on Rabbaim?
I think the demographics went over peoples head.
As the Charedi population becomes the majority of the jewish population, more responsibility (and consequences) will come with it.
If 75% of the Israeli population is Charedi, then you cant have 75% of the people learning in Kollel, you cant have 75% of the population not serving in the army (If you try that, the other 25% will make a big stink and likely either refuse to serve or leave the country)
When they are 75% of the population they can change to law of mandatory service (as is there right in a democracy) but they also need to be prepared for the consequnces of the nearby arab population attacking and defeating a much weaker enemy.
One can attempt to solve problems now, or you can wait until its mandatory to solve them (and might actually be much harder and more damaging to the Charedi population)
Americas population is much bigger than Israels.
The Charedi population in Israel is growing much faster than the rest of the population. In Israel you cannot work unless you go to the Army.
At some point 50% and even further 75% of the jewish population in Israel will be Charedi.
How can you run a country when 50-75% of the population is in Kollel.
How can you defend the country when 75% refuses to serve in the Army,
hashem never creates BAD things
Otherwise you can ask why he invented Roaches , Mosquitoes , Poison Ivy and Earthquakes
Rip the internet out of the house and take away your husbands smart phone and all your problems will go away
And Whats wrong with Spanish, Its the 2nd or 3rd most spoken language in the World (Spanish has more native Speakers, but English has more total speakers)
Ill have to admit I like to hear Latin Spoken
But for more current lanaguage French and Italian sound the most beautiful
My friends FIL was born in Romania to a Satmar Family (I think)
I met him many times before he died and I used to ask him about his life before the war and during (I like to hear oral histories of this time perioid as its being forgotten)
He told me one He remembers this old lady bragging how she had no relatives in America (This was about 1937) and how proud she was of her family that nobody emigrated.
I dont think he ever saw her again, but one can guess how the story ended, even if the old lady survived.
What does this have to do with DY story , everything , Just because someone gives a Moshal doesnt mean its correct, I am sure there were many such “MOSHALS” given between the years 1880-1939 and what terrible things would happen to people if they emigrated to the US. Take the same story, change the years change the internet to America and make some changes that would apply to America instead of the internet (IE the electronics store)
Make the last year instead of May 2062 ,make it May 1962
Change it to
I am sure such stories were told to people
Its been said before, but since you are in Israel, he will have to go to the Army, They WILL straigten him out. They dont take any garbage in the Army, you will learn disicpline.
I realize you are Charedi and may not want him int he Army, but for some kids its really a great thing.
Its not just the hair covering there is more to their dress
Also near Macys in manhattan its likely to Satmar because they are fairly close to it, they come with Baby carriages that is fairly easy to carry on the Subway. Many Chassidic groups live in Rockland County and thats harder to get to the city especially with double and triple baby (I am well aware that Bobov Live in Borough Park) but Squarer, Visnitz mostly live near monsey. I am not sure where Pupa and Belz live, although I think its Monsey
How come nobody wants to boycott and leave the State of NY
By Living in the State of NY you are helping promote the agenda and its Likely the next Mayor of NYC will be one (Christine Quinn) . Will she be invited to Borough Park and Williamsburgh
I am sure she will be very welcome in those communities as long as she can give out lots of goodies to those communities
a mamin
You can also tell the men different Charedi Groups
Livtish wear a Suit and Tie with a hat and long Beard
Chabad wears a suit, no tie with a very short beard
Pupa wears a streimel with an ear flap (I think its either Pupa or Ger that wears this Streimel)
Satmar Wears a Beaver Streimel usually with a Black Becksha, ALso they have longer Curled Peyes than the rest. They do not hide the Peyos like others might behind the ear.
(I cant tell the difference between some of the other groups)
Some wear White Socks over pants, some under and some wear dark colored socks the same.
Some also wear Beckasha other than Black
@ a mamin
I can tell by the way the dress, Satmar women dress differently than other Charedi women, Now their could be other Chasidic groups who dress like Satmar .
The easiest way you can tell is Satmar Women wear Sheitels and then wear a Hat that covers about 2/3 of the Sheitel. Most other Charedim either wear a Sheitel, or wear a Tichel/Hat that covers all their hair. Also you hear them speaking Yiddish
I only use Godaddy as a Domain Registrar, but they do offer other services like e-mail and actual website creation, If you use these services then I can see daily use nessasary (They dont make their money off Domain registration, they make it off these other services)
But as I said SATMAR declared that YAHOO was a Filthy website . Why because of the entertainment News. I think Yahoo email is the #1 site for e-mail.
Do you think YAHOO should be Filterd???
DY according to you stats given before 10% of people have an “internet addiction”
So because of this 10% we must throw out the baby with the bathwater,
What is I told you 10% of Frum jews have some sort of Food Issue (Obesity , Bullemia Diabetes etc) Should we Filter Food because of these people.
@Boobie. I am Sorry for your issues, but if Someone is an Alcoholic, YES they need to be kept away from Alcohol. If someone is a gambler, they need to be kept away from casinos and the Lottery and if Someone has an “Internet addiction” then they need to have their computer taken away.
Like this
Its just ASCII Characters
Also Bullemia which is a also a food disorder is not a positive effect on frum marriages
But you have to admit that an addiction to food would not be in any way as destructive to a Frum home or a Frum marriage as improper Internet usage is.
I would say that Diabetes, High Cholestoral , High Blood Pressure, Obesity , Heart Disase which can be caused by food and certainly if you have these maladies you need to watch what you eat, is VERY destructive to a frum marriage
I dont know if GAW was being serious or Sarcastic, but I do know my Kollel cousins do have this disdain or work and consider it a punishment.
Maybe they dont consider work to be a B’divevd, but they certainly do not look positively upon it as a a mitzva asseh in the same vain as they do putting on Tfillin
What is your definination of a site that needs to be “Filtered”
Pesach Krohn defines YWN and VIN as sites that need to be “Filtered”
Others have claimed that FB and Twitter need to be Filtered
One Satmar Rebbe claims YAHOO needs to be filtered
Other Gedolim claim THE ENTIRE INTERNET needs to be filtered.
How about Godaddy, They are a Domain Registration Site , but use Schumtz methods to advertise. Should GoDaddy be filtered?
To ZAHAVAS DAD: once again I must say your posts continue to smack of ignorance especially about Internet and addiction. An addict does not go searching for ‘happiness’ on the Internet. He goes searching for relief, for escape from pain, for distraction. And afterwards they feel horribly guilty and ashamed. You know absolutely nothing on the subject and therefore it’s quite disrespectful to dismiss someone with knowledgable information as if yours trumps theirs. It doesn’t. Better not to comment on issues that you have no knowledge about than to sound ignorant and foolish.
Again you want to blame the internet and me for your husbands problems.
If you want to blame the internet for your husbands problems, go right ahead, One filtered internet will not solve the problem, he will just become “addcited” to the filtered sites and if you get rid of the internet entirely he will become “addicted” to something else.
His “Internet Addiction” is not the diagnosis, its the sympton.
Hopefully you (and him) will realize that and seek proper help Hatzlacha
I am frequently in Manhattan, Walking past Macys down Broadway you ALWAYS see Chassidim (I think they are Satmar) women shopping up and down that stretch of stores.
You all the time hear stories about People who spend way to much time shopping.
Does that mean we should have an asifa for Shopping addiction?
I see plenty of overweight people, there is definatly a food issue among some frum people
Does that mean we need an Asifa for Food addictions?
I am not naive, too many here are blaming the internet for other issues , no matter what goes wrong, its the “Internets fault” .
Right after the asifa a car accident on internet use (Not by the victims but by others)
I for one research products on a daily basies, in fact most of the products are designer textiles. our network is filtered, there is no reason to have access to filthy sites in order to research an ite
Different products require differnt marketing techniques.
If you are selling textiles, the marketing is differnt than selling seferoim and that is different than selling entertainment.
I would not expect the author of a Sefor to have a FB fan page an tweet out tweets of his Sefor.
However I WOULD expect someone like Avraham Fried and or Lipa Schmeltzer to have a FB fan page (Both of them do or did until recently ) I dont know if they have a twitter account or not
@Boobie
I am sorry for your troubles, but unfortuantly if it wasnt the internet it would have been something else. I dont mean this to be mean, but people who are happy arent looking for happiness elsewhere.
If someone loves learning and loves the Yeshiva, they wouldmt be looking elsewhere
One can spend time on the internet, One can spend time at the Library, One can spend time hanging with their “buddies”.
I am sure the Library has been more “dangerous” and caused breakups than than internet. The well known DF, did not leave because of the internet, she left because of the Library for example (FYI I am not banning books, Just saying that there is plenty to draw people out besides the internet)
@DY Many of the speakers at the asifa admitted they never used the internet, They were only repeating “What they were told” They of course were told there is Schmutz there and its terrible.
They were told Blogs have terrible Loshon Harah and terrible things against the Gedolim
They were told People can buy things with a click of a button on Amazon and ebay faster than you can say a Bracha.
They were told marriages were destroyed by FB and Twitter.
And of course these things were told to them by such Ehrich Yidden (Otherwise known as Askanim) People who only want the best for Klal Yisroel.
I seriously doubt they were told there are people who make incomes off eBay and Amazon. That you need Blogs, FB and Twitter to promote your items and make sales . That you can make money on Blogs, FB and twitter by managing peoples social media pages.
I heard the statment “We are clicking ourselves into vegetables” , Well People “Clicking” is how I make money.
I am not even promoting Torah websites or sites like Jdate. I dont know how many people actually use this sites, but ALOT of people, In fact probably MORE than are “Schmutz addicts” make part of all of their parnassah from the internet
If the Rabbonim give different answers in Private than Public (Which they probably do)
The shouldnt say “The Internet is the Chochma of Behamos and the Temuah of Mitzrayim” (The Rhetoric)
Why would you want to use the internet when a Tzaddick is crying when he is speaking about it. You would think C’V I should ask a Shailla about it the Dzinnger Rav (I think thats how its spelled) cried over the internet, why should I make him upset.
Would you eat treif if it made the Rebbe upset, why would you make him upset over the interent
They should say NOTHING or say minimalist things like SPEAK TO YOU ROV without the Rhetoric or crying.
I totally get the point.
That is EXACTLY why I make many points here .
Chabad sing the tune to La Marsailles (French national Anthem)
The Problem is they denounce the internet in public as “The Chochma of Behamos” someone listening to this will hear the Mussur speech and think the same thing
This same person might have a business idea to make money off the internet if its eBay, Amazon, Google (SEO) , FB, Twitter blogs (I know people who have made incomes off blogs) but since the Gedolim has declared the internet the Temuah of Egypt they will persue other sources of incomes, they might not see the nuances that a Rav will allow him and NOT EVEN ASK THE SHAILA.
FYI Ive seen people here condemn eBay , the damage that is done is alot worse than you realize
Jbdaly is more technically correct. In Paypal and Amazon they actually put the money in your account that you withdraw.
Because I am a long time Amazon seller I can withdraw once a day from Amazon to my bank account.
I assume the money is mine if I can withdraw it at will, which I cant until I ship on Amazon or eBay hold in escrow for some.
You cant sell Digital items (or ebooks) anymore on eBay they outlawed it.
People who know me personally totally understand, however people who dont know me personally but I might see in person have the exact opinion of many of the posters here.
Even people who know me but dont understand the whole system dont totally get it. I know you dont know me, But I doubt that you knew that you use Twitter to submit listing to google and I dont expect you to. There are people who use BLOGS to promote their products
I heard the same speeches at the asifa as you did. People wondered here why I went, the reason was because people who know me thought I would be interested.
People heard the speeches at the Asifa and its a shame, they heard how evil the internet is, but they didnt hear how good it was. If you hear how evil it is, why would you use it for good.
I dont even think the organizers understood this. Id have to spend many hours speaking to them to explain exactly why everything is needed and then perhaps likely they would say it would be OK for me , (quietly of course)
But there are so many other people who could benefit
I dont “Poskin” from people here I know better and I have a thicker skin than you think, but I know there are others and lurkers who see the same “Psak” and assume those posters know what they are talking about and maybe or maybe not see me and see an apikorais.
On Amazon you get the money when you claim you ship it. If I dont use Amazon Fufillment, I have 48 Business hours to ship it. If I use Amazon Fufillment I get the money when AMAZON ships it.
On eBay for new sellers its up to 21 days to get the money.
The way the know on Ebay is the tracking #, if you are a new seller if you upload to them the tracking # and then can tell when it was delivered. If the buyer leaves Positive feedback then its also assumed the item was delivered as well and you get them money
Most sellers on eBay dont do auctions anymore and actually a 7 day auction could only end on Shabbos if you started it on Shabbos as its exactly 7 days later when it was listed.
What is disturbing here is people are comparing B & H to other sellers and trying to impose a CHUMRA on others when they clearly dont know the Halacha.
Also there is something FBA which is Fulfillment by Amazon where you ship the stuff to Amazon, Amazon sells the stuff, collectes the money and Ship the item and give you the cash. You dont do anything, There is no VACATION setting for this service, the selling is up to Amazon.
Its the same reason I need a smartphonw
Many times I am out and I see something that looks interesting to sell, but I am no expert in most things so I whip out my smart phone and look it up either via the Bar Code reader or so searches on Amazon and eBay.