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ThePurpleOne: Apologies for the misunderstanding. I didn’t mean to imply that. Certainly, some women are outgoing and funloving, and they can have lots of friends, have Purim parties, enter the caring professions or other jobs that involve a lot of social interaction, get involved in organizations, chesed, etc.
My point was that only men have the special need to have certain public roles in shul unique to them, for them to feel fulfilled and thus keep them away from sin.
Some women may also feel drawn to public roles, and they can do that too. But women in general don’t feel that need — so their own personal relationship with Hashem (through personal prayer and the many mitzvos that apply to women), and their bonds with their spouse and children and other family and close friends, is enough for them to feel happy, stay away from sin, and advance in their avodas Hashem.
Women are more grounded in their social relationships and are naturally more nurturing and compassionate, while men often have a tendency toward anger and harshness and arrogance and impulsivity, which needs to be restrained through extra mitzvos (such as more time spent on Torah study and at shul). Everyone has their own needs and challenges, and the halachic differences between men and women reflect that.
Anyway, these are just my own ideas about why things are the way they are!
yytzParticipantI agree that women should get to get their own fun party and not be shut off in an uncomfortable or poorly-located women’s section. But I have a few things to add on why men’s and women’s roles are the way they are.
Besides their traditional all-important roles in the family, women can halachically do a lot of important things traditionally associated with men: study Torah, teach Torah (whether to children or adults), write articles and books, do kiruv, start or lead organizations, have careers, etc. As snowbunny points out, in some circles women can even read the megillah to other women.
There’s a pretty small number of things only men can do, like lain or serve as shliach tzibur or get semicha or count in a minyan. It’s not because men are better. It’s because mitzvos are given to men and women in ways that complement their inner natures.
At some primal level, men need something special to do with other men that only they can do. If men don’t get that from shul they’ll look for it elsewhere, outside of Yiddishkeit. What the experience of the heterodox Jewish movements has shown is that when you say women can do everything to, then the men withdraw and want nothing to do with it, and you end up with a congregation that is mainly female.
So although it offends some people because there’s some superficial inequality, it needs to be this way to keep men involved. Men have a stronger yetzer hara (at least when it comes to things like violence, crime, addiction, gambling and oppressing other people). They need the strong pull of special mitzvos for men, especially those associated with shul, to keep them on the true path.
February 22, 2013 4:52 am at 4:52 am in reply to: Facebook Is To Blame For Rising Orthodox Jewish Divorce Rate? #935204yytzParticipantIn case anyone’s interested, here are the “10 plagues of Facebook” by Rav Shlom Aviner:
3. Advertisements. Facebook is sponsored by advertisements, some of which are disgusting, full of offensive language and sexual immodesty, provoking people to commit acts that are base, coarse and forbidden.
4. Crime. Since the information is out in the public domain and available to all, all sorts of unsavory people take advantage of it for evil: identity theft for the sake of extorting monetary contributions; for convincing people to come to rendezvous where they will be robbed; as well as the use made by various types of sexual perverts; for sending junk mail, and for racist groups that encourage hatred.
5. Addiction. Facebook is the fifth biggest cause of addition in the world. 400 million people in the world are addicted to it, and 2.5 million in Israel use Facebook. 75% of youth are regular users. Facebook addicts can spend 4-5 hours a day on it.
6. Loss of time. Time is one of the most precious things in life. A person thinks he is
going into Facebook for a moment, and he may be stuck there for long hours.
8. Exhibitionism. A person develops a longing to be seen by others, to share glances and find favor in the eyes of imaginary, virtual friends. He constantly updates his personal profile in order to increase his popularity. He strikes an alluring pose and has his picture taken in order to draw attention to himself. He becomes enslaved to finding favor in the eyes of others, and to being seen by them.
February 22, 2013 4:51 am at 4:51 am in reply to: Facebook Is To Blame For Rising Orthodox Jewish Divorce Rate? #935203yytzParticipantDivorce lawyers have pointed to Facebook and internet porn as being increasingly common causes of divorce. According to articles I’ve read, a typical thing that happens to (non-frum) people is that a married man will notice an old flame from high school or whatever on FB, and become “friends,” and communicate a bit, and this will lead to actually meeting and committing adultery. I’d be surprised if it’s a common cause of divorce among frum families. And I’m not sure it’s really true that divorce is increasing among frum Jews.
yytzParticipantAlso, prayer works for everything — have you tried devoting a certain amount of time (say, 15 minutes, or even an hour) to praying to Hashem in your own words to let you sleep normally? This can get great results — see books like In Forest Fields and Garden of Gratitude by Jerusalem-based Rosh Yeshivah Rav Shalom Arush.
yytzParticipantSorry to hear about the insomnia! A few ideas:
1. Cut out all caffeine for at least a few months. Don’t even eat chocolate (which contains caffeine and the stimulant theobromine) other than in the morning.
2. First thing in the morning, get bright direct sun in your face. Obviously, don’t make yourself go blind by looking directly at the sun. But getting this bright light from the sun early has bee shown to reset your circadian rhythms.
3. Reevaluate your medications to see if insomnia is a side-effect of any of them. Change medications or cease them if necessary (obviously that should be done in consultation with a doctor).
4. Get some good exercise but only in the morning. Don’t do anything more strenuous than walking past mid-day or so. Exercising gives the body adrenaline, which acts like caffeine but is even more long-lasting.
5. Make your room extremely dark, with no light whatsoever. Get new blinds, or even duct tape thick cloth against your window if you have to.
6. Try visualization techniques in which you feel each part of your body get very tired and relaxed.
7. Even better, either in your head or softly whispering, thank Hashem for every little thing you can think of, over and over if necessary, until you fall asleep. For some reason this is very relaxing, and a little boring, so it can work really well.
8. Make sure to eat enough before going to bed, but not too much that you’re too full or that you’re not hungry for breakfast when you wake up. Try having something with carbs, protein and fat, like bread with peanut butter or hummus. (Hummus is good because it has a little garlic, which is a slight sedative.) Don’t drink water past 2-3 hours before you plan to go to bed. You might wake up in the morning really thirsty, but that’s OK.
Hatzlacha!
yytzParticipantOh, sorry, I thought you were using a more extreme example!
I don’t know what’s wrong with flip-flops. There are definitely very frum women who wear flip-flops and sandals. But more yeshivish people may believe it’s better to cover up the feet too. And flip-flops or sandals are pretty informal, so that doesn’t go along with the custom to dress fairly formally all the time.
yytzParticipantThat’s interesting, Gatesheader. I prefer grape juice myself on most occasions. I think Rabbi Lazer Brody, an anglophone Breslover rabbi in Israel, only drinks alcohol twice a year, on Pesach and Purim, and only drinks very small amounts. R’ Shalom Arush is the same way, I understand, and says lengthy impromptu prayers before drinking, to ensure it has the positive spiritual effect rather than something neutral or negative.
yytzParticipantWearing just leggings is no good because skin-tight clothing is considered no different from being naked. Actually, that’s the style now on college campuses and high schools, to wear skin tight leggings and a shirt that doesn’t extend down past the waist. So for all practical purposes, aside from the color of the leggings, people are seeing them naked.
It reminds me of the story of the charedi rabbi at the bus stop in Israel with the scantily and tightly-clad women. All the people looked at the rabbi to see how he would react. He simply handed the woman an apple. The woman said, “Why are you giving me an apple?” He said, “Chava didn’t know she was naked either until she ate an apple.” Of course, it’s not a real story, and the fruit wasn’t an apple…
yytzParticipantPopa is right that you should consider putting them to bed somewhat earlier. Nowadays so many people, both kids and adults, are chronically sleep-deprived, which causes all kinds of problems with learning and behavior and mood.
After I first wake up my (small) children, they like to have a minute to lay in bed after waking up before they actually get out of bed. I often turn on energetic music in the living room, usually the same CD they like. That seems to work really well. Hatzlacha!
yytzParticipantHaha, you sound like me when I was in high school — that’s about how much I slept in on the weekends, though I probably got more than 4.5 or 5 per night.
Most scientific authorities believe that teenagers need 9 or 10 hours of sleep a night (though one study suggests seven is enough.) (Rambam said 8 hours is the right amount, but I’m not sure if he differentiated by age.)
Studies have pointed to one reason why they get so much less than they should: the school schedule doesn’t match teens’ biological cycle. Most teens would prefer staying up late and sleeping in late, and there seems to be a biological basis for that. What happens in practice is that they stay up late and then have to wake up early for school, leaving them sleep-deprived and grumpy (making it harder to perform well in school).
Nowadays that applies to tons of adults too, especially now that devices like smartphones have become addictive distractions. Rachmana litzlan.
If most people (teens or adults) would make sure they get at least 7 or 8 hours of sleep, they’d be in a better mood, do better in school or at work, get along with others better, get sick less often and recover more quickly, and have greater self-control (“executive function” in cognitive science terms.) The problem is, it takes self-control to start sleeping more to begin with!
yytzParticipantRegardless of whether it’s permitted, it’s not good to do because it’s not shabbosdik to study for a test on Shabbos (ie, it’s stressing you out, it’s preparing for your week, it’s attending to your weekday affairs.) You should probably take a nap — most teenagers (and young adults) get far less sleep than they need, and it’s a mitzvah to take care of our health. Getting enough sleep also helps your brain work better, potentially improving your exam performance. Anyway, hatzlacha!
yytzParticipantI’ve gotten bruises or blisters on the back of my heel from new shoes. I find that putting a band-aid on them stops the pain and helps them heal (in addition to wearing the new shoes only for short periods of time).
yytzParticipantYou’re welcome! I feel really bad for people who are in these kinds of work situations — in a rational world they wouldn’t exist at all. We need doctors and such but there’s got to be a way to train people for every profession without making people miserable (and for that matter to address workplace bullying as soon as it starts).
yytzParticipantPopa didn’t do it — it seems that one of the moderators did it, I suppose as a warning to everyone here.
yytzParticipantOy — I’m so sorry you have to deal with such a stressful work environment! I would say to quit and find another job — since there are many “toxic” work environments and the best thing is often to leave, since they’re too hard to change. But if you’re in a training program I know it may be impossible to switch to a different one. In any event, I hope you’re not facing years of the same ugly work environment.
There’s no reason to be embarrassed for who you are! Everyone has their own challenges. Some people are very sensitive to stress and criticism, and that’s one of their challenges. It doesn’t make you better or worse than anybody else. In some Torah sources the ideal is to achieve a level in which someone can insult you to your face but it doesn’t bother you — “Let my soul be like dust to those curse me” — but few people achieve that, and it can take a lifetime.
It can be painful or embarrassing to think about past negative experiences (like crying in front of coworkers). Just not thinking about them can help. When thoughts about them do arise, don’t beat yourself up about it — instead, thank Hashem for the challenges he’s given you.
It may seem absurd to thank Him for seemingly bad things, but it’s even in the Shulchan Aruch that one should always say, whatever the merciful one does is for the best. (This approach is explained in much detail in the book Garden of Gratitude by R’ Arush.) If you think about it a bit, you can usually think of some way in which what happened was really for the best.
I also recommend spending a few minutes, maybe 10 minutes a day, of prayer in your own words each day not only thanking Hashem for everything, but also asking for strength and guidance in dealing with your job.
You might also find repeating a certain phrase in your mind (for example, “Lord of hosts, happy is the man who trusts in you” from Tehillim, as recommended in the Yerushalmi) while you’re at work. As snowbunny suggested, a few deep breaths (with your eyes closed, and focusing your thoughts on one simple thing — like the greatness of G-d or your love for G-d or His love for you) can work wonders, if done several times throughout the day.
Anyway, I hope this helps, and may Hashem help you succeed in every way!
yytzParticipantThere was one recent post that had me thinking Popa was a woman (Popa talks about his/her kids calling him/her “Ima.”) But now I think Popa is a man but shares his profile with his wife, who posts sometimes under the same name. Oh, Popa, the CR (wo)man of mystery!
yytzParticipantIn my view, the right answer is definitely to never friend.
If you never friend, they’ll assume either that you hardly ever use Facebook and you didn’t notice their request, or that you have a policy of only accepting friend requests from people you’d consider real friends (as opposed to just acquaintances) — and there’s nothing wrong with such a policy. Everyone should understands it’s kind of ridiculous to friend every person you meet, even though that’s what most people seem to do.
If you accept the friend request, they will receive a triumphant notification indicating that you’ve accepted the request. If at some point they decide to look at your page and see that you’re no longer friends, they’ll think you looked at their profile, saw something that made you dislike them, and then de-friended them for that reason. In other words, some people will notice being defriended, and interpret it negatively in an insecure or paranoid way. Never friending is less likely to hurt someone’s feelings.
yytzParticipantPopa, I think you would like Rav Shalom Arush’s new book on parenting (Garden of Education). He thinks we should basically never yell at kids (though there’s a lot more to his philosophy than that). The guy in shul may have realized he was wrong but was just infuriated in the moment. I don’t believe in yelling, but when my kids repeatedly misbehave it really drives me nuts. May Hashem save us from our own emotions!
February 3, 2013 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm in reply to: Calling people with questionable smicha Rabbi #995537yytzParticipantJust because someone got smicha from an online or less-well-known yeshivah doesn’t mean they don’t deserve the title. Yeshivat Pirkei Shoshanim requires its students to pass the Rabbanut’s smicha exam, so they at least have to know something.
More generally, people who get smicha through such places aren’t necessarily doing it so they can get a title they don’t deserve or aggrandize themselves. A lot of people either didn’t have the opportunity to go to a regular yeshivah, because they became BTs at a late age or whatever, and simply take the smicha course as a way to challenge themselves to increase the level of their Torah knowledge. Even if these places became so widespread that nearly all men have smicha, I don’t see what’s wrong with that — it would probably increase the overall level of Torah study and observance.
In practice, anyway, if someone seems like a talmid chacham and people refer to him as rabbi, then call him rabbi regardless of whether he has smicha at all, or regardless of whether you know where he has smicha from.
If someone is bothered by their own feeling that people with less knowledge than you have smicha, because unlike them the person never went to the trouble to get smicha, then I would say that person should go ahead and get smicha already if they deserve it so much.
Of course, if places are giving away smicha without requiring people to learn anything, that’s a problem and people should keep that in mind when deciding whether to take someone’s halachic views seriously or call them a rabbi. But that doesn’t mean each graduate from such places is inadequate in their knowledge.
February 3, 2013 4:24 am at 4:24 am in reply to: A Complaint About The Terms 'Frei' & 'Shiksa' #1049048yytzParticipantI don’t like the word “frei” either. Freedom has such positive connotations. Calling the non-observant frei sounds self-hating. What is Yiddish for “missing out”? Or “poor, poor deprived souls”?
Shiksa is no good either. “Non-Jew” is the only adjective that sounds neutral.
yytzParticipantThis should be obvious, and I’m sure it’s not a problem for frum families, but a man should never say anything to his wife about the attractiveness of any other woman (or even confide in her that he’s having problems guarding his eyes). I’ve even heard it’s a bad idea to praise any other woman in any manner (even regarding positive character traits, etc.). A wife should really feel her husband only has eyes for him in every possible way.
Unfortunately, I think among non-observant or non-Jewish people who’ve never heard of the concept of tznius or guarding one’s eyes, it’s common for men to comment about other women (whether it’s celebrities or “real” people.) I think this causes a lot of fights and unhappiness.
Of course, one should also never say such things in front of one’s daughters. I read a story about someone getting plastic surgery who was doing it basically because, given the comments about other women she heard her dad making growing up, she felt she was worthless unless she had a certain kind of body. Very sad.
yytzParticipantI highly recommend the new parenting book by Rav Shalom Arush, the Garden of Education. I just finished it recently, but it’s really brilliant and compelling, and to the extent that I’ve applied it already, it does really seem to work.
yytzParticipantWhen I was a kid I bit my nails. I just prayed to stop, and somehow that was enough. Prayer works for everything — spend a minute or two praying a day to stop the habit, and perhaps it will work. We should pray for all our needs, even comparatively trivial things like minor bad habits.
yytzParticipantI guess it depends on who you hold by. From a summary I found:
“An important question arises whether driving in a car is considered Yichud. Rav Moshe (Teshuvot Igrot Moshe 4:65:3) rules that one should do his best to avoid driving a car alone with another woman even during the day on well-traveled roads. He reasons that although one is not secluded when driving, he can readily find a relatively private place alongside the road. Thus, since one has such easy access to sin when driving a car, Rav Moshe rues that driving alone with a woman in a car should be avoided except in case of great need. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach appears to adopt the same approach in his Teshuvot Minchat Shlomo 1:91:21.
However, this makes dating in most circumstances quite difficult if not impossible. In fact, many Poskim disagree with Rav Moshe and rule that traveling alone in a car with another woman does not constitute Yichud unless one is driving in a very remote area or at a time when there are very few cars on the road. These authorities include Rav Mordechai Eliyahu (the former Sephardic chief rabbi of Israel who is a highly regarded Posek in many circles in Israel, cited in Techumin 10:311), Rav Aharon Lichtenstein (in a Shiur delivered to students of Yeshivat Har Etzion), and Rav Mordechai Willig (in a Shiur delivered at Yeshiva University).
yytzParticipantJust wondering — is it a violation of the laws of yichud to drive alone with a date?
yytzParticipantNorth Korea is probably the worst government in the world. In less closed societies with bad governments, we should support efforts to improve things. But in NK, no NGOs operate there, because the country is controlled in such a totalitarian way. So we can’t donate. All we can do is pray that Hashem removes these wicked rulers. We “should constantly pray for mercy and blessing for the world just as the Supernal Father has mercy on all His creatures.” (Tomer Devorah.)
yytzParticipantOn the topic of the Toronto region, does anyone know anything about the Buffalo frum community (for example, in terms of friendliness, or how modern or yeshivish or chassidish it is?) Buffalo’s just two hours from Toronto, I think, maybe less. A friend of mine is considering relocating to Buffalo for a job.
yytzParticipantMorahRach, I think you’re totally right. A few things, in case they help you feel better: 1) a lot of people tend to post things online that are more extreme than they actually believe, 2) a lot of the posters on this site may be like 16 years old, 3) half the posters on this thread seem to either be trolling or joking, 4) there may be people who are inappropriately focused on unnecessarily increasing stringencies and restrictions, particularly on women’s dress, but there are more moderate people too, and we can support them and follow their customs instead (as it sounds like you’re already doing — good for you.)
January 23, 2013 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm in reply to: Blaming the Same Gender Unions: A Personal Rant #927587yytzParticipantI said earlier that I could care less about my family and friend’s political opinion on this issue, but now I realize there’s an exception to that. If my own kids were pro-toeiva marriage I would be a little worried that it would make them more likely to act on any desires for toeiva that they ever might have, c”v’s, and then end up going OTD. May Hashem save us from such situations! Adults who are already frum, though, I’m not so worried about.
Actually, the toeiva marriage issue is one of the only things that kind of makes me want to make aliyah. Sure, the far-left in Israel is just as pro-toeiva as the liberals here. But at least in Israel we wouldn’t have the prime minister talking about toeiva “liberation” or whatever in every speech, as we do now with Obama and many other Democrats. And since Israel is a more conservative country and definitely moving further in that direction for demographic reasons, it just seems impossible for toeiva marriage to happen there. Here, on the other hand, it’s very hard to raise kids without them being exposed all the time to the idea that opposing toeiva is evil and outdated and even akin to racism.
January 22, 2013 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm in reply to: Blaming the Same Gender Unions: A Personal Rant #927582yytzParticipantJayMatt has a good point. When bad things happen to non-Jews after they approve toeivah marriage, then it’s possible that they’re being punished for that. But to the extent that a tragedy effects Jews, we need to do teshuvah and figure out, on an individual and communal level, what we need to rectify! That’s the way it has always been. When something bad happens to Jews, we do teshuvah! (Maybe even when bad things happen to others. When the Chofetz Chaim heard about an earthquake in Asia, he responded that we need to do teshuvah.)
So when something bad happens to us and we blame non-Jews, that’s not the right response. The Gemara says that even if someone puts their hand in their pocket and takes out the wrong coin, that is a tribulation that was caused by the person’s transgression. Surely if someone was harmed by a natural disaster, the same is true.
Yoelite: It’s not that we shouldn’t care — what I’m saying is that another frum Jew’s individual political opinion is just not that important in the scheme of things. I was reacting to people saying they were breaking off friendships with fellow frum Jews because they approved of toeivah marriage, and suffering anguish thinking about how awful it is that there are some frum Jews who don’t oppose it. We should be happy they are frum.
So people have contradictory political opinions — OK, everyone has their own issues and challenges. Hashem made us all different, and He does everything for the good. If someone is talking during davening or speaking lashon hara or getting angry all the time I would be a lot more worried about that (that is, actual mitzvos and middos) than about their political opinion on toeivah marriage, Israel or anything else.
January 22, 2013 2:32 am at 2:32 am in reply to: what chassidic movements don't require you to grow a beard? #921412yytzParticipantYekke2, please don’t refer to him as Rebbe “N-Nachman.” I assume that was a joke related to the Na-Nachs? It’s important to understand that the “Na-Nachs” are only a tiny proportion of today’s Breslovers, and they only began in the 20th century.
January 22, 2013 1:31 am at 1:31 am in reply to: what chassidic movements don't require you to grow a beard? #921410yytzParticipantYekke2, that’s correct — Rebbe Nachman didn’t believe in the title of Rebbe passing on to an heir in each generation. But in every generation there have been leaders of the Breslov community (or separate sub-communities). R’ Rosenfeld was the main one, or one of them main ones, a in the US couple generations ago.
January 22, 2013 1:18 am at 1:18 am in reply to: Blaming the Same Gender Unions: A Personal Rant #927571yytzParticipantBen Levi, that’s interesting and I see what you’re saying, but not every line in the Gemara has halachic significance. A person approving of toeivah marriage in secular law is misguided, and certainly they should learn this Gemara and its commentaries, but are they transgressing? They’re just an individual with an opinion, which has no effect on the government. What if there’s a totally unrelated mitzvah they’re not fulfilling? Then shouldn’t we focus on that, if we’re trying to influence them?
January 22, 2013 1:03 am at 1:03 am in reply to: Blaming the Same Gender Unions: A Personal Rant #927570yytzParticipantHealth: Well, if they think there’s nothing wrong with toeivah and the Torah is wrong to prohibit it, then I’d see what you’re saying. But if it’s only a political opinion, it’s not that important.
Anyway, who knows why they hold it — maybe they think the best way to mekarev secular Jews is to pick our battles and only fight for Torah to be translated into policy when it would help us with kiruv? The fact that there are frum Jews who approve of toeivah marriage may be confusing but perhaps it’s a great kindness from Hashem. If such people didn’t exist, many secular Jews would never consider making teshuvah! That’s how strong the hold of liberalism is on some Jews — and with liberals in general, they are absolutely closed to any argument against toeivah marriage. And many people stay very liberal after becoming BTs.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t try to influence people to have what we consider a more correct political opinion on some matter, if we think we can do so without transgressing (by looking down on others, hating them in our hearts, getting angry, saying something hurtful, bearing a grudge, etc.). I occasionally argue about politics even here.
But I don’t see why people get so worked up about it — it really makes no practical difference what a single person’s political opinions are. What matters is each individual’s Torah and mitzvos and middos and maasim tovim. Anyway, if I couldn’t stand it when people disagreed with me, then I’d hate everybody and never vote for anybody (since I agree with Republicans on Israel, toeivah and euthanasia, with Libertarians on foreign policy, and with progressive Democrats on most everything else.)
January 21, 2013 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm in reply to: Racism and Chinuch: What do we teach our children about diversity? #929153yytzParticipantVery good question! It should be obvious that any form of racism is against the Torah. It is forbidden to use derogatory names to refer to individuals, so of course it also forbidden to refer to racial or cultural groups in such a manner. It is also an aveira to hurt anyone with words. And we are supposed to judge everyone favorably, and learn from every person (Avos). Don’t despise anyone, since every person has his hour (Avos.)
This is a very important issue, since for the vast majority of Americans and people in other countries, it is obvious that racism is wrong. So it is a huge chillul Hashem when any frum Jew says or does anything racist. Being non-racist is part of what “derech eretz” entails now. If we want to be a light to the nations we have to abide by the minimal standards of decency of society — and then to show non-Jews that the Torah allows us to go beyond derech eretz and be even better people.
January 21, 2013 10:03 pm at 10:03 pm in reply to: Blaming the Same Gender Unions: A Personal Rant #927562yytzParticipantI’m not in favor of toeiva marriage. But personally I could care less whether my friends and family are. We have 613 mitzvos and Chazal were very detailed in explaining the kinds of middos we should strive for. But nowhere is there a mitzvah or virtue in having the correct political opinion, or convincing others that they’re wrong and we’re right!
It is, however, extremely important to be humble, treat others with kindness, and judge one another favorably. Yet when people are convinced their political opinion is correct, they become very arrogant, are rude to others, and vociferously denounce others who dare to have a different opinion. This is not the Torah way.
Of course, it is in general good to be well-informed and vote for the person we think is best — and I certainly believe in doing that. But let’s say someone never read the news, knew zero about politics, and never voted, but instead spent their time on Torah and mitzvos. Have they sinned? What have they done wrong? A single individual opinion (or vote for that matter) makes little or no difference. If King Shlomo was alive today, surely the updated Koheles would talk about how political discussions are vanity and nothingness and a distraction from our true task in this world.
I’ve only lost one friendship based on political opinion. It was somebody who couldn’t stop angrily rambling about 9/11 conspiracy theories and other nonsense. If he had been able to keep his mouth shut and talk to me about things we had in common, then I would’ve stayed friends.
January 21, 2013 9:49 pm at 9:49 pm in reply to: what chassidic movements don't require you to grow a beard? #921408yytzParticipantThe leader of Breslov chassidus in America a couple generations ago, R’ Aryeh Tzvi Benzion Rosenfeld, wore only a short beard, and I think at times was “clean shaven.” In general, all chassidim wear beards, but Breslov is a more individualistic, and well, you can belong to a Chabad kiruv shul, daven Nusach Ari, consider yourself a Chabadnik, but not wear a beard and maintain a Modern Orthodox appearance.
yytzParticipantJust because mortgages exist, doesn’t mean sketchy bankers have to make overvalued securities of them in outlandishly confusing ways meant to deceive banks into buying their overvalued product. If we’d had sensible financial regulation, as we did before the 80s, or reasonable oversight of securities practices during the Bush administration, none of this would have happened.
I don’t believe it’s true that conservative economic policies are more successful economically in the US. First of all, such policies don’t really exist — the conservative like Reagan and Bush II say one thing (fiscal conservatism!), yet do the opposite (cut taxes and raise spending, driving up deficits to record highs).
Second, the highest periods of economic growth were from the 1940s to the late 1960s, when we had FDR-style economic policies (Eisenhower didn’t change much), and the 90s under Clinton (and the first thing Clinton did after getting elected was dramatically raise taxes on the rich).
The millions of jobs that were lost because of the financial crisis that occurred under Bush II can’t be easily recovered. Most of them are gone for good. So I don’t think we can blame Obama for not magically recovering them all.
Anyway, if Obama had done what the conservative Republicans want — no stimulus, cut taxes on the rich and slash spending on the poor — we’d have an even worse recession or an even slower recovery. That said, I’m not a big Obama fan when it comes to economic policies — I don’t like a lot of things, like bailing out big banks and giving Wall Street insiders all the important policy positions.
You misunderstand — I wasn’t saying those European welfare states all have 8% unemployment. Many of them — like Germany, Norway, Netherlands, Switzerland and Austria — have unemployment rates between 3 and 6 percent. Not bad, given their aversion to Keynesian stimulus policies.
I don’t agree that there’s a consensus that US welfare state policies are unsustainable — that depends on our taxation system, which can be altered to produce additional revenue (whether that’s through sales taxes or income taxes or some other source.) A lot of the unsustainability talk is smoke and mirrors — social security, for example, is paid for from people’s paychecks, and is inherently sustainable, but the government raids the coffers for its convenience and then there ends up being a problem.
January 20, 2013 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm in reply to: A Modern Orthodox Critique of Uri L'Tzedek #921222yytzParticipantI didn’t realize R’ Akiva Tatz is a physician — thanks for the reference. I took a quick look at stats on waiting times for specialist appointments and surgery. Canada the UK had longer waiting times than the US (I assume this is for the lucky ones who have insurance!), but Germany and the Netherlands had the same or shorter waiting times. Like I said earlier, each country is different. Here, the VA used to be awful, and now it’s in great shape.
In terms of such things as life expectancy, Western European countries have higher life expectancy than the US regardless of how you measure it; they also have much lower infant mortality. The main cause for all these additional deaths in the US is the lack of universal health care here(although the presence of more intense poverty here is also an important cause by itself.)
It’s true that government policies encouraged banks to give mortgages that people couldn’t pay back. But that wouldn’t have caused a global financial meltdown if it weren’t for the fact that these mortgages were securitized (and then became a large proportion of the holdings of major banks). They wouldn’t have been securitized if it weren’t for financial deregulation.
The other countries you mentioned such as Ireland and Portugal aren’t really examples of the European social model — they have basically the lowest social spending in Europe. The Northwestern European countries have bigger welfare states that are much more sustainable, for various reasons (such as high employment rates to ensure the policies get paid for).
I don’t think it’s reasonable to blame the unemployment rate on Obama; the financial crisis started under Bush and then led directly to the loss of millions of jobs. Maybe Obama could have done more to keep those jobs from going away, but that’s not an easy thing to do. I don’t think a Republican administration would have done any better (actually, it could have been worse if there were no stimulus and they didn’t bail out GM).
yytzParticipantRe: acupuncture, you might try wearing “sea bands,” inexpensive little wristbands meant for pregnant women with morning sickness. They are designed to stimulate an acupressure point that helps with both stomach ache and anxiety/stress. These points really work — my wife used to have really bad morning sickness, and it would often go way after I would press a few spots!
I would be careful about the coffee, since it had acids in it that bother a lot of people (not necessarily right after you drink it). It might also interfere with your sleep, making it hard to get up in the morning.
If I were you, I would make sure to eat at least a little yogurt each day; it has probiotic components that can fight bacteria that cause or encourage gastritis. Hatzlacha!
yytzParticipantDo you drink coffee? It can both exacerbate stress and cause stomach upset in some people? Also, I recommend trying relaxation exercises in which you focus on completely relaxing one body part at a time, including your stomach. Finally, I recommend going to a reputable acupuncturist — it may not help with all conditions, but I know someone with stress and stomach issues who was helped a lot by it. Refuah shleimah!
yytzParticipantShmoel, I’m not so sure of that. I just checked, and many of the European countries with big welfare states — including Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland — have current unemployment rates that are either the same as the US (about 8%) or much lower. Among the major countries known for their European social model, only France seems to be significantly higher (10%).
yytzParticipantAbout whether the poor should vote, you may be surprised by this, but the taxation systems in the most “socialist” economies (such as Scandinavia) are actually pretty regressive. The poor pay tons of taxes there, because a large proportion of revenues are produced through sales and VAT taxes. Regardless, universal suffrage is here to stay. I don’t think any Torah critique of it (if such a thing really exists) would ever be convincing enough to do away with it and restrict voting rights; there’s probably a good counter-argument anyway.
I mean, when the Orthodox become the majority in Israel (which will happen sometime in the next few decades), do you really think they’d say, well, we’re going to implement halacha now, and only the well-off can vote? No way. Everybody should have a say in elections. It’s a settled question, at least until Moshiach arrives (and by then perhaps elections will be unnecessary because there won’t be any problems for governments to worry about.)
yytzParticipantBen Levi, regarding health insurance, the systems vary significantly by country, but in general, the data I’ve seen shows that citizens of countries with universal health care are much happier with their health care in practice than in countries like the US where we don’t have that. In fact, though, the US has universal “socialist” health care (the Veterans Administration, in which all the doctors and nurses and such are federal employees), and Canada-style single-payer insurance (Medicare) — they just don’t apply to everyone. Medicare, and especially the VA, get high marks for their quality of coverage and people seem pretty happy with them. So it depends on how it’s done.
I don’t think it’s the case that European welfare states are failing and dragging the world down with them (though austerity politics pushed by the Germans seems to be bad, it is unrelated to the general concept of a left-wing approach to social policy.) In the last few years the major western European economies aren’t doing any worse than the US. Greece is certainly a problem, but that had more to do with corruption and incompetence than the European model — for example, Greece has very low levels of social protection, among the lowest in Europe. Analysts have different views, but it seems that the main cause of the global financial crisis was US financial deregulation (a right wing policy in an economically right wing country), which allowed people to create absurdly confusing and overvalued securities based on mortgages and then fool most of the major banks into buying them all as if they were a stable investment.
January 19, 2013 11:56 pm at 11:56 pm in reply to: A Modern Orthodox Critique of Uri L'Tzedek #921214yytzParticipantDY: Good idea, but why don’t the Mods delete this thread as RebDoniel requested? I don’t understand on what basis they could decline his request. He said his original post was untrue and hurt people’s feelings. At least erase the original post, if for some reason the mods want to preserve the rest of this thread.
yytzParticipantWhether the liberal or conservative economic model is more consistent with Yiddishkeit is debatable.
Note that virtually all the rabbinical authorities in Israel (whether Sephardic, dati leumi, litvish or chassidish) support political parties that argue for more state support for the poor, not less. And Israel is already to the left of America when it comes to welfare and anti-poverty policies. The only people advocating for cutting anti-poverty policies are some secular MKs in Likud.
Re: the Rema, well the poor do pay taxes: income (if they don’t qualify for Earned Income Tax Credit), sales tax (if they buy anything other than food), and property (if they own a house — some do). They pay fewer taxes, but that’s authorized by the Tzitz Eliezer.
Ultimately, I think it comes down to which economic model works better, in whichever impact measures are most important to you. This is a (debatable) empirical question.
Personally, I think the most important thing is that your average person can work hard and get their family’s basic needs met without working such long hours that there is no time for family and Torah study (see Avos 2:2). Europeans work far fewer hours than Americans do on average, and they don’t have to struggle to ensure they have basic necessities like health insurance (which is a real pain here, if you have a job that doesn’t provide insurance and/or you don’t qualify for Medicaid or Medicare). So by that metric, the more left-leaning economic models work much better. Their policies also result in much lower rates of extreme poverty than the US, which is another important consideration (for me, at least).
yytzParticipantI don’t believe it’s true that progressive taxation to fund poor relief (what you’re calling Robin Hood policies) is forbidden. See these halachic sources (from an online course by Chabad shliach R’ Nochum Mangel):
In a place in which there is the custom or the desire to levy a
single tax for all needs together, the method of taxation
should be essentially according to wealth. For according to Torah law, all we collect for all these needs to be according to
wealth [not on a per capita basis]. (SHuT Tsits Eliezer, 22, p. 122)
and [to provide] wages for police and guardsmen. (Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat 163:1, 2)
each other to contribute. (Rema on Choshen Mishpat 163:1)
All the householders who pay taxes should be assembled and
all should resolve to say their opinion [i.e., state their opinion
and cast their vote for it] for the sake for heaven and then follow the majority. If the minority refuses, the majority has the
opinion is ignored and we follow the majority of those who
speak. (Rema, Choshen Mishpat 163:1)
The general principle is: Any law that a king decrees to be universally applicable, and not merely applying to one person, is
not considered robbery. But whenever he takes from one person alone in a manner that does not conform to a known law,
but rather seizes the property from the person arbitrarily, it is
January 10, 2013 4:14 am at 4:14 am in reply to: infertility issues/the blessing of children #918740yytzParticipantMazel tov, trim!
yytzParticipantGershomi, to answer your last question, if it is unclear whether a person’s gerus (or their mother’s gerus) was valid, then it is common for the person to undergo a gerus l’chumra to ensure the person is Jewish. It’s just like a normal conversion process (accepting the mitzvos, etc.), except that afterward, the question “are you a ger” is a little complicated. If the original conversion was valid, then you’re not a ger, but if it wasn’t, then you are. Either way, the person has undergone gerus, and that’s nothing to be ashamed of. In terms of whether you have the status of a levite if your father was a levite, I don’t know! But anyway, getting back to “hatafa,” since the person (well in this case a man) was already circumcised, the conversion involves hatafas dam bris instead of a regular circumcision.
It seems fairly common for people with non-Jewish mothers but Jewish fathers to convert halachically. Dov ben Avraham, the author of a recent book on chassidic perspectives on gerim (and author of the A Simple Jew blog), is a ger with a Jewish father. Some rabbis believe that people who are descended from Jews but aren’t Jewish (especially with a Jewish father) should actually be encouraged to convert, or at least accepted without the initial discouragement required of normal converts.
In any event, welcome to the CR, and hatzlacha with figuring out your status! May Hashem lead you on the right path. In the meantime, keep davening, fasting on Yom Kippur, etc. As far as you know so far, your mom’s gerus was valid. I wouldn’t worry about your prayers falling on “deaf ears” — I’m sure Hashem appreciates your efforts to get close to Him and do His will. If you have any doubts that Hashem desires the prayers of non-Jews as well as Jews, read through (or better yet, recite) the book of Tehillim (Psalms). King David is always calling on all people (even animals, trees, etc.) to praise Hashem.
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