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well done wolf
Derech
I didn’t say the shiur was a k’beiah. i said it was a k’zayis.
It is a hiddur to have before you at least one kneidel the size of a beiah because of Chashivus, but this is, of course, not the shiur.
see the Rachnachel, sif kuf zion bais, simmon gimmel.
As far as I know the reason for 2 kneidlach is not because of a concern for the shiur, but rather as a remez to the two omers of mann that were given on Shabbos (Yom Tov also?). At least that’s how I recall it.
I think I’ve said more than enough on this matter. You can go ahead and have the last word.
I just want to say something else:
Let’s not forget the Holy Tzidkanios who still exist, and G-d willing will soon increase, who dress only to please Hashem.
SJ I don’t agree.
As I said it’s about what impresses other women, but this is to a great extent about what will attract men, what will make men’s eyes turn.
As I said this is part of women’s nature, all women. To attract men. Among all fish, insects, mammals, birds, reptiles the attraction of one gender to the other is well known and integral. This is a mashul. This is tevah among man as well. This is quite pashut and quite well known in all cultures. It is a fact. A very clear fact. How exactly it is sublimated and hidden among people is another matter.
Yes women dress to win the admiration (and envy) of other women. But what is at the root of the mode of dress. It is to attract men.
And what exactly do you think the designers have in mind?
I don’t believe there are very many form hiding fashions coming out of Paris.
The kneidel should be minimally the size of a Talmudic egg (about twice the size of our average egg), but this is just a Hiddur.
In order to be yotzai you must of course consume a kzayis within 2-9 minutes depending on your shita.
The kazayis refers to an average density kneidel. If a Bubby who was born anywhere in Europe makes them, then due to their great hardness, a correspondingly lesser amount will suffice.
missme
I’ve often wondered the same thing.
SJ
Oh yes I certainly believe that.
But what is the manner that impresses other women?
Is it not to a large extent to be dressed in a way that will attract men more than the other women do?
I don’t mean this is a conscious plan, certainly not among the Holy women of Klal Yisroel. But it is an intrinsic nature in women implanted by HaKodesh Borchu.
Telshe Yeshiva and very many “ultra-orthodox” Battei Knisios do not say Korbanos as part of their Nusach
I speak to Hashem throughout the day in my own words.
The richest kind of Tefilah, especially for ladies
Rabbi Avigdor Miller, tz’l attended college as a youth for a short time. He called it a cesspool, and the seat of atheism, a lowly place worshiping immorality.
He did say that there might be limited circumstances for an occasional Yid that it might be acceptable to attend college, with certain caveats.
I have the sansa fuze
I use it every day
It costs about 50-60$
I am very happy with it.
Kasha, according to Rabbi Avigdor Miller, tz’l, there will be a time of intense hatred of Talmidei Chochomin in the days soon before Moshiach.
There always has been such a hatred-envy (ie Rabbi Akiva before he was 40) among the am-haaretzim, but Rabbi Miller states (he always has a source, I don’t know what it is) it will intensify and become open, near the End of Days.
It’s all right on schedule.
*sigh again* sorry for that
Yes wolf but in your example you had a considerable amount of knowledge you were basing your bet on. As I asked before what is your knowledge base of what the cultures you mentioned did or did not think about Matan Torah?
Don’t answer that, this discussion is over. Start another thread if you wish
Enough, back to the subject please. I am personally getting a headache.
If anyone wants to start a thread (I hope not) on the subject of trying to bring proofs to Matan Torah (It causes me great pain to even write that) go ahead.
I will be sure to not even look at any posts there. Another moderator can.
No they haven’t confirmed it as far as I know. Yes they probably never even knew Jews existed. That is why they are not even a consideration!!!!!!!!!!!
The third time:”Rabbi Miller’s statement was not that every person that ever existed anywhere in the world believed in Har Sinai. It was that no one ever denied it.”
The second time:”when throughout history, throughout the western world, in spite of the tremendous, pressing reasons to deny Har Sinai, by almost every culture (maybe not the zoarastrians) and they did not, yes it indicates acceptance, it indicates they viewed as a fact, not something to wonder about.
I’ve never liked this internet phrase, but I just can’t help myself:
*sigh*
No, silence doesn’t always mean acceptance. But when throughout history, throughout the western world, in spite of the tremendous, pressing reasons to deny Har Sinai, by almost every culture (maybe not the zoarastrians) and they did not, yes it indicates acceptance, it indicates they viewed as a fact, not something to wonder about.
And was he an expert in paganism? North American Indian Religions? Zoroasterism? Shinto? Incan Religion? Mayan religion? Ancient Greeks?
Paganism, NA Indians, Incans, Mayans, Ancient Greeks, Yes he was an expert. The other two, I don’t know.
What is this: “willing to bet”?
Based on what, a general feeling you have? What is your knowledge of their attitude towards Jews that leads you to bet on this. Are you even aware if these peoples were even familiar with the Jewish People or not? Can you cite anywhere a statement that they denied Har Sinai? or anything to indicate they ever heard of Har Sinai?
Rabbi Miller’s statement was not that every person that ever existed anywhere in the world believed in Har Sinai. It was that no one ever denied it. If you have any information to the contrary please post it. Otherwise I’m not going to take up any more time responding to silly comments (definitely ad hominem)
Rabbi Miller was very familiar with eastern religions and spoke about their beliefs and practices many times.
the ad hominem comment was directed at MY comment about your use of “willing to bet”
Baloney. I’m willing to bet that Hindus, Bhuddists, pagans, et al, throughout the years denied Har Sinai.
Again you are arguing with Rabbi Miller,tzl, who is the source, as you know for much of what I say. As you know in addition to being a true Godol, he was a recognized expert in Jewish History and published a few books on the subject.
But in any case I’m surprised at this style of argumentation coming from such a distinguished Debator: “I’m willing to bet”!
I hope that wasn’t an ad homineum (or whatever it is) attack.
In addition, one may also apen a door that causes the alarm light to go on if that light is not visible, i.e. you placed the light behind the sheetrock.
this could well be because the light is a cold led combined with other reasons and probably your Rav does not hold like the Chazon Ish. Would your Rav allow this if it was a 50 watt bulb? or if it ignited a flame?
For example, if you have refrigerator that has a light bulb, but you unscrew the lightbulb, or put in a dead lightbulb, then you may open it, even though you are “completing the circuit”.
You are NOT completing the circuit. If the filament of the bulb is not intact (functioning light bulb) or there is a space in the socket, the circuit is NOT being completed by opening the door.
Im nor arguing exactly since I dont know the halachah but you say it has to have no effect in addition to being not visible. Flicking a switch does build a circuit that wasn’t there before. It certainly DOES have an effect, just not the effect of turning on a light This idea of not seeing an effect also puzzles me.
So if I build something inside a hollow wall, say by using magnets to move metal parts that are behind the wall, to build a complete vessel, that is not a melacha?
SJ
The conversation is not about:”Is Torah Divine?”
The conversation is: “Can it be logically proven that the Torah is Divine”
Apikorsis, even as a devil’s advocate is not welcome.
Most of you have probably seen this, andit is not brought as any kind of proof, but interesting if you haven’t seen it
by Mark Twain:
“If the statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the
human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of star dust lost in the blaze
of the Milky Way.
Properly the Jew ought hardly be heard of; but he is heard of, has always
been heard of.
He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial
importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk.
His contributions to the world’s list of great names In literature, science,
art, music, finance, medicine, and obtuse learning are also way out of
proportion to the weakness of his numbers.
He has made a marvelous fight in this world in all the ages, and has done it
with his hands tied behind him.
He could be vain of himself and be excused for it.
The Egyptians, the Babylonians, and the Persians rose, filled the planet
with sound and splendor, and faded to dream stuff and passed away.
The Greeks and the Romans followed and made a vast noise and they are gone.
Other peoples have sprung up and held their torch high for a time. But it
burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished.
The Jew saw them all. Beat them all, and is now what he always was,
exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts,
no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind.
All things are mortal but the Jew. All other forces pass, but he remains.”
No group, no people, no institution, no religion, has ever (until the last few hundred years)denied Har Sinai. Even though the Jew has been the most hated of all peoples (you might want to think about why that was)and their religion the most hated of religions, no one could deny Har Sinai, even though they would have loved more than anything else to do so.
Why?
Because it was STAM HISTORY. It would be like trying to deny that Abraham Lincoln ever existed. It was plain and simple FACT.
To add a bit from the Kuzari:
1. In general fathers do not lie to their children *about important, especially positive events in their family history* (i added a lot the kuzari didnt say all that, just trying to deflect some objections to that statement.)
2. this is tricky, you have to think about it:
people will not believe that an event took place if it was an event such that it should have left a great deal of evidence, but it didnt
Let me give an example. you would not believe that a large meteor struck new york city 100 years ago, destroying most of it, then it was rebuilt. why? the event should have been well remembered by people living in that generation who told it to others, and their children, many stories about it , thus becoming history.
the Jewish People, perhaps the most cynical and stubborn peoples to have ever existed, would certainly never have swallowed the tale of Har Sinai at any point in their existence, had it not happened, because there would have been no evidence or history or remembrances of it had it not happened.
They would never have accepted:
Uh guys, well my father told me that Moses told hm that all of our fathers received this Torah a while back. Why haven’t you heard about it? I’ll explain that later.
Why should you accept it?
Well, even though you never heard of it before there is a lot of good things in it i’m sure you will like, and will gladly accept even though you are still a little skeptical.
Like what?
Well like 3 times a year you have to leave your fields, your property, your wives, your little children and travel up to Jerusalem. Dont worry Im sure our friendly neighbors won’t hear about this and if they did they wouldnt do anything.
Oh yes, and I have a huge list of all kinds of taxes you have to pay to the Kohanim, so they don’t have to work like you.
Lets see, oh yes you cant eat this and this and this, and every seven years you cant work your fields at all (not a portion but the entire field)
oh I almost forgot, not just the Kohanim. Theres a heavy welfare system for the poor also
And once a week you cant work, of course if you really want to you can, but then well have to kill you.
This is just the beginning folks, but dont worry, after you die youll get rewarded for all this
It is not merely a matter of politics. I have personal knowledge of the matter but do not wish to say more.
It is not vadei treif, but the hechsher is considered unreliable (thus a safek treif) by most people who wouldn’t eat it, not just because they want to hold themselves to a higher madreiga or they are machmirim. ALL those I know who would eat cholov stam wouldn’t touch hn. It falls into the same category as triangle K.
I can’t speak for you wolf or people you know. But this is the case for everyone I know who won’t eat it. Which is basically everyone I know who considers themselves to be shomrei Kashrus.
No one suggested telling people who eat hn that they are eating treif
Those that don’t eat it hold it IS treif(or rather it may be treif and therefore treat it as such), that’s why they don’t eat it. It’s got nothing to do with glatt.
What, a memory of all the failures in the testing thread?
That’s quite interesting
I agree, if it is correct. I just thought of it, I’ve never actually heard anyone say it.
It’s pretty complex, and I don’t understand it well, but I believe the issue you are referring to applies both to the shitah of the Chazon Ish and the other shitah as well. I believe the two issues are independent.
We can control DKA without insulin
1. How well and for how long?
2. How do you propose getting glucose into the cells without Insulin, a necessity to sustain life?
gavra
just to be a touch more precise:
I believe the following is true, I would like someone to confirm it.
The Chazon Ish holds completing a circuit is boneh. Not electricity itself.
The nafka minah I believe is that if no electricity is currently flowing into your house (say a local outage), it would still be assur to flick a switch on or off (al pi boneh, not just muktza).
Like I said before Insulin by itself isn’t necessary for life -it’s just easier to live with it
Ask your local endocrinologist who knows biochem 1001 what he thinks of this statement.
So I was using this as a proof that insulin isn’t actually needed to sustain life.
Either you understand my point or you don’t, but it IS logical.
In the same sense the heart is not needed to sustain life because someone could be put on a heart-lung machine. I suppose drinking and eating aren’t necessary. Heck even someones head isn’t necessary for life. Yes insulin is not necessary for life, for a little while I suppose.
Well said, philosopher
Seems to me it is the mother’s responsibility to teach them herself or if she does not feel comfortable or competent then to find someone who is, (maybe the Bubbie or, as someone said, the local Kallah class teacher)
I’m not following this but this post jumped out to me. Most of our medical knowledge is much shakier than physicians think. But if there are some things we know with as much certainty as possible, among them is that insulin is necessary for life. There is no question about this. Glucose cannot enter cells without insulin. Living without insulin would be like driving your car without putting any fuel into it.
The moderators are all volunteers and are online when they can be. Sometimes no moderator is available to approve posts.show them unconditional acceptance and love
As far as I know that is the best and possibly the only (in many cases) path to successThe way to italicize is with <em> before the text and </em> afterwell informed
i didn’t mean to disagree with you entirely
love and respect are certainly tightly related.
I really only meant to point out that it is not impossible for them to also be mutually exclusive.
The Yeshiva Neve Tzion in Telstone (near Yerushalayim) has a quite remarkable group of Rabbeim who work with kids way off the derech. I personally know 5 boys that went there and all became Erliche Yidden.
They make no secret of how they succeed: They truly love the boys. They constantly daven for them and weep for them. I know from personal experience of their deep love for these boys.
(the point I was originally planning to make here, I decided not to make. I think I’ll send the post anyway)
I agree blinky
Also all the Maggid books
Also biographies of the Gedolim
I dont think its possible to simultaneously love someone and not respect them.
If you truly love someone you respect them
This is certainly not true. Unless we have different definitions for “respect” or “love” Most mothers of serial killers and molesters still love their child. I’m sure at least some of them don’t respect them.
Also “Permission To Believe” by Rabbi Lawrence Kelleman
shimmel, actually Rabbi Miller, tzl, stated many times that the vast majority of the Jewish People in the years before the Holocaust were far removed from Yissishkeit, assimilated and assimilating, and the entire Jewish Nation was in danger of vanishing. The trends were very strong. He was there and an eyewitness.