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@Takes3tomakemangos I was under the impression that Good Old Games was GoG…
About equally reliable as Rabbi Wikipedia and slightly less reliable as Rabbi Mi Yodeya.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but having an easily accessible internet connected device on at all times is just a Really Bad Idea.
As soon as I can be guaranteed that I can live in Eretz Yisroel and not be forced into an incredibly polarized society I will do so. Right now with standard Yeshivish hashkofos, you’re either signing up for a lifetime of Kollel and poverty, or putting on a knitted kippa and joining the army.
The “better supervision” for a Blooms label on Hershey candy is a myth. All they do is pay for a run of the candy and make sure that the mashkiach’s process is one that they are comfortable with. Most of the time the mashkiach doesn’t even know that he’s watching for a heimishe hechsher instead of OU or OK.
@Joseph Just looked up the Nitei Gavriel after shacharis. You are correct (and you got about 95% of your comments and ma’arei mekomos from his extensive footnotes). He is very clear, though, that it’s almost exclusively a Chassidishe minhag and only in Chutz La’aretz. So there’s a good reason why most people today don’t hold of it.
Also, although he doesn’t say it outright, he seems to imply that there’s no known reason for the minhag, just a lot of possibilities brought down by various poskim, and it’s just מנהג ישראל תורה. That’s enough to not criticize Chassidim for not learning, but still a very shakey thing to have to rely on. So I guess that unless you’re from a Nusach Sefard family, don’t use a metal object to cut your beard and peyos, hold of exclusively Chassidishe shechita, and all the other Chassidishe chumros, there’s no real reason to be mevatel Torah on either night of Christmas.
I stand corrected.
However, I specified a living posek, as Nittle was a thing due to violence in Europe which is clearly not nogeya anymore. In that respect, it looks like the Nitei Gavriel is a bit of a da’as yachid. I’ve never heard of a Yeshiva shutting down for Christmas, so it’s up to you to bring up a ma’arei makom.
@Joseph Does he have it in writing as a psak halacha or did he just say it once in a private conversation?
He’s still outnumbered by the myriad of other poskim who hold that nittel nacht in this day and age is pure bittul Torah with no heter.
@Joseph Give me a posek alive today who states that it’s better to be mevatel than to learn on either nittel nacht.
@Eli51 is that in Iggros Moshe?
You are clearly talking to the wrong shadchanim and looking at the wrong girls. There are plenty of girls with hashkofos that aren’t inherently hypocritical like you are describing. Maybe check out people that live in the Hinterlands, AKA that foreign country some people refer to as Not New York Or New Jersey.
I trust them all unless I’m given a good reason not to. As far as I can tell, most mashkichim end up supervising under various different haskachos. Like how Blooms and Liebers slap a label on an OU bag of Twizzlers.
@Joseph What restrictions? Nittel is batul today because the reason of the minhag doesn’t exist anymore. Even according to those Rabbonim that slapped a semi-serious retroactive ta’am to it (killing the klipa, or whatever) it still doesn’t excuse bittul Torah. Second, unless you live in Russia or Egypt, where the Christians still hold of the Gregorian Calendar, there’s literally no reason to hold of nittel today. Yes Chabad, Breslov, and Satmar. I’m talking about you too.
@Freddyfish What do you mean “real studies”? What’s wrong with what I posted?
Lommerzuggen: think about it for a minute. Why should there be a nafka mina on how a person ingests the nicotine, whether it’s from vaping directly or second hand?
@FreddyFish (and Luther, who I assume is close by as always)
See the following:
- “Use of electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) impairs indoor air quality and increases FeNO levels of e-cigarette consumers” by Wolfgang Schober 2014 from the “International Journal of Hygiene and Environmental Health”
- “5 Truths You Need To Know About Vaping”, Dr. Michael Joseph Blaha, Johns Hopkins Medicine
- Analysis of Secondhand E-Cigarette Emissions, RTI International (RTI.org)
B’kitzure, there’s little difference in inhaling vapors directly or second hand. Both are dangerous.
@holybrother What are you on? There’s definitely second-hand smoke with ENDS. And no one cares that it’s safER. We are talking about whether or not it’s safe, period. You’re comparing heroin to fentanyl and stating that heroin is “better”. Since it took the government too long to catch on, a lot of people who would have otherwise never smoked a cigarette are now addicted to nicotine thanks to ENDS. It’s fine for smokers who want to quit, but on that note it’s no better or worse than a nicotine patch. But for the rest of the world it’s just as bad.
@Joseph The fact that no one was willing to do so implies that there is sacrifice involved, despite the major obvious gains. Then there’s the obvious, there’s no established community, no kashrus, relatives and friends can only be visited by flying in, etc. But all it needs is one big Rosh Yeshiva, one Rav Uren Reich, one Rav Yisroel Neumann, one Rav Nosson Stein, to move out there with ten kollel yungerleit to get things started.
@Freddyfish The most popular E-Cig/vape brands contain nicotine by default. You actually have to go out of your way to find nicotine-free juice. The FDA classifies them as “ENDS” or “Electronic Nicotine Delivery System”. Nicotine has been linked to cancer and addiction. But if you want to vape the nicotine-free systems, gezunteh heit, but it’s pretty much the same as breathing in the smell of boiling a soft drink and there’s no studies as to whether or not it’s actually safe.
Why is this a question on LA and not NYC?
To go off on a tangent, I understand why frum organizations and families are hesitant to move away from big population areas, but imagine what it can do for klal Yisroel! In Wyoming, farinstens, there are tons of state funded programs for everything under the sun, from private schools to extra tax breaks for multiple children. Property is ridiculously cheap, a large family home costs less than a one-bedroom apartment in Flatbush. And with remote jobs plus the low cost of living, it means that a young couple can actually (gasp!) save some money without reliance on their parents. The Kollel of Cheyenne should be a resounding success,but for some reason no Rosh Yeshiva wants to make the sacrifice.
Can we debate schnapps vs. beer instead?
It’s der tzelba zach. Nicotine is bad for you. Period.
Wait wait, @Freddyfish, was this Yid a Levi who wore a tallis before he got married? If he is who I think he is, I highly doubt he knows or cares.
Get back to finding your kelp seeds or investigating the haunted schoolhouse? I dunno.
@doomsday: You clearly have not read the links, or at least not understood them. Because if you have you wouldn’t keep making the same mistake over and over again confusing methylethyl mercury (Thimerisol) with ethylmercury (dangerous stuff that’s in old thermometers).
@doomsday is still yet to read this one webpage that addresses every single comment she made. “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” on vaxopedia.org.
The only people on here who celebrate Nittel Nacht are the Chabadskers who aren’t goires the Gregorian Calendar, so you’re 2.5 weeks early.
We are on Stage 3 of the @doomsday thought process right now, about to circle back. Observe as Rebbitzin Day proceeds to ignore everything she said previously (as it was debunked) and start off on a new topic for a few days to hope that everyone forgot how wrong she was.
@doomsday You have yet to respond to my MULTIPLE comments on your “100+ studies” thing. Namely, please address the article “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” on vaxopedia.org which shows how not one of those “100+ studies” show a link between vaccines and autism.@RebYidd23 Do things Ukrainian style: every decision is made by a no-holds barred cage match. Last man standing has his decision made law.
Actually, in the really old days people who worked with cows would contact a benign version of cowpox which was uncomfortable, but manageable. Unbeknownst to people, cowpox was similar enough to smallpox that they would be immune to it. So cow farmers and dairy maids had a much greater survival rate than most others during epidemics.
Folks, stop arguing with @doomsday about each study individually. The website vaxopedia.org has an article called “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” goes through each study in @doomsday’s list individually and shows how the study does not conclude that there’s a link between vaccines and autism. Mrs. Day knows this which is why she continues to argue without addressing the article.
@doomsday We’ve been through this already and the article I keep posting debunks every conclusion you draw from these studies. Did you read it, yes or no? If yes, please explain why you don’t like it. If no, then we are all wasting our time since that one website addresses every single thing you’ve said about these alleged “157 studies”.
@doomsday Yes or no? Did you or did you not read the article whose title I posted multiple times that debunks your “100+ studies” narischkeit?
Do you see what I did there in my last post? That’s you. That’s what you sound like. You call everyone liars (or LIARS!!!!!!) for saying that there’s no research papers showing a link between vaccines and autism, but the research papers you claim shows a link do nothing of the sort.
So too I call everyone a LIAR for disbelieving the green-cheese moon theory because of a random sampling of papers that have nothing to do with lunar cosmology.
There are 100+ studies that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the moon is made of green cheese. You claim that there are not such studies, but that’s a LIE brought to you by your friends paid from Big Farma and NASA. Here, I’ll show some of them to you:
- Gene–Brain Structure Relationships: Arbitrary Assumptions of Heterogeneity Generate Unfalsifiable Claims (JAMA 2007)
- Topology of three-jet events in pp collisions at √s=1.8 TeV (Physical Review 1992)
- A consistent co-rotational formulation for non-linear, three-dimensional, beam-elements (CMAME 2001)
So you see? All those who claim that there are no research papers showing that the moon is a solid chunk of moldy lactose are liars!
Folks, what did I tell you? Exactly as predicted! Ms. Day has once again IGNORED the webpage I posted time and again refuted that old lie about “100s of studies”. Allow me to be clear
There are no studies that conclude that there is a link between vaccines and autism
Just because you REFUSE to read the article I’ve posted dozens of times, does not mean you can keep reposting the same lies!
All @doomsday has to do is look on Google for an article called
About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link
To see that her allegation that there exist papers that support the idea that autism comes from vaccination is FALSE and an invention by a blogger.
But she won’t. Don’t know why, but I’ve repeatedly responded with this article whenever she brings up this lie and she has yet to actually look at the webpage.
Then there’s the thimerisol thing. A lot of the alleged studies and research talk about the effects of ethylmercury on developing children. Anti-vaxxers claim that’s proof that thimerisol is bad. Except that thimerisol isn’t ethylmercury. It’s a different compound called methylethylmercury.
I’ve mentioned this to the anti-vaxxers on this topic and none have responded yet. Most do the same thing of ignoring it, then coming back after a few days with the same claims as if I conveniently forgot that they were debunked.
Folks, @doomsday keeps claiming that there are “157 studies” linking autism to vaccination. She “knows” this because she found comment on another forum that claims it is so and links to a public text repository that lists those alleged 157 studies.
Problem is, that isn’t true. Sure someone claims that those studies show a link, but as we’ve demonstrated in numerous comments that not a single one of those studies shows a valid conclusion linking the two. In fact, I even found several websites that address the claim and go through each and every study showing how the conclusion is simply wrong.
@doomsday first said she “doesn’t have time” to read the website (but plenty of time to keep quoting old lies!) and the proceeded to do what she does best. Ignored the debunking for a few days, then posted the claim of “157 studies” again when she thought everyone forgot.A reminder: @doomsday claimed over and over again that there were 150 studies showing that vaccines cause autism. Several times it was pointed out to her that it’s not true, and I even showed a webpage that goes through them individually showing how the studies do not show a link. @doomsday was silent for a few days, then came back claiming the same thing pretending like it was never shtuched out to begin with.
Same thing with @2cents. @doomsday every few days mentions that there was never a retroactive study on un-vaccinated vs vaccinated people. @2cents would point out several examples. After a few threads bickering over the details (@doomsday has an insanely narrow definition of the exact study she will accept as evidence) again she was silent. Then two days later calls @2cents a liar and pretends she never heard of the study.
7) Completely unwilling or unable to be logical.
That’s because there is no clear answer. The original guidelines were very vague and only gave a number of hours per week of some vaguely defined instruction. The people working on the issue are first and foremost trying to get a straight answer from the State of NY as to what exactly will be required. The six hours per day is a worst-case-scenario interpretation of the laws. But even a meikal interpretation will still be far more secular instruction than Yeshivas can handle or even need.
Statement to the Chabadskers (both meshichist and not).
Whatever you want to say about HaGaon Harav Shach ZT”L, it is indisputable that he was the gaon HaTorah for Chareidim in his later years. Even Chassidim, who he disagreed with on a lot of stuff, held of him as a Gaon. Every living Rebbe showed up to his levaya. It’s only Lubavitch that attempts to undermine him and pretend he was just another misnaged because he was exceptionally critical of Chabad and Rav Schneerson ZT”L due to the meshichists. His greatness was part of the reason why Chabad continues to single him out. Many (actually most) Rabbonim held of and said the same things he did. You probably won’t find a Rav, Rosh Yeshiva, or Rebbe who disagrees with Rav Shach’s shittos on Chabad. But since none were as great as him during the late 80’s and 90’s it became Rav Shach’s voice that was used to illustrate the criticism against Chabad. Very convenient for Chabad, because they can pretend it’s only one guy and brush it under the table as an archaic misnaged thing.
puts on doomsday voice
Folks, here we see how anti-vaxxers like doomsday LIED about vaccines causing autism. Doomsday said several times that there were over 150 studies linking vaccines to autism. Wow, big evidence, yeah?
NO
That’s a lie and there aren’t anystudies. WHICH DOOMSDAY KNOWS because she read the website I posted which debunked that sheker!!!!!
A few things. We say that the Mesora and Torah left Eretz Yisroel and went to Bavel, so we pasken like the Bavli and not the Yerushalmi. There actually is a lack of meforshim, very few rishonim compared to Bavli. It’s far more difficult to understand, often the meforshim will argue as to whether a sentence is a kashe or teretz.
@WolfishMusings My first thought was to add some Vogon poetry. Good to see someone beat me to it.
@Joseph But then you won’t have bechira in Galus since you saw a neis nigla and you’ll never get schar for any mitzva that you do for the rest of your life!
Obviously this is Big Pharma pushing their agenda!
But to be serious, it’s been fun guys. Thanks for the pointless arguments and bitul zman. I’m honestly surprised this thread lasted this long.
There are over 150 Studies by Real Scientists that Vaccines are Linked to Autism
Show me them. You keep telling me to “Google it” but the only thing I can find that even remotely resembles what you’re claiming is some comment on a forum that links to a Scrib.com collection of random documents.
To remind you of where to do your research:
- “Vaccines and autism: A thorough review of the evidence” from the blog “The Logic of Science”
- “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” from the blog “Vaxopedia”
Unless you’ve read those links, you cannot in all honesty continue to peddle the claim that there exists studies showing a link.
Can we please please stop with the pretense? The only reason that the frum oilom supports Republicans over Democrats is because of gay marriage. Period. There isn’t a single other issue that they differ on that ever comes up in reid.
I don’t want to hear anything else about this unless this is acknowledged.
I’ve been vaccinated.
My spouse has been vaccinated.
All my children have been vaccinated.
About a billion other people have been vaccinated.
Research shows that the adverse affects are far rarer than adverse affects of the diseases they prevent.
There you have it. Vaccines are a far better option.
The previous Lubavitcher Rebbe ZT”L and Rav Hutner ZT”L took classes together in gymnasium while they learnt by Rav Ezriel Hildesheimer ZT”L.
First off, which Satmar is this? These days it’s confusing. Chassidim and Agudah regularly join forces because the big chassiduses have massive voting blocs and huge clout with the state.
But that changes nothing!
אלו אלו the Chassidisheh Yeshivos would have had Limudei Chol (like every other Yeshiva in NY, from giants like Darchei, TV, and Chaim Berlin, to the tiniest little mosod in some basement in Monsey) to begin with, this wouldn’t have started and דיינו. If אלו אלו they wouldn’t have barred the doors from inspectors, דיינו and everyone would have been happy. אלו אלו they appeased the inspectors with some basic fluff when they came around, דיינו and this wouldn’t have continued. אלו אלו they agreed to a compromise and given some basic classes, דיינו.
But no. For these Yeshivos don’t believe that they are in Galus. They think they can run things their way and ignore the goyim. That rules are for suckers and Litvaks. So they pushed and pushed and refused to compromise and demanded all then the entire frum velt has to clean up their mess and pretend to react in shock when it becomes abundantly clear how right the Chachomim were that תפסת מרובה לא תפסת .